Tondo's accident

[JMBeaushrimp]

I predicted, a while ago, some "accidents" befalling some of the whistleblowers.

Anyone find this a bit sketchy?

And to the more forum savy - can anyone find the prediction (I can't figure out how search threads/posts)...

 

[Benotti69]

I predicted, a while ago, some "accidents" befalling some of the whistleblowers.

Anyone find this a bit sketchy?

And to the more forum savy - can anyone find the prediction (I can't figure out how search threads/posts)...

2 posters have tried to start a thread on such a topic but have been closed.

Sad thing is Tondo lost his life and knowing how the Spanish work in reference to doping we will never know if it was anything more than an accident.

 

[sniper]

I find this very sketchy indeed.

seriously, I'm not horny for conspiracies, but this is too wicked.

btw. somebody opened a thread on this a couple of days ago, but it was closed by a moderator almost immediately.

 

[hrotha]

Did you even read the description of what happened. This is ***.

 

[sniper]

I did.
How do you get stuck between your car and the garage door in the first place?
And then: how do you die from that?

 

[Anonymous]

I predicted, a while ago, some "accidents" befalling some of the whistleblowers.

Anyone find this a bit sketchy?

And to the more forum savy - can anyone find the prediction (I can't figure out how search threads/posts)...

JV does.....

Jonathan Vaughters
@Vaughters Jonathan Vaughters
@Hunter543 ...I wrote that 3 months ago. I certainly hope he wasn't killed.

 

[hrotha]

I did.
How do you get stuck between your car and the garage door in the first place?
And then: how do you die from that?

So what you're suggesting is that it wasn't the car? Did Intxausti kill him or did he just make up the story to cover up the real murderers?

Also, JV was replying to someone who suggested Tondo's death might not have been accidental. That's why JV said that, to clarify that's not what he meant by his first tweet.

 

[sniper]

So what you're suggesting is that it wasn't the car? Did Intxausti kill him or did he just make up the story to cover up the real murderers?

Also, JV was replying to someone who suggested Tondo's death might not have been accidental. That's why JV said that, to clarify that's not what he meant by his first tweet.

As far as I know,

It is still unclear precisely how the accident took place

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/xavier-tondo-dies-in-domestic-accident

Are you saying Intxausti saw the accident happening?

 

[GotDropped]

Everyone, STFU.

http://tinyurl.com/3szqydt

http://tinyurl.com/3zxse8f

FROM SECOND URL:
Mientras Rojas y Valverde pedaleaban, Tondo e Intxausti bajaron al garaje y montaron en el coche, la Renault Space del catalán, que conducía. Lo sacaba marcha atrás, sin darse cuenta de que la puerta del garaje, que se abría de fuera hacia adentro, se había atascado. Escucharon un ruido y se bajaron ambos. La puerta de Xavi se quedó abierta. Y el freno de mano sin echar. Nadie se explica cómo, pero el vehículo cayó hacia atrás y el cuello de Tondo quedó atrapado entre las dos puertas. No está claro si la muerte fue inmediata o porque se desangró.

Translation:
While Rojas and Velverde where riding, Tondo and Intxausti when to the garage and got in the car, the Renault Space owned by the catalan (Tondo) who was driving. He was reversing out, without realising that the garage door, which opened from outside to inside, was stuck. They heard a noise and both of the got out of the car. Xavi's door stayed open, and the park brake was not activated. No-one can explain how, but the vehicle rolled backwards and Tondo's neck got stuck between both doors. Now one is sure if the death was immediate, or if he bled to death. (then they go on to talk about the autopsy which will be done today).

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So Beñat Intxausti was there, and saw everything, and is devastated. So let's stop talking BS. It was a freak accident that could happen to anyone.

 

[sniper]

Everyone, STFU.

http://tinyurl.com/3szqydt

http://tinyurl.com/3zxse8f

FROM SECOND URL:
Mientras Rojas y Valverde pedaleaban, Tondo e Intxausti bajaron al garaje y montaron en el coche, la Renault Space del catalán, que conducía. Lo sacaba marcha atrás, sin darse cuenta de que la puerta del garaje, que se abría de fuera hacia adentro, se había atascado. Escucharon un ruido y se bajaron ambos. La puerta de Xavi se quedó abierta. Y el freno de mano sin echar. Nadie se explica cómo, pero el vehículo cayó hacia atrás y el cuello de Tondo quedó atrapado entre las dos puertas. No está claro si la muerte fue inmediata o porque se desangró.

Translation:
While Rojas and Velverde where riding, Tondo and Intxausti when to the garage and got in the car, the Renault Space owned by the catalan (Tondo) who was driving. He was reversing out, without realising that the garage door, which opened from outside to inside, was stuck. They heard a noise and both of the got out of the car. Xavi's door stayed open, and the park brake was not activated. No-one can explain how, but the vehicle rolled backwards and Tondo's neck got stuck between both doors. Now one is sure if the death was immediate, or if he bled to death. (then they go on to talk about the autopsy which will be done today).

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So Beñat Intxausti was there, and saw everything, and is devastated. So let's stop talking BS. It was a freak accident that could happen to anyone.

... what are the odds of this happening to a whistleblower?
one in a million?

 

[hrotha]

... what are the odds of this happening to a whistleblower?
one in a million?

About the same of this happening to anyone else. Are you kidding me? After reading that, you still have to stick to the conspiranoia?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Before I get jumped on, let me make it completely clear that I'm taking his tragic death completely seriously. It's a sad loss for his friends and family, for Spain, and for cycling in general. No one wants to see a premature end to a gifted life.

