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The Roche files

David Walsh, Roche's first biographer, published the findings which seemed to indicate clear guilt. "David found all these code names which he said pointed to my name. But that's not proof I took EPO. David damaged me a lot. He damaged me for life."

Roche's rather uncertain defence is that the blood samples were also used for university research. "Yes," he nods. "When the case came out I rang Giovanni Grazzi – our doctor at Carrera – and asked: 'What's going on?' He explained that we'd had monthly blood tests where they would test us for simple things – like the level of iron in our system – and once that had been done the samples were used for research. The blood was contaminated and that's why the graphics were so inconsistent.

"How can I defend myself? I can't give any proof. It's the same with the fact there was other stuff around in 1987. How can I prove now that I was clean? They didn't store urine and blood samples from those days. The most important thing is that I'm at ease with my conscience."

Wounded by Walsh and his former team-mate and friend, Paul Kimmage, the Irish writer who has campaigned for years against doping, Roche insists on his innocence. "When Paul wrote his book [Rough Ride – an insider's account of life on a drug-riddled tour] I came out of it well. Paul was my room-mate and had known me for years. He didn't say anything bad about me in the book. But what made me despise him then was that he was asked on TV: 'What about Sean Kelly and Stephen Roche taking stuff?' Paul said: 'I can't answer that.' I reacted fiercely but what I regret now was my naivety then. I had my head in the sand about doping."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/04/tour-de-france-stephen-roche?newsfeed=true
 
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He better update his wiki page

" In March 2000 the Italian judge Franca Oliva published a report detailing the investigation into sports doctors including Conconi.[11] This official judicial investigation unequivocally found that Roche was administered EPO in 1993, his last year in the peloton.[8] Files part of the investigation allegedly detail a number of aliases for Roche including Rocchi, Rossi, Rocca, Roncati, Righi and Rossini.[12] In 2004 Judge Oliva alleged that Roche had taken EPO during 1993 but due to the statute of limitations, neither Roche nor his team-mates at Carrera would be prosecuted."
 
There's numerous things you could say to that nonsense from Roche - however the notable thing about Paul's book is that he went out of his way to mention and name the riders he thought clean. He shared a room with Roche, and not once does he say he thought Roche was clean. He avoided talking about Kelly and Roche because he valued their friendship, yet didn't want to lie.
Kelly is ok with Kimmage these days when they meet...Roche is idiotic. Roche also said back when Kmmage wrote that book, that it was only the second rate riders who dope, and that the top riders would never risk it. Yet in the same article he said there will always be doping.
And to say he was not aware of doping back then - he rode with Carrera, La Redoute, Fagor, Ton ton Tapis...and he never encountered doping on those team. :rolleyes:
 
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Roche's book would be so much more interesting...

..if it was honest. Personally I won't bother reading it as I don't expect to find anything new or interesting in it. I'm still waiting for a GT winner to write an honest and open account of racing in the 80s and 90s.

By all accounts Riis's book doesn't tick that box either as it contains the doping to pretty much what he's already been forced to admit to.
 
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..if it was honest. Personally I won't bother reading it as I don't expect to find anything new or interesting in it. I'm still waiting for a GT winner to write an honest and open account of racing in the 80s and 90s.

By all accounts Riis's book doesn't tick that box either as it contains the doping to pretty much what he's already been forced to admit to.

Have you read Fignon's book, it seems pretty frank about things?
 
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Have you read Fignon's book, it seems pretty frank about things?

Not a GT-winner, but Peter Winnen writes very openly about drug use in his book Van Santander naar Santander, I doubt it's translated to any language but Dutch though.
 
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..if it was honest. Personally I won't bother reading it as I don't expect to find anything new or interesting in it. I'm still waiting for a GT winner to write an honest and open account of racing in the 80s and 90s.

By all accounts Riis's book doesn't tick that box either as it contains the doping to pretty much what he's already been forced to admit to.

Do you think GT winners did more PEDs than others and hence their GT win?

A certain Texan did, Pantani had 50%+ hemacrit and Riis Mr 60%.

But the 80's, it is pretty much known what they were taking.
 
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And to say he was not aware of doping back then - he rode with Carrera, La Redoute, Fagor, Ton ton Tapis

Often forgotten is Roche's brother Lawrence who rode with Carrera for two Years. In 1989 and 1990. He then rode with the Tonton Tapis Team alongside Stephen in 1991 finishing 153 rd overall in his only Tour De France. Interestingly enough, if Dan Martin rides the Tour this Year, he will become the fourth member of the same family to take part in the most prestigious race in the calender. I wonder will that be some sort of a record ?

