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The TdF riders are preparing for the mountains - but so too are the GIMPS !

Sep 17, 2012
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I was very impressed when I started watching the Dauphine on Eurosport to see the "public information" trailer for the TdF fronted by Chris Froome diplomatically requesting the public to treat riders with respect during le Tour - or anywhere else.

The words were softly uttered but the message was powerful as some infamous clips depicting bonkers "fans" chasing alongside screaming in riders ears were shown or publicity seeking idiots getting in the way to the extent that the riders had to lash out in self defence.

The film did not of course deal with the opposite end of the scale where we have "acceptable exhibitionism" as this could send out a mixed message. ie think of the marvelous old boy who dressed up as the devil for years or the cowboy racing his horse alongside the peloton, safely in the field of course . Generally this sort bring joy to all but do not interfere with the race. No encouragement needed for this, wonderful extroverts will always find a way.

However, this can be a fine line - I wasn't sure whether Dan Martin would be able to laugh about the giant Panda in Liege 2013 this side of his 40th birthday but I hear he now uses the photo on his Twitter account.

I hope the ad will have the desired effect but I very much doubt it. It has not been a problem in UK yet but who knows - the sport has become so popular now it's anyone's guess. I am not trying to play the amateur psychologist but I think the guys we want to discourage (and it seems 95% young men) fall into 3 broad types:

1) MUPPETS
Loony Wannabees. Typically young guys running alongside their personal heroes screaming in their ears. Often young cyclists themselves.

2) THONGS
Muppets as in 1 above plus male vanity - Often fit specimens who take the opportunity to show off their bodies in swimming trunks etc

Since making the original post a further suggestion has been made for
the category 2 deviant ie Narcissistic half naked Muppets in Thongs - just have to be PLONKERS.

3) GIMPS
Smart arses who dress up in joke or animal costumes so they can be "local heroes" forever amongst their mates

My proposition to deal with the problem is to use the power of language in order to ridicule and humiliate the idiots, along the lines of the old adage "Give a dog a bad name - and hang him" . If we can hi-jack or come up with appropriately contemptible titles for these people that fit the bill, act as a deterrent yet are acceptable for public broadcasting use by commentators it could have some effect. After all - young men are often vain and dread getting a bad nickname which could stay with them for years. Their only sensitivity is how they are perceived within their own little world.
In order for it to be effective the bad titles have to be funny or catchy in themselves of course in order to be effective.

The purpose of the exercise is to categorise this behaviour in order to establish a readily understood terminology. That way the downside for these idiots is the risk of getting a sticky label. Think of the way in which the term and concept "road rage" has changed the way in which magistrates deal with motorists who go beyond tooting their horn when angry and frustrated.
Taking Dan's Panda case for example, when girls meet him now maybe he's still chuffed to be "the guy who was on TV in the Panda suit". Maybe he wouldn't be so popular if they call him "the Gimp in the Panda suit"

My suggested terminology given above - should I hope, work internationally (who didn't see Pulp Fiction?) I hereby request further opinions /suggestions. I realise that there will be many other suggested solutions but please humour me and provide your preferred titles for the three categories. If people support the idea I would propose to submit something appropriate to the cycling press and TV cycling commentators as a suggestion. We don't have much time but it is do-able. We can do our best to make the British hill top stages a showpiece of spectator behaviour.

If you see someone on TV on top of Holme Moss decking a Giant Panda with a rugby tackle - it could be me......
 
May 24, 2010
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While I agree in principle with everything above I would add that some of the Gimps are now part of cycling folklore.

Didi the Devil started as a "Gimp" and is now one of the most famous parts of all the GT's and is sponsored to be there.

The Giant Panda that appeared last year as Dan martin won LBL, is now a "folk" figure and I believe fundraising for Dan Martins charities.

While I'm all for protecting the riders (well most of them :rolleyes: ) Lets not kill off a big part of what makes the sport the spectacle it is
 
Sep 17, 2012
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Ref Siriuscat's response, I recognise the "Joybringers" such as the old devil and have tried to take them out of the equation. As the subsequent posters point out the old boy knew where to draw the line. Dan Martin's Panda is a problem case, I confess I laughed too when he joined in the sprint 500m to go but I would have laughed even harder if someone had decked the Panda with 400m to go. Fact is, it was funny once but what will come next? The softly-softly approach isn't working (Zoncolan - Giro d'Italia?) hence the latest initiative by the Tour organisers ASO to distribute videos where star riders like Froome, Boonen, Degenkolb, Andy and Frank Schleck, Rodriguez and Voeckler are appealing to the public all over Europe to respect them and to be aware of the dangers of over excited fans/ publicity seekers getting too close. There is obviously concern going on at at high level in the sport and the gentle appeal by riders (orchestrated throughout Europe ) to the public is a tentative first step. I just don't think it will be enough. The powers that be in cycling are walking a tightrope, they cannot be seen to admonish the extreme fans any more than they can they can appeal to the grass roots of the sport to protect the riders.
 
