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Valv.Piti said:
I got it from CyclingQuotes, obviously hoping its Betancur!
It's Soler, if the team announced Soler, there is no doubt about that.

My guess is that Betancur was on the provisional line-up sent by Movistar to the organizers and then they replaced him with Soler.
 
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Escarabajo said:
Well, wasn't that what some people were asking for? some early races in warm climate to force him early to get in fitness.

Let's see how it works. I don't think is a bad idea.
I've been particularly vocal regarding Betancur and the TDU. He needs to race into form and the TDU suits him. Disappointed to see Betancur named then scratched, I hope that he's not going to have a season like last year :cry:
 
So Quintana is doing the double and will race Valencia, Abu Dhabi and T-A. No mentions of Catalunya and Pais Vasco which is kinda boring, but I guess pretty wise. That leaves a lot of room for Valverde to pick and choose between those races that Quintana usually rides as the captain, but since its very unlikely he'll do P-N, Catalunya and Pais Vasco (hopefully he'll do 2 of them) that also leaves some space for Ruben Fernandez, Gorka Izagirre, Moreno, Castro, Soler, Jesus Herrada or whoever is up for the task. Heck, maybe even Betancur? That obviously also leaves Valverde as the leader for the Vuelta a España this year which Im very thrilled about since its a route very reminiscent of the one he won in 2009, albeit harder. He will have a very hard time against Froome, but....

Good news IMO.
 
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I like this news too. Giro will be spectacular, Tour... well Tour is a Tour, and Vuelta with Valverde (maybe last time as a leader), Froome and hopefully Contador will be total carnage! Quintana maybe decreased his chances at the Tour, but on the other hand we saw last year there's no guarantees there. He based whole season around it, yet he was mediocre there. And he find the best form at La Vuelta, his 2nd GT of the year. He maybe hopes for similar scenario :p
 
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Mr.White said:
I like this news too. Giro will be spectacular, Tour... well Tour is a Tour, and Vuelta with Valverde (maybe last time as a leader), Froome and hopefully Contador will be total carnage! Quintana maybe decreased his chances at the Tour, but on the other hand we saw last year there's no guarantees there. He based whole season around it, yet he was mediocre there. And he find the best form at La Vuelta, his 2nd GT of the year. He maybe hopes for similar scenario :p
Yes, but the only problem being Quintana can't win the Giro with Tour 2016-form and can't win the Tour with Vuelta 2016-form. So there's that. :D

Its intriguing nonetheless.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Mr.White said:
I like this news too. Giro will be spectacular, Tour... well Tour is a Tour, and Vuelta with Valverde (maybe last time as a leader), Froome and hopefully Contador will be total carnage! Quintana maybe decreased his chances at the Tour, but on the other hand we saw last year there's no guarantees there. He based whole season around it, yet he was mediocre there. And he find the best form at La Vuelta, his 2nd GT of the year. He maybe hopes for similar scenario :p
Yes, but the only problem being Quintana can't win the Giro with Tour 2016-form and can't win the Tour with Vuelta 2016-form. So there's that. :D

Its intriguing nonetheless.
Indeed. Valverde at Paris-Nice would be nice too, it's been a while...
 
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Mr.White said:
Valv.Piti said:
Mr.White said:
I like this news too. Giro will be spectacular, Tour... well Tour is a Tour, and Vuelta with Valverde (maybe last time as a leader), Froome and hopefully Contador will be total carnage! Quintana maybe decreased his chances at the Tour, but on the other hand we saw last year there's no guarantees there. He based whole season around it, yet he was mediocre there. And he find the best form at La Vuelta, his 2nd GT of the year. He maybe hopes for similar scenario :p
Yes, but the only problem being Quintana can't win the Giro with Tour 2016-form and can't win the Tour with Vuelta 2016-form. So there's that. :D

Its intriguing nonetheless.
Indeed. Valverde at Paris-Nice would be nice too, it's been a while...
Schedule of Valverde