1991 was also the Year Roche was disqualified from the Tour because he missed the start of the TTT on stage two.
 
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I know but his nickname was mr 60% was it not?

It was, according to his soigneur, Jef D'Hondt, his hematocrit reached 64% during the 1996 Tour.
 

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pretty obvious that someone is trying to spill the dirt on Roche as payback for his tough crackdown on unzipped jerseys.
 
I don't know how many of you actually followed and read the Guardian link Hog posted, but reading it now he doesn't really deny doping later in his career.

He rightly claims he wasn't taking EPO at the time of the triple crown in '87 - noting it wasn't available then.

Then he does the standard non-denial denial about 92-93: "Why would I dope at the end of my career when I had nothing to prove?". This is followed up by not really offering any proper explanations.

As Benotti notes towards the top Roche is on the list of Conconi's 23 original amateurs - need to do a lot of wiggling to get out of that one. The article mentions that blood samples where linked to him in the 2000 investigation - really difficult to get around that one!

The only valid explanation I can see from his point of view is that he wouldn't have known at the time there was EPO involved. Although far fetched, it wouldn't be impossible.
 
mastersracer said:
pretty obvious that someone is trying to spill the dirt on Roche as payback for his tough crackdown on unzipped jerseys.

I must be wearing my muddy glasses today - "pretty obvious" how?

The guy is taking part in an interview and commenting on the subject himself.
None of it is new information - it's all basically re-hash...
How on earth is that "someone spilling the dirt"?
 
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pretty obvious that someone is trying to spill the dirt on Roche as payback for his tough crackdown on unzipped jerseys.

Dirt was spilled on Roche by a court in Italy in March 2000 by Italian judge Franca Oliva a long time ago. This official judicial investigation unequivocally found that Roche was administered EPO in 1993, his last year in the peloton. In 2004 Judge Oliva declared that Roche had taken EPO during 1993 but due to the statute of limitations, neither Roche nor his team-mates at Carrera would be prosecuted.

Roche is trying to rewrite history. Why is trying to claim he never doped now and he was wronged? What evidence does he give, his Carrera team doctor! hahahaha, well we all know how cycling team Doctors worked when Roche was a cyclist and it seems they still work in a similar manner now.

So Roche's was proved unequivocally to have doped using EPO in an Italian court.
 
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Often forgotten is Roche's brother Lawrence who rode with Carrera for two Years. In 1989 and 1990. He then rode with the Tonton Tapis Team alongside Stephen in 1991 finishing 153 rd overall in his only Tour De France. Interestingly enough, if Dan Martin rides the Tour this Year, he will become the fourth member of the same family to take part in the most prestigious race in the calender. I wonder will that be some sort of a record ?

1991 was also the Year Roche was disqualified from the Tour because he missed the start of the TTT on stage two.

I actually met Lawrence about 3 weeks ago. It was at Stephens annual sportive in the south of Ireland. Just a brief chat. I didnt bring up PEDs so sorry Clinic fans. Thought id use manners & tact & all that.
Did Stephen get disqualified from that Tour for turning up late? If memory serves me i thought he tried to catch the team no??
 
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Did Stephen get disqualified from that Tour for turning up late? If memory serves me i thought he tried to catch the team no??

Yes You are correct. I should have been a little more specific. In essence Roche missed the start of the TTT as he turned up late. His team set of without him.
He chased them down, effectively riding a solo TT and was later disqualified for being outside the allowable time differential of their finishing time.
 
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Conconi and Ferrara case (1993-1998):


http://forum.saxobanksungard.com/pop_printer_friendly.asp?TOPIC_ID=5013



Conconi and the Italian Ferrara institute received 2mio euro from IOC to develop an EPO test. But this was a total waste of time and money, since no test was ever developed, and as a matter of fact the money was instead used to finance EPO doping of riders. Conconi started to dope cycling riders with EPO in 1993, where he selected 22 athletes to take part of a so called “EPO research project” paid by IOC. The 22 athletes recieved frequently EPO in 1993, and consisted of 15 riders: Allocchio, Barsotelli, Bontempi, Bugno, Chiappucci, Chiesa, Fondriest, Ghirotto, Perini, STEPHEN ROCHE, Roscioli, Rossi, Rolf Sørensen, Vanzella, Zen, 5 skiers: Albarello, De Zolt, Di Centa, Fauner, Vanzetta, and 2 runners: DaMilano, Scaunich. Italian long distance skiers was doped with hugh success in 1992+1994 (Italy gained 34 OL medals).

