Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

I hope he makes the bike lift a signature celebration. Piss of the haters like Roger even more. 😂

 

[Peyroteo94]

In my opinion, easily. "Look at how far ahead of the others I am... Let's make a pose that is more likely to get on the front page of the papers than a simpler acknowledgement of victory... I'll do something pre-planned and self-promoting rather than what is related to relief and emotion at the time... "

If your opinion is different, that's fine, you're welcome to it.

I understand what you say and you are free to have a different opinion but don't you think RdV is just criticizing every single thing just to show "my era was way better than yours" rather than actually being upset for cocky celebrations?

 

[YavorD]

I understand what you say and you are free to have a different opinion but don't you think RdV is just criticizing every single thing just to show "my era was way better than yours" rather than actually being upset for cocky celebrations?

I didn't read all mny interviews of him but most of the things I read don't have any praise but "we were better", "he wouldn't beat us in our era" and "his opponents were trash" kind of things which shows bitterness or simple hate rather than constructive opinion.
And holds as much base as Pog or Remco saying "Merckx (and RdV for that matter) won so much only because 6 countries were competing and in RdV's case monuments were just glorified friendlies or straight up belgian national championships".
If the say that, however, they would be crucified for how arrogant they are, how disrespectful young riders are and how unacceptable their behaviour is
However, when RdV demotes today's riders it's okay because "it's his opinion".

 

[yaf]

De vlaemnks era.. what an era 👏 i am pretty sure half the peleton didn't know interval trainings & just showed up in Rvv waking up with a hungover lol

 

[Salvarani]

De vlaemnks era.. what an era 👏 i am pretty sure half the peleton didn't know interval trainings & just showed up in Rvv waking up with a hungover lol

That is truly the hahahaha era of cycling lmfao

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I understand what you say and you are free to have a different opinion but don't you think RdV is just criticizing every single thing just to show "my era was way better than yours" rather than actually being upset for cocky celebrations?

I haven't read his comments, so have no opinion on whether he is saying that. I was simply responding to the post stating that not liking the raising the bike celebration shows emotional damage, and subsequent ones about people crying, being upset or taking offence, with no supporting evidence.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Someone who is constantly bashing this generation to be somewhat relevant shouldn't get so much attention, right?

And yet here are a bunch of you paying a great deal of attention to him...

 

[Salvarani]

Apparently you cant discuss anything more on a forum, good to know.

Especially not criticize someones comments from an article about the rider, whose thread we are in. Where are we supposed to do that instead? In the messages?

And the burden of proof should surely lie on Roger. Other than to criticize a celebration from a rider and then making a claim that your era was better. How does that make sense? How does those things go together?

Then making snidy remarks against other posters is also ok. Nice.

 

[Salvarani]

I understand what you say and you are free to have a different opinion but don't you think RdV is just criticizing every single thing just to show "my era was way better than yours" rather than actually being upset for cocky celebrations?

It is definitely what he is doing. Roger should be called out for it as he has from some of us. It just disingenuous from him and anyone who tries to mask it as something else.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Compare and contrast:

Assumptions and own interpretations of what someone is doing is never right.

It is definitely what he is doing. Roger should be called out for it as he has from some of us. It just disingenuous from him and anyone who tries to mask it as something else.

 

[Salvarani]

Compare and contrast:

There is a difference between making up your own scenario or story as you did about the celebration. What it means and that is what Pog, or someone who does, intentions is with it. You have no idea about that and is just saying things to portray someone badly.

Im rather questioning how a celebration is not classy and why that makes your era better, as others have done. Why dont you find evidence for that? Or find evidence that Pogs intention with his celebration is what you said it could mean. Since everybody else must provide evidence for you.

I am going by what he actually said here, not making my own interpretation and assumptions about it. He actually said that. I am not making it up and putting that on him or words in his mouth.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Apparently you cant discuss anything more on a forum, good to know.

Especially not criticize someones comments from an article about the rider, whose thread we are in. Where are we supposed to do that instead? In the messages?

And the burden of proof should surely lie on Roger. Other than to criticize a celebration from a rider and then making a claim that your era was better. How does that make sense? How does those things go together?