Jun 9, 2010
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haha ;)
 
Jun 9, 2010
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Looks like Didi's sponsor is now GREENN FIT... IIRC Lukoil was his sponsor in the past
 
Sep 17, 2012
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Well I have to say I am pleased to see the Old Devil is still at it and most impressed by his bespoke "Tour de Suisse" trident and yes the Panda photo is funny. No sign of the Panda at Liege this year however, perhaps the Belgian cops had 3 or 4 guys in Panda suits locked up in the slammer during the last 10Km - I severely hope so.

I knew before I started with this one that although the underlying theme is serious there is a lot of funny stuff tangential to the main issue. Now can we forget the BLOODY PANDA and get on with the meat and veg?
 
By far the best one was the American in the moose helmet who always carried a US flag and waved it around.

Best because unlike all the others who go to crowd hotspots like hills, Mooseman went to the most remote parts of races where there was litteraly no one else in site.

Cyclists loved him too, Flecha stole his flag.
 
Sep 17, 2012
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OK I give in, I can see we'll have to recap all the funny stuff first before I get a word of sense back on this one - there is still time. No I don't remember the moose, or the Vikings -who intimidated Contador? Come on then, somebody must have the photos / links.........
 
Fibula said:
I was very impressed when I started watching the Dauphine on Eurosport to see the "public information" trailer for the TdF fronted by Chris Froome diplomatically requesting the public to treat riders with respect during le Tour - or anywhere else.

The words were softly uttered but the message was powerful as some infamous clips depicting bonkers "fans" chasing alongside screaming in riders ears were shown or publicity seeking idiots getting in the way to the extent that the riders had to lash out in self defence.

The film did not of course deal with the opposite end of the scale where we have "acceptable exhibitionism" as this could send out a mixed message. ie think of the marvelous old boy who dressed up as the devil for years or the cowboy racing his horse alongside the peloton, safely in the field of course . Generally this sort bring joy to all but do not interfere with the race. No encouragement needed for this, wonderful extroverts will always find a way.

However, this can be a fine line - I wasn't sure whether Dan Martin would be able to laugh about the giant Panda in Liege 2013 this side of his 40th birthday but I hear he now uses the photo on his Twitter account.

I hope the ad will have the desired effect but I very much doubt it. It has not been a problem in UK yet but who knows - the sport has become so popular now it's anyone's guess. I am not trying to play the amateur psychologist but I think the guys we want to discourage (and it seems 95% young men) fall into 3 broad types:

1) MUPPETS
Loony Wannabees. Typically young guys running alongside their personal heroes screaming in their ears. Often young cyclists themselves.

2) THONGS
Muppets as in 1 above plus male vanity - Often fit specimens who take the opportunity to show off their bodies in swimming trunks etc

3) GIMPS
Smart arses who dress up in joke or animal costumes so they can be "local heroes" forever amongst their mates

My proposition to deal with the problem is to use the power of language in order to ridicule and humiliate the idiots, along the lines of the old adage "Give a dog a bad name - and hang him" . If we can hi-jack or come up with appropriately contemptible titles for these people that fit the bill, act as a deterrent yet are acceptable for public broadcasting use by commentators it could have some effect. After all - young men are often vain and dread getting a bad nickname which could stay with them for years. Their only sensitivity is how they are perceived within their own little world.
In order for it to be effective the bad titles have to be funny or catchy in themselves of course in order to be effective.

The purpose of the exercise is to categorise this behaviour in order to establish a readily understood terminology. That way the downside for these idiots is the risk of getting a sticky label. Think of the way in which the term and concept "road rage" has changed the way in which magistrates deal with motorists who go beyond tooting their horn when angry and frustrated.
Taking Dan's Panda case for example, when girls meet him now maybe he's still chuffed to be "the guy who was on TV in the Panda suit". Maybe he wouldn't be so popular if they call him "the Gimp in the Panda suit"

My suggested terminology given above - should I hope, work internationally (who didn't see Pulp Fiction?) I hereby request further opinions /suggestions. I realise that there will be many other suggested solutions but please humour me and provide your preferred titles for the three categories. If people support the idea I would propose to submit something appropriate to the cycling press and TV cycling commentators as a suggestion. We don't have much time but it is do-able. We can do our best to make the British hill top stages a showpiece of spectator behaviour.

If you see someone on TV on top of Holme Moss decking a Giant Panda with a rugby tackle - it could be me......

Something like this does need to happen, there is a fine line between adding to the spectacle and being nothing but an annoyance. One example: I was watching some highlights of the '09 Giro a few days ago and the peloton was strung out heading in to the last 2-3 km when a spectator leaned out and splashed a full bottle of water straight into the face of the rider on the front. At 50kmh+. I don't think I need to explain to anyone why that shouldn't be happening, it had the potential to be 10x worse than the Zoncolan a few weeks ago.

