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The tide has turned

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The tide has turned - the US Media

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrongs-hunter_b_591660.html

the media ha finally turned the corner

there is an old truth that politicians and athletes tend to learn too late: "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up." Few seasoned sports fans will be surprised in the coming months and years when we see all too clearly that the corporate fairy tale of American cycling - buoyed by the support of millions of self-deluded fans who bought into the myth - appears to have been built on lies.

As a journalist who for the better part of two years made regular jaunts to a San Francisco federal courtroom and watched countless athletes dragged through the BALCO steroids scandal, I can't help noting how celebrity jocks keep failing to learn this lesson.

Memo to Lance: Drug investigations are built on the testimony and evidence of men and women who take drugs. They are rarely nice people. They often lie, in part or in whole, but their testimony often leads to snaring the big fish.
 
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tubularglue said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/lance-armstrongs-hunter_b_591660.html

the media ha finally turned the corner

there is an old truth that politicians and athletes tend to learn too late: "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up." Few seasoned sports fans will be surprised in the coming months and years when we see all too clearly that the corporate fairy tale of American cycling - buoyed by the support of millions of self-deluded fans who bought into the myth - appears to have been built on lies.

As a journalist who for the better part of two years made regular jaunts to a San Francisco federal courtroom and watched countless athletes dragged through the BALCO steroids scandal, I can't help noting how celebrity jocks keep failing to learn this lesson.

Memo to Lance: Drug investigations are built on the testimony and evidence of men and women who take drugs. They are rarely nice people. They often lie, in part or in whole, but their testimony often leads to snaring the big fish.

Huffington Post is not a great source to cite, it's a bunch of bloggers. Most of the mainstream media I have seen still are singing the same tune.
 
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WHat if Lance Armstomg is Lying

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=howard/100528

Armstrong would be guilty of conning everyone who has used his stirring example or best-selling autobiography as a blueprint for confronting cancer in their lives.

He'd level a blow of unfathomable cruelty to the millions of survivors of the disease in the United States alone whom Armstrong often invokes -- sometimes with tears welling up in his eyes -- as the "silent army" that helped him soldier on from one cycling victory to the next.

Until conclusive proof of his guilt surfaces, Armstrong's denials deserve to be respected. Not because he says he's innocent -- they all say that -- but because lying about his case, given the special constituency he has, would be reprehensible.
 
tubularglue said:
Few seasoned sports fans will be surprised in the coming months and years when we see all too clearly that the corporate fairy tale of American cycling - buoyed by the support of millions of self-deluded fans who bought into the myth - appears to have been built on lies.

Oh no... Never question the myth!

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Huffington Post is not a great source to cite, it's a bunch of bloggers. Most of the mainstream media I have seen still are singing the same tune.

A bunch of bloggers with great reach.
 
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tubularglue said:
WHat if Lance Armstomg is Lying

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=howard/100528

Armstrong would be guilty of conning everyone who has used his stirring example or best-selling autobiography as a blueprint for confronting cancer in their lives.

He'd level a blow of unfathomable cruelty to the millions of survivors of the disease in the United States alone whom Armstrong often invokes -- sometimes with tears welling up in his eyes -- as the "silent army" that helped him soldier on from one cycling victory to the next.

Until conclusive proof of his guilt surfaces, Armstrong's denials deserve to be respected. Not because he says he's innocent -- they all say that -- but because lying about his case, given the special constituency he has, would be reprehensible.

Disagree. You tell me a guy who had very little chance of living coming back on EPO or not beating the best cyclists also on EPO or not is still not a great vicory from cancer. I don't think the cancer victims would care about the EPO if that is the case - they may want Dr Ferrari to come help them.
 

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Disagree. You tell me a guy who had very little chance of living coming back on EPO or not beating the best cyclists also on EPO or not is still not a great vicory from cancer. I don't think the cancer victims would care about the EPO if that is the case - they may want Dr Ferrari to come help them.

Actually, I think this is a great point, and Pharmstrong will definitely use this strategy to try to avoid going to prison. Because most people have the memories of gnats, they'll forget all of his protestations about being clean and will rationalize that they had to pump tons of poisonous chemo through their systems just to survive. They'll rationalize that the whole idea is performance enhancement anyway. With the widespread use of other performance enhancers like Viagra, Cialis, Testosterone and other hormone therapies, he just might get away with it.

I do think your argument is weakened somewhat, when one realizes that Pharmstrong's massive unrefined program of PED use probably gave him cancer to begin with .
 
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The tide on these boards has sure turned as well. I haven't posted on a cycling board for 8-10 years. The lengths I used to go to explaining how dirty the pro peloton is, Lance included, and holy s!!t and wails of protest that would erupt was unreal.
It's good to see that people have awakened and are discussing something much closer to the reality.