Challenge de Mallorca
Vuelta a Murcia
Clásica de Almería
Vuelta a Andalucía
París-Niza
Volta a Catalunya o la Vuelta al País Vasco (sí non ce sera G.P. Miguel Indurain)
Amstel Gold Race
Flecha Valona
Lieja-Bastoña-Lieja
Tour de Francia
Vuelta a España

http://movistarteam.com/noticias/2017-1-19/nairo-quintana-correra-giro-y-tour
 
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Valv.Piti said:
So Quintana is doing the double and will race Valencia, Abu Dhabi and T-A. No mentions of Catalunya and Pais Vasco which is kinda boring, but I guess pretty wise. That leaves a lot of room for Valverde to pick and choose between those races that Quintana usually rides as the captain, but since its very unlikely he'll do P-N, Catalunya and Pais Vasco (hopefully he'll do 2 of them) that also leaves some space for Ruben Fernandez, Gorka Izagirre, Moreno, Castro, Soler, Jesus Herrada or whoever is up for the task. Heck, maybe even Betancur? That obviously also leaves Valverde as the leader for the Vuelta a España this year which Im very thrilled about since its a route very reminiscent of the one he won in 2009, albeit harder. He will have a very hard time against Froome, but....

Good news IMO.
Gorka and Castro are allround and therefore precious helpers. It's up to the youngsters indeed to make the next step as third leader. Ruben Fernandez is the main candidate to lead some WT races, Soler can do it as well, i have my doubts on Jesus Herrada who seems limited in the high mountains, he is more a coureur for races like the Canadian classics.
 
As expected. for Valverde, I very much agree on that schedule. Catalunya/Pais Vasco is still up in the air and doesn't really matter that much - I think Pais Vasco suits him better as a rider, but I think he will have bigger chances of winning in Catalunya considering he has to go up against the Pais Vasco specialists Henao and Contador. Then again, he wasn't won Pais Vasco yet. Lets see. That means Ruben Fernandez most likely will lead one of those - I could see him with a breakthrough performance on the short climbs in Bays Basque! Also, I love Andalucía, 5th win in the making.

Moviestar: You are right, but look at Izagirre in Down Under. Those 2 riders, Castro and Izagirre, are in their primes and you could definitely see them lead/co-lead races such as Romandie and Dauphine/Suisse depending on what Valv rides. Romandie-spot is open for sure. Herrada will never be able to climb really well and I do really see him much more as a classics specialist/stage hunter. I hope he is able to do well in the Ardennes. Soler, I think, is still too young to lead WT-stage races, at least the 'bigger' ones.

All in all it shapes up to be a very interesting season. Much depends on Quintana's attempt on the double, but also very much if Valverde will begin to feel he is getting a bit old.
 
Giro: Quintana, Amador, Malori, Rojas, Gorka Izagirre.... Sutterlin, Anacona, Dayer, Soler, Betancur, De La Parte, Jose Herrada?

TdF: Quintana, Valverde, Fernandez, Moreno, Castro, Jesus Herrada, Erviti, Oliveira, Bennati.

The best I can come up with. The TdF team should look like something like this, but the Giro is wide open IMO.
 
Moviestar said:
Sutherland will have the same schedule as last season, Giro + Vuelta. A good thing, always a solid equipier.

http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/227540/wielerploegen-2017-movistar.html
Totally froze him out. Yes, he is one of the best and most respected domestiques out there. I'd bet he was the one who spent the most time in front of the peloton in GTs last year. Rory is a sure bet and Im actually surprised how well he climbs as well!
 
Nairo Quintana seems like a nice quy and he can realy realy climb but he must be one of the most boring riders in the peloton.....there he just riding along ...

But fair play to him for trying the double...He needs to win the Giro imo....as can't see him wining the Tour....not with those parcours

Gota say so far the Giro is full of prospects ....Landa , Quintana, SK, Mollema and Pinot on the long climbs ..Chaves , maybe a Yates twin ...and then there is Nibali and Aru ...if in form they could be one of the winners
TJ, G, and Rolland .....there are so many combinations
 
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HelloDolly said:
Nairo Quintana seems like a nice quy and he can realy realy climb but he must be one of the most boring riders in the peloton.....there he just riding along ...

