Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

[Salvarani]

The media

I have seen no such comparisons, nor would they be accurate. That would be a lazy link and setting him up to fail, by people hoping he doesnt live up to such extreme expectations put on him. Del Toro isnt and wont be the next Pog.

Del Toro a different rider, with different strengths. He is young and still improving, but there are many great young riders on the rise atm.

I will say he looks likely to have a pretty good career and could win many races, but that doesnt make him the next Pog. I think that is not fair to put on anyone.

 

[canina82]

The media

So no one from the forum but you still come here like there are a lot of us (forum users) who believe Del Toro will be as good as Pogacar. You know the sensationalism is part of media, they want to sell and those articles or posts are obvious clickbait.
And they do the same with Seixas, with Remco, they want someone to threat Pogacar even deep inside we all know he stands alone way above his rivals both in stage races and hilly classics.

 

[canina82]

I have seen no such comparisons, nor would they be accurate. That would be a lazy link and setting him up to fail, by people hoping he doesnt live up to such extreme expectations put on him. Del Toro isnt and wont be the next Pog.

Del Toro a different rider, with different strengths. He is young and still improving, but there are many great young riders on the rise atm.

I will say he looks likely to have a pretty good career and could win many races, but that doesnt make him the next Pog. I think that is not fair to put on anyone.

If someone is expecting to become the next Pogacar, of course he is overrated but as far I have been reading on this forum, he is perfectly rated.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

That's probably enough about Pogacar, Del Toro and Evenepoel for now on the Van Der Poel thread, thank you.

 

[tobydawq]

Wasn't it a bit hypocritical of Mathieu to not ride with Del Toro when he apparently put Tim van Dijke on his mortal enemies list for daring to not take pulls during Omloop? I don't care particularly if a rider takes turns or not but this behaviour seems almost comical.

 

[Berniece]

Wasn't it a bit hypocritical of Mathieu to not ride with Del Toro when he apparently put Tim van Dijke on his mortal enemies list for daring to not take pulls during Omloop? I don't care particularly if a rider takes turns or not but this behaviour seems almost comical.

I agree, maybe he was just knackered? Then again, this isn't the first time MVDP being hypocritical. He also has the tendency to close gaps to WVA and then not ride anymore

 

[tobydawq]

I agree, maybe he was just knackered? Then again, this isn't the first time MVDP being hypocritical. He also has the tendency to close gaps to WVA and then not ride anymore

Yeah, sure, but Van Dijke was probably knackered as well.

 

[Berniece]

Yeah, sure, but Van Dijke was probably knackered as well.

Bit different of course, Van Dijke went with MVDP at 40km from the finish? There were a lot of flat sections, so time to recover. Yesterday MVDP said he was at the limit when he lost Del Toro's wheel due that slip. There just was no time to recover.

In the end I still agree that MVDP eventually could've taken a turn.

 

[tobydawq]

Bit different of course, Van Dijke went with MVDP at 40km from the finish? There were a lot of flat sections, so time to recover. Yesterday MVDP said he was at the limit when he lost Del Toro's wheel due that slip. There just was no time to recover.

In the end I still agree that MVDP eventually could've taken a turn.

That's not my point. I don't think he should have taken a turn if he thought it would be detrimental to his chances of winning. But I do think he should not have thought negatively of Van Dijke for not taking turns.

 

[Red Rick]

Afaik Van Dijke and VdP often train together so he may just be talking *** about one of his buddies

 

[Gratemans]

Afaik Van Dijke and VdP often train together so he may just be talking *** about one of his buddies

They actually trained together after Omloop, so people are just creating drama.

 

[yaco]

MVDP did not need to ride because Del toro was chasing GC.

 

[jono]

Exactly this. It's not like MVP can't climb these short hills.

The initial part of the gravel climb was 1.1km at 9%. A 3+ minute effort. With mostly a climbing finish to follow.

He can climb these short hills, and he did yesterday. But on that sort profile against two of the better climbers in the world, he does not hold the upper hand.

 

[jono]

That's not my point. I don't think he should have taken a turn if he thought it would be detrimental to his chances of winning. But I do think he should not have thought negatively of Van Dijke for not taking turns.

What evidence do we have for this? That he congratulated Vermeersch in the finish corral after Omloop but not van Dijke?