Investigation report about Conconi (where 21 riders and 7 doctors confessed the doping practise), was filed by Donati in feb.1994, directly to CONIs president, but the report mysteriously disappeared. In Oct.1996 an Italian journalist made the conclusions from the report known to public, and this was the first time the public became aware of a big doping scandal in Cycling. Within few days the disappeared report suddenly reappeared again, but only in Oct.1998 the police made a raid on Ferrara. The Ferrara institute did in 1981-1998 blood analysis on 421 athletes, and received 3mio euro in financial support from CONI. Despite of the legal case against Conconi, he was in 2000 still employed by both UCI, CONI, and IOC. In 2001 Conconi was still president of the UCI medical comission, with the responsibility to protect the riders health in Cycling!!! The Ferrara court case ended in 2003 with no legal penalties, due to the case turning to old, and the lack of an explicit doping law in Italy. Nevertheless the Italian court concluded, that systematic EPO doping was going on for all riders at the teams Carrera and Gewiss Ballan from 1993-1995. Furthermore the court concluded that Dr.Conconi, Dr.Grazzi, Dr.Casoni and Dr.Ferrari was moral guilty of doping 66 riders, 14 skiers and 2 runners in 1993-1998. The names of implicated riders and athletes was revealed to the public in 1999, where a Gewiss Ballan soigneur further confirmed, that EPO indeed had been administered from Ferrari and Casoni.

Dr.Ferrari was working at the Ferrara institute and operating as team doctor for Gewiss Ballan in 1994. But in 1995 he left that job, and started up his own private practice, where he continued to “prepare” many famous riders. There was a separate legal case against Ferrari, since there was found more recent evidence against him in the police raid. He was convicted guilty in oct.2004 of “sporting fraud” and “doping prescription”, and received life ban from FCI. In the “Ferrari network”, there was also 15 other persons accused (pharmacists, physicians and team staff from Refin and Riso Scotti), while all riders got “amnesty”. In example, both Giro-winner Tonkov(1996) and Gotti(1997) was proved guilty of unnatural Hematocrite fluctuations when they won, but they was never condemned. Fillippo Simeoni testified that team director Davide Boifava, was full aware of the doping practice on Carrera in 1996. Riders in the special Ferrari case, all had training tables with a secret *, symbolising an EPO injection. Armstrong was a client of Ferrari in 1995-2004, but was not among the implicated riders in this giant legal case.

66 riders (93-98): Allocchio, Artunghi, Barsotelli, Bernhard, Bertolini, Berzin, Bobrik, Bontempi, Bortolami, Bottaro, Brignoli, Bugno, Cavallini, Cenghialta, Checchin, Chiappucci, Chiesa, Chiurato, Cipollini, Cobalchini, Convalle, De las Cuevas, Della-Bianca, Dufaux, Escartin, Faresin, Fondriest, Frattini, Furlan, Ghirotto, Gotti, Kappes, Livingston, E.Mazzoleni (96-98), A.Merckx, Miceli, Minali, Molinari, Mentheour, Moser (83-85), Olano, Pantani, Perini, Pontoni, Pulnikov, Riis, S.ROCHE, Rominger, Roscioli, Rossi, Santaromita, Savoldelli, Schiavina, Siboni, F.Simeoni(97), R.Sørensen, Tonkov, Ugrumov, Vandenbroucke, Vanzella, Volpi, Zaina, Zanette, B.Zberg, Zen, Zülle.
 
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Also : http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12857991&p=17657246

Searched for a link to this Sunday Times article. But could not find it.

From The Sunday Times
March 28, 2004

Cycling: Sad end to Roche's road

The unequivocal findings of an Italian judge have undermined the cyclist’s countless denials that he ever benefited from EPO

David Walsh

On the last Sunday of July, 1986, an epic Tour de France ended in Paris. Greg LeMond beat his teammate Bernard Hinault to become the first American to win the race and Stephen Roche, struggling with a troublesome knee and poor form, finished in 48th place, almost an hour and a half behind the winner. Not that anybody on the Champs Elysees that afternoon could have told of Roche’s travails.

