Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Libertine Seguros]

*Of marginal gains of course, Norwegians have stone grinding so don't need to dope.

I nearly did a spit take at that one! Awesome!

It then made me think, maybe that's why Löfkvist hasn't progressed much at Sky either - notorious Swedish bike prep.

 

[martinvickers]

Brilliant you are hoggie

Has to be admitted; he may be full of cr^p, but Hoggie is without question a genius of his craft. Chapeau!

 

[Alpechraxler]

SKY is so advanced: Their riders wounds even heal faster

http://www.systagenix.co.uk/our-products-overview

 

[DirtyWorks]

How? What about UKAD?

What about them? They are, at best, an organization that tests samples and catch the dumbest domestic athletes, with the sports federation's permission. UKAD has no authority to open cases, no authority to select athletes, no authority to select the tests to run. It's all up to the sports federation or/and the event promoter. That's how the system works. I know WADA and the domestic agencies sound pretty awesome and complicated, but the system is a farce.

Still, it's important to remember that UKAD does not directly handle British pro cyclists. Very generally speaking, the UCI alone does the athlete selection, test selection, routing of samples and never opens cases unless the rider is somehow unpopular at the UCI. In the unlikely instance a new case is opened, UKAD is eventually involved not before BC would have a chance to make it all go away.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Impressive racing, but Wiggins is clearly on dope because he can't descend and doesn't attack and yet here we see him attacking on a descent.

Must be some sort of genetic doping going on in Teide which made Brad grow a pair while he was away.

And you can never improve as a descender without juice.

 

[thehog]

warm up's and warm down. Novel Idea. I never thought to put that into my program. Must remember that for tomorrows run.

I bet during the Holidays if you phone up Wiggan he is on recon training up AlpeD. or Mt.V . Then while on the phone he will hit a cool down.

Apparently only 10% warm down.

Some riders get on the bus after a ride.

They may do other methods or warming down like stretching or massage but you have to warm down in front of journalists for it to be effective.

If you're a dom and your job is done 10km from the line. Then the last 10km doesn't count as a warm down. Ever.

I still think they're clean.

Not until I see anything that looks like doping then they're clean.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Has to be admitted; he may be full of cr^p, but Hoggie is without question a genius of his craft. Chapeau!

Thought you had him on ignore?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Must be some sort of genetic doping going on in Teide which made Brad grow a pair while he was away.

And you can never improve as a descender without juice.

Juice meaning anti-anxiety drugs? Absolutely. And yes, riders have taken anti-anxiety medication expressly for this purpose.

Anecdotally, it's suggested that the doping has a mental cost, just another reason to take the Xanax.

To be fair, coming up with real or imagined doping methods must drive some crazy because it looks like a perpetual conspiracy party. Unfortunately, the anti-anxiety thing is real.

 

[Netserk]

Thought you had him on ignore?

thehog is the voice that cannot be ignored!

 

[BroDeal]

Thought you had him on ignore?

He claims he has all sort of people on ignore. The funniest case was him responding to a post of mine, "I cannot read what your saying because I put you on ignore." Hilarious, like a four-year-old putting his hands over his ears and shouting, "I can't hear you! I can't hear you! I can't hear you!"

 

[BroDeal]

Apparently only 10% warm down.

Some riders get on the bus after a ride.

They may do other methods or warming down like stretching or massage but you have to warm down in front of journalists for it to be effective.

If you're a dom and your job is done 10km from the line. Then the last 10km doesn't count as a warm down. Ever.

I still think they're clean.

Not until I see anything that looks like doping then they're clean.

I think you are seriously downplaying the role mood lighting has had in The Sky Miracle. If only Nibali would have spent a little time under a "raging rouge" bulb, or maybe "serious scarlet," before critical stages at the lasy year's Tour. Those are good for an extra forty Watts, I hear.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Juice meaning anti-anxiety drugs? Absolutely. And yes, riders have taken anti-anxiety medication expressly for this purpose.

Anecdotally, it's suggested that the doping has a mental cost, just another reason to take the Xanax.

To be fair, coming up with real or imagined doping methods must drive some crazy because it looks like a perpetual conspiracy party. Unfortunately, the anti-anxiety thing is real.

Oh man I hadn't thought of that!

That said most anti-anxiety impair reaction times don't they? Would seem a little chancey.

Unless they add a cocktail of uppers to counter-act it.

Although they can be hallucinogenic.

No wonder I wish I was a pro-rider, sounds fun

But honestly I can't imagine anything calming being advantageous in any way. Booze would be the best option, honestly: dutch courage and, given the way I play pool after about 3 pints, better awareness at low doses.

