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The Bike Handling Thread

Which (pick 3) factors are most important in determining who's a good bike handler?


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There's been a fair bit of discussion on bike handling in some of the race/rider threads, it certainly seems like a topic worthy of it's own thread. Seems like a good portion of the discussion is about what constitutes good bike handling, so please take the poll above and let's see what the forum thinks about which factors are most important in making someone a good bike handler.

Pick your top 3.

I'm SURE I've left out something someone else thinks is killer. Post your additional skill/factor in the thread.

Who are your top 3 in the current road peloton? All time? Men? Women? Juniors? Take the discussion where you want within the topic of bike handling.
 
You don't make it to the WT because of your bike handling; it's all about power, watts, FTP, W/kg..........and more's the pity. No good having great numbers if you're continually crashing as you have less skills than a teenage MTB rider.....

There are/ have been riders who continually crash, and have never seemingly done anything to rectify it...........

Those riders with an off-road background are usually the best, and as they're comfortable with the bike moving around underneath them, especially the MTB-ers.......MvdP, Pidcock, Pieterse and not forgetting Sagan who rarely crashed, Fuglsang was another.
 
So was Indurain a good bike handler? I don't remember the topic ever coming up in the limited commentary I was able to get from Phil & Paul highlight shows. But somehow he avoided serious crashes in 8 straight GTs, which seems unthinkable now.
 
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Lance Armstrong was an incredible bike handler, actually. Did he ever have a serious crash? Souvenir bidons excepted.

But I think that even 15-20 years ago the races were more open, so handling was less important. And without disc brakes or wide tubeless tires, or helmets for that matter, the margin for error was much smaller.

No doubt that a vtt or cx background helps. Mvdp is just magic on a road bike.
 
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Choosing your line.
We've seen some bad choices recently...
well quite often you don't get to choose your line. So being able to realise you're on the wrong line & adapting to it I would add to your point.

Which is something OP missed from their poll. Situational awareness. Knowing who's around & what their ability is (&your own). Knowing you can't follow Sagan down a descent but you can follow Chris Froome. Also a bit Like when you're driving/riding on the road. you're always picking up clues about what other drivers are doing or trying to do & you act accordingly.
 
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well quite often you don't get to choose your line. So being able to realise you're on the wrong line & adapting to it I would add to your point.

Which is something OP missed from their poll. Situational awareness. Knowing who's around & what their ability is (&your own). Knowing you can't follow Sagan down a descent but you can follow Chris Froome. Also a bit Like when you're driving/riding on the road. you're always picking up clues about what other drivers are doing or trying to do & you act accordingly.
Knowing not to follow the likes of Savoldelli and Nibali when they attacked downhill is certainly something you need to have, just ask Remco and Kruiswijk
 
So was Indurain a good bike handler? I don't remember the topic ever coming up in the limited commentary I was able to get from Phil & Paul highlight shows. But somehow he avoided serious crashes in 8 straight GTs, which seems unthinkable now.
I’m pretty sure as the “patron” of his era, he was given more space if he was in a tight squeeze with other riders. But he had so much power I’m not sure he had to fight for position to be at front like we see so often today,
 
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I think the three main factors are:
A - having a left arm + hand
B - having a right arm + hand
C - having a bike
Participating in a La Marmotte edition just over a decade ago, on final climb (l'Alpe d'Huez) I passed a fellow participant.
A disabled participant. All he had to do with for this demanding race was one right arm and one left leg (or was it the other way around).

Moments after passing him, I immediately thought of the Glandon descent - down the difficult north face where it was announced pre-race that the timing for this section had been canceled due to horrific crashes the year before, unfortunately a single fatal one. And then the thoughts of descending this hairy 19.5k downhill section on a normal road bike with just 1 arm and 1 leg to do with.

No joke.

Talk about bike handling skills.

(ofc irrelevant speaking protour levels, however this thread made me finally find a reason to mention it in this forum)

Edit: oh in fact he had an x-factor in relation to your suggestion
D - having a left leg
 
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You don't make it to the WT because of your bike handling; it's all about power, watts, FTP, W/kg...

Perhaps best argument for this POV is Jay Vine's meteoric career - from Zwift challenges to the ProTour, even at a top team.

However, it is always an advantage to have raced in groups and to have knowledge of how to position yourself, the cycling language without words/a single code word for warnings about road conditions, etc.
You can oppose that if you have good teammates to help you until decicive ascent , where they can no longer keep up, then life as a competitive rider is (largely) as simple as you describe it.

(Should be added I dunno about Jay's background and experience riding in bike groups before he is listed as a licensed rider).
 
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Thanks for the poll.

Of course descending is a special skill. I also picked positioning as being strong is irrelevant if you can't hold a wheel. Richie Porte is a former triathlete ;) . But I also picked riding pave' after I watched a video last week about the Arenberg forest.

Until I watched that video I had no clue how large those stones and gaps between them were (I've never seen pave' outside the internet let alone ridden on it). I guess the best way to ride those would be as fast as possible? Following other riders you'd be almost guaranteed to crash. But I think you need to have super concentration and lightning reflexes - like a race car driver. Yes, that is definitely bike handling.
 