Flitting between one television interview and another, Roche found a number of balloons in his path. With the swagger of a Maradona, he playfully scattered the balloons with his right foot until there was only one remaining. This one though was now behind him and, pirouetting gracefully, he torpedoed that last balloon into the air. And the point was undeniable: even on the bad days, Roche saw himself as a champion.

Which is why the 44-page report produced by Italian judge Franca Oliva and released last week will hurt so much. The judge’s verdict is unequivocal.

Roche was one of 33 athletes, mostly cyclists, who were given EPO in 1993. He claims he could not have been given it without his knowledge and did not knowingly take it. The evidence undermined his denials and Judge Oliva’s conclusions are not a surprise.

In Roche’s public view of the cycling world, it is not champions who use drugs but low wretches short on talent. He was scathing in his dismissal of Paul Kimmage when Kimmage produced his classic exposé on drugs in cycling, Rough Ride, and similarly disparaging about others who sought to highlight the sport’s pervasive doping culture. He took every generalised claim against the sport as a personal insult until, at last, the case against cycling wound its way into his career.

From the moment in early 2000 that the evidence came to light, it was clear Roche had a serious case to answer. At the time the Italian prosecutor Pierguido Soprani was investigating three sports doctors, Francesco Conconi, Ilario Casoni and Giovanni Grazzi, on suspicion of administering doping products, namely the blood- boosting drug erythropoietin . Even by the perverse standards of doctors who dope athletes, this was an extraordinary case.
At the time Conconi was considered a world leader in sports science and was a member of the International Olympic Committee and the Italian Olympic Committee . Casoni and Grazzi were two of his associates and Grazzi happened to be team doctor to Carrera, the team of Stephen Roche. Acting in conjunction with the IOC and CONI, Professor Conconi was working to devise a urine drug test for EPO, which was then becoming a major performance enhancer.

During the 1993 Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Conconi gave a talk to IOC members that brought them up to date on his work to come up with an EPO test. He outlined how he had carried out controlled experiments on 23 amateur triathletes and athletes who, with their written consent, had been treated with EPO. Though progress had been made, Conconi admitted he had yet to come up with a definitive test.

That was 1993. Within four years, Soprani’s investigation into Conconi had begun. When Bologna police raided the University of Ferrara and seized Conconi’s files, they found what became known as “the EPO file”. This was the work with the 23 amateurs to find an EPO test. Except that there were no 23 amateurs. They were in fact elite professional athletes, six of whom were members of the Carrera cycling team. Roche was one of the six.

Not that a quick look at the EPO file would have told you that: Conconi gave aliases to his athlete collaborators, Roche was variously listed as Rocchi, Rocca, Roncati, Righi and Rossini. Speaking in a radio interview on Thursday, Roche claimed he did not know why these fictitious names were used. Judge Oliva had no difficulty working that out. But the use of bogus names was merely suspicious, the hard evidence was listed elsewhere in the EPO file.
Conconi listed the subject’s name, sex, sport and the date upon which the analysis was made. There was also a column that indicated whether or not the athlete was treated with EPO. On different occasions in relation to Roche, the answer was “S”, as in “Si”, Italian for yes. Conconi’s test tried to identify the rate of erythropoiesis and concentrated on the level of transferrin receptor. Anything over 3.1, suggested Conconi, would indicate the use of synthetic EPO. Roche is listed with a level of 5.5, the fifth-highest of the 23 athletes used in the study.
It is difficult to comprehend fully the scale of Conconi’s duplicity.

Funded by CONI and the IOC to come up with a test for EPO, he used that money to buy the drug, and then administered it to professional athletes for the purpose of performance enhancement. While being paid by the authorities to prevent doping, he was being paid by athletes for enabling them to dope.

The case against Conconi, Casoni and Grazzi was dropped because the investigation could not be completed within the five years allotted for such cases. In her report Judge Franca said while that was the correct decision legally, there was no doubt from the evidence that the three doctors were guilty of dispensing doping products. In her view the case against them was incontrovertible. Last week Roche said the doctors were acquitted but that was far from the case.

At the time that the seized Conconi files first became public, Roche offered this explanation for his involvement. “I met Conconi once, at the time I first joined the Carrera team, but after that I did all my blood tests for our team doctor, Giovanni Grazzi. I know Grazzi was based at the University of Ferrara and it’s possible that’s how I and teammates of mine have ended up in Conconi’s files. But Conconi cannot stand up and say I did this or I did that, because I never had anything to do with him.”

