The dirty Team BISSELL Homecare, Inc

[Epicycle]

While leaks can exist for the right reasons, can you cite an example of when USADA leaked a rider's A-sample result from a test that it administered, inside the US? I'm not talking about a situation like that of Landis, where the test was done outside the US, under the control of an agency other than USADA, and those results (of pee-analysis done to an American's sample) were handed out to the media forcing the rider to confirm the disclosure before the counter-analysis was performed?

You have to factor in the profile of the rider or event Joe. If a rider has a high profile or it happens at a high profile event things leak. There were rumors of Tyler Hamilton's positive for DHEA long before it was confirmed officially. When Marion Jones tested positive for EPO at a US event it was leaked before her B sample was tested.

With the Landis case it was McQuaid that let the cat out of the bag calling it the worst possible scenario. Phonak quickly confirmed. Of course many people had suspicions when Floyd didn't show up to a post Tour criterium.
Now the UCI is publicizing A sample positives itself.

 

[Oldman]

How does U.S. testing compare to European?

Pretty light except National Championships. We've had some juiced Masters racers get caught; but only when at Natz/International level. US puritan attitudes generally influence younger riders. Can't say the same for all riders that come here from other continents.

 

[joe_papp]

You have to factor in the profile of the rider or event Joe. If a rider has a high profile or it happens at a high profile event things leak. There were rumors of Tyler Hamilton's positive for DHEA long before it was confirmed officially. When Marion Jones tested positive for EPO at a US event it was leaked before her B sample was tested.

With the Landis case it was McQuaid that let the cat out of the bag calling it the worst possible scenario. Phonak quickly confirmed. Of course many people had suspicions when Floyd didn't show up to a post Tour criterium.
Now the UCI is publicizing A sample positives itself.

Sorry for the confusion - I was asking for examples where USADA leaked the results of tests that it administered inside the USA. Not leaked results of US athletes tested outside the country by other organizations.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I posted this on another thread.

This would be my theory on the main difference between what happens in the US and Europe.

"I agree you on the principle that there should be no public announcement of a non negative A sample.

However what happened before was when a rider produced a non negative they were suspended, but the media often jumped on to any rider who was pulled from an event for whatever reason and started jumping to assumptions- hence the reason for disclosure.

Also it is in the UCI rules for the public disclosure of a non negative A sample:

"The identity of a License-Holder who may have committed an anti-doping rule violation may be publicly
disclosed by the UCI after notice has been provided to the License-Holder under article 206 or, where no
Adverse Analytical Finding is involved, under article 249.""

 

[Epicycle]

Sorry for the confusion - I was asking for examples where USADA leaked the results of tests that it administered inside the USA. Not leaked results of US athletes tested outside the country by other organizations.

Both Hamilton and Jones were tested in the US. Tyler OOC and Jones at the US national championships. Jones even had her B sample test negative after her A sample result was leaked. She was later confirmed to have taken EPO when she admitted doping so she got lucky with her B sample.

In the Jones leak the wording ESPN used made it sound like the source was official. Maybe it was somebody from USATF. I would bet the Hamilton info came from somebody who knows him. Governing bodies and people who know the athletes probably leak a lot more than antidoping agencies.

 

[BigBoat]

Is USADA not run by the same people that ran the USOC?

 

[usedtobefast]

Is USADA not run by the same people that ran the USOC?

http://www.usantidoping.org/who/history.html:cool:

 

[joe_papp]

what's the answer to the O'Bee Affair?

O'Bee has an "issue" with the anti doping feds.... This keeps getting better and better. How the heck do they go so fast??...

So no one has been able to learn - even if just rumor - what O'Bee was popped for? I can say for certain that it was known to USADA in July, but I wasn't about to press for more details.

So, any other sources w/ reliable info?

 

[BigBoat]

It's not a Bissell thing, it's an O-Positive thing. He was an isolated rider on that team, nobody wanted him. He won crit Nats for Health Net...and they didn't even want him. Whoever hired him @ Bissell is a moron, yes they needed a crit rider...but come on. BJM and Zirbel are clean riders, if they wanted to race dirty they would have been in Europe years ago.

Huh, gee; I guess we'll have to keep a hawk eye on that B-sample. He could still be 'clean; right now. If he took a shower before bed.

 

[fatandfast]

A and B samples should be tested and confirmed before any action is taken. This guys career is over on any large well funded domestic squad on the accusation not the conviction

 

[blackcat]

A and B samples should be tested and confirmed before any action is taken. This guys career is over on any large well funded domestic squad on the accusation not the conviction

what, like the doperz on Rock Racing?

Gotta do better than that supposition fnf