The sooner a derogatory term for people like this catches on, the better IMO.
 
Sep 17, 2012
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Thanks 42X16

Since making the original post a further suggestion has been made for
the category 2 deviant ie Narcissistic half naked Muppets in Thongs - just have to be PLONKERS.

Anyone agree or want to suggest anything else?
 
Jun 9, 2014
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Let's face it, the entire sport is pretty irresponsible from top to bottom. Some of the things the team cars do is just insane. I saw a clip from (IIRC) Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne a couple of years ago that showed a rider lying on his side on the road with cars rolling past him on the left and right at once, through huge puddles of water that showered him each time. If he tried to roll out of the way they'd have literally rolled right over his head.

Crowded mountain tops don't need to equate to danger. Exhibit no 1 is Angry Ru 2013. There's nothing else like that in sport.
 
Sep 17, 2012
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dduff442 - There is no denying it's a dangerous sport, always has been always will be. The behaviour of riders within the peloton and of the team cars and convoy is 100% their own business and beyond the scope of the current discussion. What is clear is that mountain crowds are getting bigger and the perception is that the behaviour of the wilder fans is becoming increasingly of concern. Why else has the present safety warning come out now?

If you think the example clip you cite from the Vuelta 2013 is supposed to reassure us that nothing needs fixing I would have to disagree. Seeing it afresh I found it alarming just how many Muppets running alongside there were and it being Spain, how many of them seemed to wave flags in the riders faces like demented Torreadors on speed. I know the camera foreshortening may have exaggerated the proximity but it is still remarkable no-one was brought down. You had to feel sorry for the riders. Anyone who has ridden at a high level on a long climb knows that when you are hanging on by a thread the slightest bump, surprise or distraction can break your rhythm and concentration. Seeing that clip simply reinforced my concerns and increased my admiration for the pros putting up with it all.
 
Sep 17, 2012
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I posted this thread two weeks before UK start of the Tour and whereas the race has not been significantly affected by the usual problems of young MUPPETS running alongside riders on climbs and mercifully few PLONKERS (MUPPETS IN THONGS) what has emerged however is a whole new problem groups with people turning their back on the race to take "Selfies" with camera phones. At the moment the message that cyclists themselves are sending out on this is mixed. What is required urgently is a new derogatory term for such actions in the specific context of spectating at cycle racing in order to send out a clear message to the occasional spectator. Has anyone got any bright ideas for this? I had considered AWCS (A-seholes with Cameras) but it's a bit tortuous. Best I can come up with is GOONIES (since the subject's face becomes prominently moonlike in the foreground of shot) Sadly neither seem catchy enough to take off. ANYBODY GOT ANY BETTER IDEAS?
 
Armchair cyclist said:
I think a measured campaign of information as to why this is dangerous and irresponsible is rather more important, and fr more effective, than trying to make up a new word.

Yes, I'm a little confused by all this "systematic" coining of names for these people. It will do nothing to help the problem.
 
Nov 26, 2012
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Quite often, the so-called passive crowds lined up in the sides do more harm than lunatics running in underwear.
when the crowd reduce the width of the road, it does create problems for riders. there are so many times when a rider behind the leader is unable to attack because of crowd blocking his way. wht do u call such crowds: lunatic walls?
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i dont think tht name calling is going to help anything. more will come from responsible fans reigning in irresponsible brats in the roadside. I really dont know how many of these fans are coming to watch racing for the first time. many might be simply ignorant abt the dos and the donts. As armchair cyclist said, we need massive info campaigns. they could even put Dos and Donts stickers along the route.

the few lunatics, who come & interrupt race for TV, shud be jailed for public nuisance. if the race organizers+local police do it consistently for two years, the idiots will stop.
 
Arnout said:
Where is the devil? Can't remember when I last saw him, but certainly not during the last Giro.

He was on the road yesterday but near the start, Kirby spotted him and started talking about him.
The Hitch said:
By far the best one was the American in the moose helmet who always carried a US flag and waved it around.

Best because unlike all the others who go to crowd hotspots like hills, Mooseman went to the most remote parts of races where there was litteraly no one else in site.

Cyclists loved him too, Flecha stole his flag.

OGE had him on a backstage pass episode saying some really funny stuff. The guy is a nutter but also very funny. The Greenedge DS's were literally peeing themselves with laughter.
 
There's no real problem with someone (who most likely has a fleeting and very causal interest) coming along to watch the spectacle and taking a safe selfie. Bit different if they step into the road to do it though.

There was a piece by the British journalist Alex Thomson saying that, at the stage he saw, people really enjoyed the occasion even though, as he put it, few around him understood the nuances of cycling and even fewer cared.

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/democratic-spectacle-close-tour/7978

It was good to see old Didi waving his trident yesterday.
 

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