That explanation was unconvincing because it failed to deal with the highly suspicious use of aliases and the clear indications that Roche had been treated with EPO. Now the judge who presided over the case and had access to expert scientific evidence has come to the obvious conclusion: the three accused doctors were involved in a sophisticated doping scam.

In his insistence that he was not treated with EPO, Roche asked why he would use this drug in what was his last season in the peloton. It was, he claimed, his “goodbye” season, his long, leisurely goodbye to his peers and the sport. That does not tally with how well he rode in that final season; he finished 13th in the Tour de France and fourth in one of the race’s toughest mountain stages.

Working out the extent to which Judge Oliva’s report diminishes Roche’s reputation is far less clearcut than the actual verdict itself. Of course it damages him because an official judicial investigation concluded he used EPO. Yet it must also be stated that Roche’s greatest successes, his victories in the Giro d’Italia, Tour de France and World Championships came in 1987, when EPO did not exist.

Though one could easily contest Roche’s contention, expressed in a Thursday radio interview, that he has been “too modest at times”, one cannot argue with his belief that he was a very talented rider. He was a teenager when he won the Rás Tailteann but it was the cocky ease of the victory that was most impressive. RTE filmed the race and Roche performed for the cameras, waving to the crowds and doing interviews while the race was in progress.

We knew then he was a special talent, a view confirmed by his victory in the 1981 Paris to Nice race. He was then a first-year professional and people predicted he would be one of the big riders of his generation. That promise was gloriously realised in 1987 and, overall, Roche enjoyed a distinguished career.

Against that, he was involved in a sport that had a pervasive and dangerous doping culture. Many riders died in the early 1990s when few understood the risks of EPO abuse and even though some tried to speak openly about the culture, they were voices in the wilderness.

Roche’s reaction to the accusations against cycling was the traditional one: he denied its seriousness and often turned on those he saw as “nobodies who never won anything”.

What Roche couldn’t do was address cycling’s problem honestly because to do so would have diminished what he achieved. In that he is like many other cycling champions. This refusal might protect the memory of what they achieved but it lessens them as human beings. What is a victory in the Tour de France compared to the drug-related death of a former Tour winner, Marco Pantani, at age 34?

What are all the victories in the world when there are countless cyclists facing futures with certain health problems and a reduced life expectancy?

How could Roche read last week’s dreadful admissions of the Spanish rider Jesus Manzano and not feel that all those who have been in denial about cycling’s great problem have been significant contributors to the scourge? Manzano, who rode for the Kelme team, listed a catalogue of doping abuses that could so easily have cost him his life.

Cycling champions need to look beyond their own besmirched reputations.
 
Digger said:
There's numerous things you could say to that nonsense from Roche - however the notable thing about Paul's book is that he went out of his way to mention and name the riders he thought clean. He shared a room with Roche, and not once does he say he thought Roche was clean. He avoided talking about Kelly and Roche because he valued their friendship, yet didn't want to lie.
Kelly is ok with Kimmage these days when they meet...Roche is idiotic. Roche also said back when Kmmage wrote that book, that it was only the second rate riders who dope, and that the top riders would never risk it. Yet in the same article he said there will always be doping.
And to say he was not aware of doping back then - he rode with Carrera, La Redoute, Fagor, Ton ton Tapis...and he never encountered doping on those team. :rolleyes:

So this Paul Kimmage man, who is often praised for doing and saying stuff no-one dares, is guilty of doing exactly the same: keeping the omerta by not saying anything about people he actually cares about.

Wow, that is unexpected.
 
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So this Paul Kimmage man, who is often praised for doing and saying stuff no-one dares, is guilty of doing exactly the same: keeping the omerta by not saying anything about people he actually cares about.

Wow, that is unexpected.

Isn't omerta a whole lot more than two or three individual names?
 

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I must be wearing my muddy glasses today - "pretty obvious" how?

The guy is taking part in an interview and commenting on the subject himself.
None of it is new information - it's all basically re-hash...
How on earth is that "someone spilling the dirt"?

sorry, I should have made sure the sarcasm meter was on. Roche's campaign to clean up cycling via zipped jerseys and low socks looks even more trivial in light of this.
 

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