Terms for Romani people,nomads, travellers discussion thread.

[Descender]

The problem with the Roma is that the core foundation of their culture is stealing from others and taking advantage of them in general.

I'm sure there are honest gypsies. I've just never met a single one. I've been robbed five times in my life, four of them by gypsies and one by a Moroccan. Where I come from, the government cannot have offered more chances for integration to the gypsies. Housing to ridiculously good conditions, school grants, personal counselors... you name it. But they just don't want to integrate. They'd rather go on doing the only thing they know how to do, what they've been doing for centuries: taking advantage of others.

I don't care if this sounds racist or what not. I've had about enough of these people.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The problem with the Roma is that the core foundation of their culture is stealing from others and taking advantage of them in general.

I'm sure there are honest gypsies. I've just never met a single one. I've been robbed five times in my life, four of them by gypsies and one by a Moroccan. Where I come from, the government cannot have offered more chances for integration to the gypsies. Housing to ridiculously good conditions, school grants, personal counselors... you name it. But they just don't want to integrate. They'd rather go on doing the only thing they know how to do, what they've been doing for centuries: taking advantage of others.

I don't care if this sounds racist or what not. I've had about enough of these people.

But if attitudes like that prevail - on both sides - then it's irrelevant what the governments try to do. If people don't want them around, they're going to find it hard to integrate regardless, without losing their identity to the point where they are no longer recognisable as Roma.

 

[Descender]

But if attitudes like that prevail - on both sides - then it's irrelevant what the governments try to do. If people don't want them around, they're going to find it hard to integrate regardless, without losing their identity to the point where they are no longer recognisable as Roma.

I repeat: they have been offered thousands of opportunities to integrate. People are cautious around them, for good reasons, but the vast majority of them, including myself, would be more than willing to accept gypsies as part of the greater society if only they showed some willingness to be part of it.

 

[El Pistolero]

But if attitudes like that prevail - on both sides - then it's irrelevant what the governments try to do. If people don't want them around, they're going to find it hard to integrate regardless, without losing their identity to the point where they are no longer recognisable as Roma.

Let's create a new nation just for them, it worked for Israel

 

[fatandfast]

I dated a Hungarian Roma girl when I was younger, good thing at a young age, but they suffer from the same rapid aging affliction that Indian woman do. No matter how good looking they are in their twenties, once they hit their thirties it's all downhill, and quickly.

Tough subject for Europeans, especially Eastern Europe where they are treated as less than 2nd class citizens, unless they're playing a violin or singing on tv.

wait a minute is Padma Lakshmi going to suddenly go through RAA (rapid aging affliction) as you suggest ?You better be wrong about Indian women. She is a dream come true

http://www.padmalakshmi.com

 

[ramjambunath]

I think RDV's post is a bit true though, in the fact that Indian women after marriage tend to not bother about beauty. Those that do, don't age so rapidly.

Gee, reading some of the posts makes me wonder, how can the caste system be criticised by certain sections when there is an equivalently abhorrent mode of discrimination in their own backyard, just with another name.

 

[fatandfast]

I think RDV's post is a bit true though, in the fact that Indian women after marriage tend to not bother about beauty. Those that do, don't age so rapidly.

Gee, reading some of the posts makes me wonder, how can the caste system be criticised by certain sections when there is an equivalently abhorrent mode of discrimination in their own backyard, just with another name.

http://www.aishwarya-rai.com

age is not a factor

 

[ramjambunath]

I know, I am Indian. Celebrities are fit, average women who care about family and career only are the ones who I'm talking about.

 

[fatandfast]

I know, I am Indian. Celebrities are fit, average women who care about family and career only are the ones who I'm talking about.

Indian Indian or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaNntl71xc4

 

[ramjambunath]

Indian Indian living in India.

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[Libertine Seguros]

I repeat: they have been offered thousands of opportunities to integrate. People are cautious around them, for good reasons, but the vast majority of them, including myself, would be more than willing to accept gypsies as part of the greater society if only they showed some willingness to be part of it.

But this is the problem isn't it? It's like "you make the first move". There are plenty of Roma who have integrated into society to the point where you no longer recognise them as having Roma roots. I have Roma ancestry. It's intermingled with the white roots to the point where it's unrecognisable now, but it's still there. Don't make it seem like every single Roma is part of an itinerant community that thrives on criminality and refuses offers of integration - these stereotypes have a basis in reality and exist for a reason, for sure, but they are not universal.

Perhaps several generations of being forcibly ostracised has led to some inbuilt mentalities that are hard to break. And because they've been forced to be a relatively insular community, forging an itinerant path, the sense of community is strong, just as it has been for other 'outsider' groups over history, such as Jews, Armenians, American Indians and so on. Some of the motions towards integration may be perceived by them as intending for Assimilation rather than Integration, and they are too attached to their roots to let that happen. And also many generations as ghettoised or marginalised outsiders can make groups inherently inward-looking, and inherently distrustful of outsiders. And I can understand that. It's hardly a unique situation in the world, and can be seen within entrenched immigrant communities the world over. With the Roma, we're dealing with possibly the most entrenched immigrant community of them all.

Also - the government measures are simply that - government measures. They are imposed from above. In general society, it appears clear that most Roma communities do not wish to assimilate, and most native communities don't wish to have them. A Roma family could take advantage of the government offers, then find themselves dealing with continual discrimination based on the stereotypes of the community they left, and the only people that are willing to accept them are the community that they abandoned. The government can't make the population at large forget their prejudices, and can't make them keep them quiet, without turning into something Yevgeny Zamyatin or George Orwell dreamed up.

 

[oldborn]

Indian Indian living in India.

The video isn't working.

Lol, Brilliant!

 

[oldborn]

Sorry for being so politically incorrect but some of you are rich European **** suckers.

 

[Tank Engine]

Sorry for being so politically incorrect but some of you are rich European **** suckers.

Oh come on Oldscorn. Random insults You can do better than that

 

[oldborn]

Oh come on Oldscorn. Random insults You can do better than that

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[Maxiton]

Of course

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Dang, where is the "like" button when you need it?

 

[Christian]

This is what I learned in linguistics class:

- they came from northern India and arrived in Greece in the 9th century

- the only name that gypsies use to refer to themselves is "Rom", which means "Man" in Hindi

- Tsigane: from the greek "athinganos" and means "he who does not want to touch or to be touched"

- Gitan: Upon their arrival in Greece, they settled in the Peloponnese, at the foot of Mount Gype. Italian travelers eventually came to call this place "little Egypt", and its inhabitants "Egyptianos"

- Manouche: word of tsigane origine, derived from "mnouch" which means "man". It is said that this refered to the moustache that most tsiganes supposedly had

- Bohémiens: The first gitans to arrive in France came from Bohemia (modern day Czech Republic)

- Travelling people: commonly used in the french administration, even though only 15% of gitans are actually travelling, and within the travelling population in France they only represent a minority

Their language has common roots with Sanskrit

http://romani.humanities.manchester.ac.uk