Until I watched that video I had no clue how large those stones and gaps between them were (I've never seen pave' outside the internet let alone ridden on it).
I have ridden shorter pavé sections in my home country (Denmark), the few available, this incl. a recreational race containing a single pavé section in combo with subsequent hilly climb - and a highlight of the race, where you enter the section slightly rising but at speed.
It was always a section I looked forward to with joy, as I could just use my 'moshing technique' in heavy gear exchange on my way across the cobblestones and, hence, get rid of the "wallpaper paste"/freebies in my group.

The first time I rode real cobblestone sections was in relation to a week's stay near Oudenaarde. The very first section I faced (after a beautiful 20 flat bike path kilometers along the Schelde) was Oude Kwaremont. Climb-wise, it was at most on-par with my nearest local hills, but the cobblestones at Kwaremont were a completely different caliber, heavier and more cruel.
I guess the best way to ride those would be as fast as possible? Following other riders you'd be almost guaranteed to crash. But I think you need to have super concentration and lightning reflexes - like a race car driver. Yes, that is definitely bike handling.
In general, it's easier to ride fast through the cobblestones, unless they really are like they were dropped from a helicopter.

After passing Oude Kwaremont first time, I couldn't resist to immediately go down the main road (just like the pro field in RvV) and take it at a slightly higher pace this time, semi-attack mode.
But THIS was where the troubles really got brewing for me! My rhythm was constantly broken and I had to constantly to re-initiate. Like no flow/inertia at all.

Just until Roger de Vlaeminck and his mythical photo-free visionary look for the cobblestones came to my mind. When I started to "X-ray" the very irregular passages and constantly correct my path, I was able to keep up the speed. However, I will say that Pogi's last climb of this climb last year seemed like he had a cushion of air under his wheels, and out of this world when I compared to the same passage where I really struggled to avoid breaking the rhythm and speed.

Quite different a little later on my Paterberg climb, here the cobblestones were much friendlier to me and the faster I climbed the easier it became.

And then Koppenberg. Now I've been there twice, I don't consider myself anything special, besides I'm a little dissapointed that both times I've been in dry, sunny weather, which helps a lot on how to get up.
The second time years later, I even had the audacity to film my ascent with one hand in the meantime - with the expectation that I would crash it probably just made me even sharper - I got all the way up without severe difficulty (you cannot say Koppenberg isn't tough of which is the starting point) - with last Sunday's nature here, I think it would'nt have been enough for me with two hands on the handlebars and a balanced sitting position. That of last sunday looked to the extreme side.

With my Oude Kwaremont experience I have always had the deepest respect for riders who pass the most difficult cobblestone sections in P-R at high speed.

This is where a Roger de Vlaeminck 'X-ray vision' skill will undoubtedly come in handy.
Even more so in wet, muddy conditions.

So my conclusion regarding speeds at cobblestone sections:
For easy-to-medium: Speed is just an advantage.
For the difficult, irregular: With speed it becomes REAL hairy - technique and vision are crucial essentials.

Edit: ofc coudn't resist other cobble sections in this core region of Flemish cobble climbs, this inclusive the plenty flat cobble sections. Haaghoek is a killer at speed itself going from north-west to entry to Leberg. Leberg being piece-of-cake if you survive Haaghoek going attack mode here (RvV riders taking that route on several occasions past decade).
 
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Lance always had supreme position in the peloton. Strong team and strong personality Plus was also a decent bike handler. And luck
It's not a name that would occur to many, I believe, but Erik Zabel had very few crashes that I remember, despite a large number of race days and always being at the sharp end of flat stages and flat-ish one-day races. He was also very good at positioning for the sprint, and at the same time, was involved in very little controversy. That '97 relegation was a nothingburger, really; the jury just wanted to put its foot down after Steels threw his bottle. Pevenage talked in his autobiography about rubber from Zabel's front tire being visible on the back of the team car after he brought him back to the peloton following a mechanical, so it's not like he shunned risks, either.
 
Riders with good bike handling invariably sit well on the bike.
It's a bit like a race car with a 52/48 weight distribution. Most if not all good descenders have naturally a fairly agressive weight distribution which makes them more agile taking corners (Sagan, Cancellara, Vingegaard, Alaphilippe, Savoldelli, Nibali, Pidcock,...).

Nicholas Roche really hits the nail on the head. I don't want to 'blame' disc brakes, but it's a fact that bikes are faster and they brake faster, too. This all leaves less and less margin for error (and riders reduce that margin themselves). The human mind is only made for speeds that go with the human body, which is, in a sprint, around 30k/hr. Everything above is too fast for the human mind (we are no hummingbirds / falcons who can move at incredible speed and manage it like it's slow-motion). So any excess speed above what we can naturally process, is leaving us no adequate reaction time.

One thing left out of the poll is fatigue. I am pretty sure Pithie crashed because he was tired. It makes your brain work differently.