The old 'Shimano wears out, Campag wears in' thing...

[kwikki]

Let's try and keep this civil

As per title really. Thing is, I've never had Shimano wear out. Admittedly I have more bikes than I have fingers so there isn't one bike that gets hammered, but there are two main mileage bikes....one Campag Record and one DA 7800.

Both gpsets work great. There is a decisive positivity about the Campag that I love, which is in direct contrast to the breezy lightness of the DA 7800 (has there ever been a lighter action gpset?)....but the lightness is sublime. I guess that makes me a lucky man, satisfied with both, appreciating the relative differences of both, and not feeling the need to get drawn into a blinkered zero sum comparison.

But, I do take issue with the view in the thread title. In 14 years of use, I had to perform my first bit of maintenance last week on the DA shifters. They had become erratic when shifting to a smaller sprocket. I'd read somewhere that the factory grease hardens over time. So I pulled the lever and squirted in Pro Gold into every orifice. (PRO link PRO Gold seems to have the bizarre qualities of being both a degrease and a lubficant).

Hey presto. The things now shift like they did when new.

Here's the thing. In the years of using Records the ergos have broken twice. The first time cost me £40 and several weeks to get it repaired. The second time I learned to do it myself, but it is still a pain.

So yes, they can be repaired. Maybe the tagline should be 'Campag can be repaired, Shimano won't need to'.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

discussed Ad nauseam.....use the search function to go over well trodden ground!

Both make fantastic groupsets.

Pick yah poison.

 

[kwikki]

Oh apologies. Feel free to delete the thread if you deem it superfluous.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Let's try and keep this civil

As per title really. Thing is, I've never had Shimano wear out. Admittedly I have more bikes than I have fingers so there isn't one bike that gets hammered, but there are two main mileage bikes....one Campag Record and one DA 7800.

Both gpsets work great. There is a decisive positivity about the Campag that I love, which is in direct contrast to the breezy lightness of the DA 7800 (has there ever been a lighter action gpset?)....but the lightness is sublime. I guess that makes me a lucky man, satisfied with both, appreciating the relative differences of both, and not feeling the need to get drawn into a blinkered zero sum comparison.

But, I do take issue with the view in the thread title. In 14 years of use, I had to perform my first bit of maintenance last week on the DA shifters. They had become erratic when shifting to a smaller sprocket. I'd read somewhere that the factory grease hardens over time. So I pulled the lever and squirted in Pro Gold into every orifice. (PRO link PRO Gold seems to have the bizarre qualities of being both a degrease and a lubficant).

Hey presto. The things now shift like they did when new.

Here's the thing. In the years of using Records the ergos have broken twice. The first time cost me £40 and several weeks to get it repaired. The second time I learned to do it myself, but it is still a pain.

So yes, they can be repaired. Maybe the tagline should be 'Campag can be repaired, Shimano won't need to'.

Sample size of one. I worked at or owned bike shops, as the service manager and lead wrench, since 1985. Of the levers that seemed to fail, well, DA/shimano 600 STI 8s was very durable. 6500/7700(9s) less so. Saw many just fail and no amount of 'spray the guts' would bring them back. Same for 7800/7900/6600/6700/5600/5700...BUT in fairness, I also overhauled MAY ERGO levers. Even today, if you buy a shift assembly for parts, Campag lever OVH is really a breeze(altho very little in 2009+ levers wear, since shift springs and spring carriers, the 2 things that wear/broke, are gone). BUT yes, shimano levers stopped working, some came back to life, a lot ended up in the trash can(altho some were warrantied).

Gotta add sram/slam/scram. To their credit, they would warranty anything, for any reason, at any time. MANY levers just broke, rear ders(RED) exploded, BB bearings seized. The problem was time. No way to fix and get back on road, just replace, like a BIC lighter. Seems spam has learned from shimano. Campagnolo repair, shimano/spam-replace. MY problem with scam is how rude they were to this bike shop owner, when I has the audacity to complain about their junk.

AND for above, discussion group, discuss....or not, your choice.

 

[kwikki]

Cheers. A very informative post. It's certainly true that my Campag failed (as did my friends) repeatedly but at least it is (or was) cheap and simple to repair. Plus you can actually get the parts, which is something that is not so easy with Shimano....in fact near impossible.

As for SRAM, I've no opinion on it, never having used any of it, having read your post it'll stay that way

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Re:

Oh apologies. Feel free to delete the thread if you deem it superfluous.

my handle is written in Black

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Let's try and keep this civil

As per title really. Thing is, I've never had Shimano wear out. Admittedly I have more bikes than I have fingers so there isn't one bike that gets hammered, but there are two main mileage bikes....one Campag Record and one DA 7800.

Both gpsets work great. There is a decisive positivity about the Campag that I love, which is in direct contrast to the breezy lightness of the DA 7800 (has there ever been a lighter action gpset?)....but the lightness is sublime. I guess that makes me a lucky man, satisfied with both, appreciating the relative differences of both, and not feeling the need to get drawn into a blinkered zero sum comparison.

But, I do take issue with the view in the thread title. In 14 years of use, I had to perform my first bit of maintenance last week on the DA shifters. They had become erratic when shifting to a smaller sprocket. I'd read somewhere that the factory grease hardens over time. So I pulled the lever and squirted in Pro Gold into every orifice. (PRO link PRO Gold seems to have the bizarre qualities of being both a degrease and a lubficant).