But fair play to him for trying the double...He needs to win the Giro imo....as can't see him wining the Tour....not with those parcours

Gota say so far the Giro is full of prospects ....Landa , Quintana, SK, Mollema and Pinot on the long climbs ..Chaves , maybe a Yates twin ...and then there is Nibali and Aru ...if in form they could be one of the winners
TJ, G, and Rolland .....there are so many combinations
are you joking, right?
 
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Guybrush said:
HelloDolly said:
Nairo Quintana seems like a nice quy and he can realy realy climb but he must be one of the most boring riders in the peloton.....there he just riding along ...

But fair play to him for trying the double...He needs to win the Giro imo....as can't see him wining the Tour....not with those parcours

Gota say so far the Giro is full of prospects ....Landa , Quintana, SK, Mollema and Pinot on the long climbs ..Chaves , maybe a Yates twin ...and then there is Nibali and Aru ...if in form they could be one of the winners
TJ, G, and Rolland .....there are so many combinations
are you joking, right?
People are still livid with his Tour performances apparently, thus they aren't seeing things objectively. Just my two cents. However, that'd be weird to me, because in 2015 he did attack and in last years edition it was quite evident he wasn't himself and was racing at his limits in every single mountain stage. He ain't no man for all-or-nothing like Conador. Not yet, at least.

Is he a boring personality? Probably. I don't know him, but his interviews don't speak ''animado'' to me. Is he a boring rider? Far from. If you look at every single race he did last year, in which he caused havoc in a lot of them, I'd say he's one of the most active ones.
 
He basically did the only thing possible in Catalunya, there was only 1 stage for him to win the race and he did just that. It wasn't super aggressive or what have you, but it was superb tactically how he managed Contador.

In Pais Vasco he was relatively bad compared to AC and lost. Not much he could have done to alter the result when he wasn't ready to sacrifice himself and/or his season like he did into Morzine in 2012 or in Pais Vasco in 2013. Besides, he was on the limit every time it got serious, especially the stage to Arrate.

In Romandie he just was the best and didn't need to attack more than just one time which, to his defence, he started himself. Not much point in attacking when you are comfortably in the lead and wanna bring your teammate on the podium, no?
 
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I love all these comments about Quintana. The unsaid thing is how people expect him to be somehow better. He has shown he is the 2nd best rider (Froome is #1, no question) but shown a more complete resume. Only a young Contador had something similar and that's a compliment. We all expect nothing but a win at the Tour as a good season for him. Why? because he has NEVER FINISHED LOWER THAN 3rd at the TOUR.

at 22: 1st overall Vuelta a Murcia, 1st overall Route de Sud, 1st at Giro Dell'Emilia
at 23: 1st overall at Pais Vasco (Basque Country), 1st overall at Burgos, 2nd overall at Tour
at 24: 1st overall at Giro, 1st overall at Burgos, 1st overall at San Luis.
at 25: 1st overall at Tirreno-Adriatico, 2nd overall at Tour de France, 4th overall at Vuelta
at 26: 1st overall at Vuelta, 1st overall at Catalunya, 1st overall Romandie, 1st overall at Route du Sud, 3rd overall at Tour.

He has attempted 3 Tour de France. Came in 2nd, 2nd, 3rd. Not counting his mountain or young rider jerseys in any race, mind you.
The comments that he was sick, or not his best, or didn't try, etc...still podiumed. He was weak. Still podiumed. Think about that.
He was sick at the Giro, still won it. He was sick at the Vuelta in 2014. Still was leading it until the crash. And then the 2nd crash took him out. Mountains hadn't even started then... Hate all you want, accept that he has a higher standard than you realize. Only 4 riders in that level. Froome (anything less than 1st is bad). Contador (he is at the tail end of career, no expectations). Nibali (Also needs to win to have a good season). Any other rider. ANY OTHER RIDER that finishes 3rd at the Tour is considered a career event. Think about that.
 

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