Nothing scientific there, just anecdotal

 

[DirtyWorks]

Oh man I hadn't thought of that!

That said most anti-anxiety impair reaction times don't they? Would seem a little chancey.

Unless they add a cocktail of uppers to counter-act it.

We're not talking about that much psychiatric doping to get to the extremes you are describing. These are high-functioning people for the most part, so they don't need much at all to get the anxiety lowered and aggression up. As always, it's about finding the one that works best.

 

[the sceptic]

Did Sky test positive? No so obviously they don't dope.

Hundreds, maybe even thousands of tests and none positive, don't be stupid, no dope here.

Sky has proven that doping no longer works. Its much easier to improve your power in other ways, so why would they dope?

I expect the Garmin train to dominate the mountains in the tour this year, because surely Vaughters must have told his riders to warm up/down by now.

And i guess the old school dopers like sir Bjarne and Astana will be left behind again, since they are too stubborn and proud to realize that what it takes to win in this day and age is not doping.

 

[blackcat]

I agree. It's just impossible to connect BC protecting Sky right now. Like USA Cycling and the multiple doped riders they protect, if it happened, then it will come out.

I just mentioned it as a reminder that BC's role as both anti-doping enforcer and team stakeholder is hopelessly compromised.

anti dopin enforcer

ten days bans

rob hayles

de
hydration.

is not hayles part of the coaching set-up now for the BC track clique?

 

[martinvickers]

Thought you had him on ignore?

I do, but I read him quoted, and thought to myself, ah good ol' hoggie, mad as a box of frogs...its good to have something to rely on in life...

 

[martinvickers]

Sky has proven that doping no longer works. Its much easier to improve your power in other ways, so why would they dope?

I expect the Garmin train to dominate the mountains in the tour this year, because surely Vaughters must have told his riders to warm up/down by now.

And i guess the old school dopers like sir Bjarne and Astana will be left behind again, since they are too stubborn and proud to realize that what it takes to win in this day and age is not doping.

Good effort.

Not the same panache as Hog, though...

 

[blackcat]

I think you are seriously downplaying the role mood lighting has had in The Sky Miracle. If only Nibali would have spent a little time under a "raging rouge" bulb, or maybe "serious scarlet," before critical stages at the lasy year's Tour. Those are good for an extra forty Watts, I hear.

mood lighting

more genius from brailsford

not only into performance but also CO2 emissions.

thats commonly known as the WIN-WIN refrain.

 

[blackcat]

We're not talking about that much psychiatric doping to get to the extremes you are describing. These are high-functioning people for the most part, so they don't need much at all to get the anxiety lowered and aggression up. As always, it's about finding the one that works best.

threats to cut your head off if you step on his dog

 

[blackcat]

Sky are on their bikes 10 hours* a day, busting it.
What are you on?

Sky
P
I
G
S
can fly
Portugal
Italy
Spain
Greece
all dopers

 

[Catwhoorg]

What about them? They are, at best, an organization that tests samples and catch the dumbest domestic athletes, with the sports federation's permission. UKAD has no authority to open cases, no authority to select athletes, no authority to select the tests to run. It's all up to the sports federation or/and the event promoter. That's how the system works. I know WADA and the domestic agencies sound pretty awesome and complicated, but the system is a farce.

Still, it's important to remember that UKAD does not directly handle British pro cyclists. Very generally speaking, the UCI alone does the athlete selection, test selection, routing of samples and never opens cases unless the rider is somehow unpopular at the UCI. In the unlikely instance a new case is opened, UKAD is eventually involved not before BC would have a chance to make it all go away.

UKAD seems to think they have the ability to

http://www.ukad.org.uk/what-we-do/results-management

"UK Anti-Doping can sanction athletes found to have committed an ADRV, a process that athletes can either accept or challenge through an established legal process."

Indeed the one current current Cycling realted ban was initiated by them

(Marcel Six)
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6193

 

[blackcat]

JV wrote a thess on Sky in his thread. You should read it.

He makes good points.

He is worried about Sky but at the moment he states they're (probably) clean.

probably is the worrying qualifier

 

[Netserk]

Sky
P
I
G
S
can fly
Portugal
Italy
Spain
Greece
all dopers

But can PISG?

 

[MatParker117]

anti dopin enforcer

ten days bans

rob hayles

de
hydration.

is not hayles part of the coaching set-up now for the BC track clique?

No He's Cav's PA.

 

[thehog]

probably is the worrying qualifier

Yeah probably is good enough.

Probably not doping.

Enough room there to get out of it when the Dawg gets busted.

Probably just working harder. Probably just warming down.

Probably.