Hey presto. The things now shift like they did when new.

Here's the thing. In the years of using Records the ergos have broken twice. The first time cost me £40 and several weeks to get it repaired. The second time I learned to do it myself, but it is still a pain.

So yes, they can be repaired. Maybe the tagline should be 'Campag can be repaired, Shimano won't need to'.

Sample size of one. I worked at or owned bike shops, as the service manager and lead wrench, since 1985. Of the levers that seemed to fail, well, DA/shimano 600 STI 8s was very durable. 6500/7700(9s) less so. Saw many just fail and no amount of 'spray the guts' would bring them back. Same for 7800/7900/6600/6700/5600/5700...BUT in fairness, I also overhauled MAY ERGO levers. Even today, if you buy a shift assembly for parts, Campag lever OVH is really a breeze(altho very little in 2009+ levers wear, since shift springs and spring carriers, the 2 things that wear/broke, are gone). BUT yes, shimano levers stopped working, some came back to life, a lot ended up in the trash can(altho some were warrantied).

Gotta add sram/slam/scram. To their credit, they would warranty anything, for any reason, at any time. MANY levers just broke, rear ders(RED) exploded, BB bearings seized. The problem was time. No way to fix and get back on road, just replace, like a BIC lighter. Seems spam has learned from shimano. Campagnolo repair, shimano/spam-replace. MY problem with them is how rude they were to this bike shop owner, when I has the audacity to complain about their junk.

AND for above, discussion group, discuss....or not, your choice.

Show us your tattoo BK......just one more time -

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Let's try and keep this civil

As per title really. Thing is, I've never had Shimano wear out. Admittedly I have more bikes than I have fingers so there isn't one bike that gets hammered, but there are two main mileage bikes....one Campag Record and one DA 7800.

Both gpsets work great. There is a decisive positivity about the Campag that I love, which is in direct contrast to the breezy lightness of the DA 7800 (has there ever been a lighter action gpset?)....but the lightness is sublime. I guess that makes me a lucky man, satisfied with both, appreciating the relative differences of both, and not feeling the need to get drawn into a blinkered zero sum comparison.

But, I do take issue with the view in the thread title. In 14 years of use, I had to perform my first bit of maintenance last week on the DA shifters. They had become erratic when shifting to a smaller sprocket. I'd read somewhere that the factory grease hardens over time. So I pulled the lever and squirted in Pro Gold into every orifice. (PRO link PRO Gold seems to have the bizarre qualities of being both a degrease and a lubficant).

Hey presto. The things now shift like they did when new.

Here's the thing. In the years of using Records the ergos have broken twice. The first time cost me £40 and several weeks to get it repaired. The second time I learned to do it myself, but it is still a pain.

So yes, they can be repaired. Maybe the tagline should be 'Campag can be repaired, Shimano won't need to'.

Sample size of one. I worked at or owned bike shops, as the service manager and lead wrench, since 1985. Of the levers that seemed to fail, well, DA/shimano 600 STI 8s was very durable. 6500/7700(9s) less so. Saw many just fail and no amount of 'spray the guts' would bring them back. Same for 7800/7900/6600/6700/5600/5700...BUT in fairness, I also overhauled MAY ERGO levers. Even today, if you buy a shift assembly for parts, Campag lever OVH is really a breeze(altho very little in 2009+ levers wear, since shift springs and spring carriers, the 2 things that wear/broke, are gone). BUT yes, shimano levers stopped working, some came back to life, a lot ended up in the trash can(altho some were warrantied).

Gotta add sram/slam/scram. To their credit, they would warranty anything, for any reason, at any time. MANY levers just broke, rear ders(RED) exploded, BB bearings seized. The problem was time. No way to fix and get back on road, just replace, like a BIC lighter. Seems spam has learned from shimano. Campagnolo repair, shimano/spam-replace. MY problem with them is how rude they were to this bike shop owner, when I has the audacity to complain about their junk.

AND for above, discussion group, discuss....or not, your choice.

Show us your tattoo BK......just one more time -

If you insist-

 

[kwikki]

Quick question BK.
Do you know what HT2 BBC are compatible with 7800?

Would this work:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-bb-r60-ultegra-6800105-5800-hollowtech-ii/

 

[StryderHells]

Re:

Quick question BK.
Do you know what HT2 BBC are compatible with 7800?

Would this work:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-bb-r60-ultegra-6800105-5800-hollowtech-ii/

Yep that will work with a 7800 crankset

 

[kwikki]

Ta.

Actually, I'm old and senile and I've just discovered a new 9000 BB in my drive train parts drawer so I must have already found out the answer to my own question. It's got a small diameter spline cap though so it looks like I'll have to get some sort of adaptor to fit the HT2 spanner.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Ta.

Actually, I'm old and senile and I've just discovered a new 9000 BB in my drive train parts drawer so I must have already found out the answer to my own question. It's got a small diameter spline cap though so it looks like I'll have to get some sort of adaptor to fit the HT2 spanner.

Park tool make the correct size spanner, get that. Shimano make a little plastic reducer that they ship with the BB, I've stripped 2-3 of them and they're rubbish.

 

[kwikki]

Cheers for that tip.

 

[Irondan]

There's plenty of other threads that discuss the same arguement.

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