Then making snidy remarks against other posters is also ok. Nice.

Having a discussion is precisely what we have been doing. However, a discussion is more successful when those who have made contentious comments are willing to defend them.

 

[Salvarani]

Having a discussion is precisely what we have been doing. However, a discussion is more successful when those who have made contentious comments are willing to defend them.

This you? Good discussion.

And yet here are a bunch of you paying a great deal of attention to him...

 

[Salvarani]

I will be waiting for the evidence that Pogs intentions was that for the celebration and Rog era was better than this one because of it.

 

[James M]

If he mad over someone celebrating lifting a bike winning a monument - Its emotional damage nothing else.
Theres not a discussion or debate it is what it is move on, holymoly

 

[Salvarani]

If he mad over someone celebrating lifting a bike winning a monument - Its emotional damage nothing else.
Theres not discussion or debate it is what it is. Move on

Yup.

Roger should probably stop giving interviews.

 

[James M]

Yup.

Roger should probably stop giving interviews.

And start popping more meds, he has had a rough year I think.

 

[YavorD]

If he mad over someone celebrating lifting a bike winning a monument - Its emotional damage nothing else.
Theres not a discussion or debate it is what it is move on, holymoly

If his position is consistent over evey rider doing that that's an opinion and it has nothing in common with emotional damage. Everyone's entitled to an opinion whether a celebration is okay or not okay and if he generally disapproves this kind of celebration, that's okay and there's nothing wrong with it.

 

[Salvarani]

If his position is consistent over evey rider doing that that's an opinion and it has nothing in common with emotional damage. Everyone's entitled to an opinion whether a celebration is okay or not okay and if he generally disapproves this kind of celebration, that's okay and there's nothing wrong with it.

Why use it is a point to then say your era was better. How do they go together?

 

[James M]

If his position is consistent over evey rider doing that that's an opinion and it has nothing in common with emotional damage. Everyone's entitled to an opinion whether a celebration is okay or not okay and if he generally disapproves this kind of celebration, that's okay and there's nothing wrong with it.

Fair enough IF it applies to everyone but still if that was the case I would still personally deem to get mad over something as minor as that to be emotional damage regardless who and ofc everyone entitled to their opinion and this is mine.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

If he mad over someone celebrating lifting a bike winning a monument - Its emotional damage nothing else.
Theres not a discussion or debate it is what it is move on, holymoly

Sorry: saying that it is 'emotional damage' is not establishing that it is the case.

And once again, who said he is mad over it? He said it is not something that he likes.

 

[YavorD]

Why use it is a point to then say your era was better. How do they go together?

I didn't see such a thing. Criticizing riders lifting their bikes was a completely different point. He just shows his disliking over that. And that's okay.

Him slamming Pogacar's competition is only fair if he acknowledged that during his wins half of Europe was behind the Iron Curtain so his wins should be perhaps asterisked as well.

 

[Salvarani]

Fair enough IF it applies to everyone but still if that was the case I would still personally deem to get mad over something as minor as that to be emotional damage regardless who and ofc everyone entitled to their opinion and this is mine.

I agree with you.

Saying in one breath you dislike his celebration and then in the next one that your era was better.... would point towards your claim.

If he wants to claim his era was better. He would have to provide more evidence to support it.

 

[James M]

Sorry: saying that it is 'emotional damage' is not establishing that it is the case.

And once again, who said he is mad over it? He said it is not something that he likes.

Its ok to favor one rider over the other but he is angry with pog even for holding up his bike over the finish line in strade and lombardy i mean wt*😳

Check what i replied to, I was replying to that. Im checking out of this one its absolutely hilarious.

For me getting upset or mad (IF thats the case over something as minor as that regardless who it is) is the definition of emotional damage. And its perfectly fine if someone think something else.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

For me getting upset or mad (IF thats the case over something as minor as that regardless who it is) is the definition of emotional damage. And it perfectly fine if someone think something else.

And despite being repeatedly asked to do so, you have provided no evidence that he was upset or mad. Because there isn't any: he merely said that he didn't like it.

So the premise upon which you made your assessment is entirely unfounded.