It just strikes me as a bit too coincidental after the Girona affair and its potential powerful connections. As Carl Jung said, "there are no coincidences"...

 

[Anonymous]

Everyone, STFU.

http://tinyurl.com/3szqydt

http://tinyurl.com/3zxse8f

FROM SECOND URL:
Mientras Rojas y Valverde pedaleaban, Tondo e Intxausti bajaron al garaje y montaron en el coche, la Renault Space del catalán, que conducía. Lo sacaba marcha atrás, sin darse cuenta de que la puerta del garaje, que se abría de fuera hacia adentro, se había atascado. Escucharon un ruido y se bajaron ambos. La puerta de Xavi se quedó abierta. Y el freno de mano sin echar. Nadie se explica cómo, pero el vehículo cayó hacia atrás y el cuello de Tondo quedó atrapado entre las dos puertas. No está claro si la muerte fue inmediata o porque se desangró.

Translation:
While Rojas and Velverde where riding, Tondo and Intxausti when to the garage and got in the car, the Renault Space owned by the catalan (Tondo) who was driving. He was reversing out, without realising that the garage door, which opened from outside to inside, was stuck. They heard a noise and both of the got out of the car. Xavi's door stayed open, and the park brake was not activated. No-one can explain how, but the vehicle rolled backwards and Tondo's neck got stuck between both doors. Now one is sure if the death was immediate, or if he bled to death. (then they go on to talk about the autopsy which will be done today).

---

So Beñat Intxausti was there, and saw everything, and is devastated. So let's stop talking BS. It was a freak accident that could happen to anyone.

Well that settles it then. GotDropped told us not to ask any further questions. I'm satisfied.

 

[hrotha]

Before I get jumped on, let me make it completely clear that I'm taking his tragic death completely seriously. It's a sad loss for his friends and family, for Spain, and for cycling in general. No one wants to see a premature end to a gifted life.

It just strikes me as a bit too coincidental after the Girona affair and its potential powerful connections. As Carl Jung said, "there are no coincidences"...

So Tondo busts a small fry doping ring (and it was small fry), and then someone decides to try to kill him in a most unreliable manner by messing with his garage door and/or his car months after the fact and in a place that wasn't his house? Does this really sound more plausible to you than "**** happens"? Seriously?

 

[sniper]

About the same of this happening to anyone else. Are you kidding me? After reading that, you still have to stick to the conspiranoia?

After I read what?

Nadie se explica cómo,

This bit?

ok, that was taken out of context.

You convinced me that a conspiracy-scenario is just as unlikely, but still, the whistleblower....
Who knows which other lifes were at stake if Tondo had been given the opportunity to speak out?

 

[hrotha]

After I read what?



This bit?

ok, that was taken out of context.

You convinced me that a conspiracy-scenario is just as unlikely, but still, the whistleblower....
Who knows which other lifes were at stake if Tondo had been given the opportunity to speak out?

"Nadie se explica cómo" just means "No one is sure how it happened yet", it doesn't mean it's an X-File. Note the handbrake wasn't pulled. If the floor wasn't level, it can happen. As a way to try to kill someone it's still ridiculously convoluted.

 

[sniper]

ok. I'll drop it, cuz I think you're right.
With Intxausti there as a witness I agree that murder is unlikely.

 

[GotDropped]

After I read what?



This bit?

Are you daft? "Nadie se explica como," is literally transalted as "No-one can explain how" but in the context they are referring to how the car began to roll backwards. But it is obvious... ¿your car has never rolled when you haven't applied the park brake and two people get out? And watch the video, there is a slight downward slope until the sidewalk...

And, for those who have never been to Spain, under the residencial buildings there are usually comunal garages, and you can clearly see that this was a comunal garage. So, if there was a conspiracy, Beñat Intxausti is lying, the comunal garage door was tampered with and they got lucky in the Tondo forgot to apply that park brake, and... he got his neck stuck between the two doors. As I said before, and sorry for being rude... but STFU.


EDIT: OK, you edited as I was typing, and made reference to it being taken out of context... but believe me, as corrupt as Spain may be (I live here, I should know), this was just a freak accident and will probably scar Beñat for life.

 

[hrotha]

After I read what?



This bit?

ok, that was taken out of context.

You convinced me that a conspiracy-scenario is just as unlikely, but still, the whistleblower....
Who knows which other lifes were at stake if Tondo had been given the opportunity to speak out?

What about the whistleblower? The ring he busted was inconsequential, so I'm going to assume you mean more powerful and dangerous guys worked with Movistar/Cervélo and didn't want Tondo to eventually speak about them. Is that your angle? Because there's zero evidence for it. Might as well explain every single death as a conspiracy.

 

[sniper]

Are you daft? "Nadie se explica como," is literally transalted as "No-one can explain how" but in the context they are referring to how the car began to roll backwards. But it is obvious... ¿your car has never rolled when you haven't applied the park brake and two people get out? And watch the video, there is a slight downward slope until the sidewalk...

And, for those who have never been to Spain, under the residencial buildings there are usually comunal garages, and you can clearly see that this was a comunal garage. So, if there was a conspiracy, Beñat Intxausti is lying, the comunal garage door was tampered with and they got lucky in the Tondo forgot to apply that park brake, and... he got his neck stuck between the two doors. As I said before, and sorry for being rude... but STFU.

just here to discuss, dude, not to get yelled at.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

So Tondo busts a small fry doping ring (and it was small fry), and then someone decides to try to kill him in a most unreliable manner by messing with his garage door and/or his car months after the fact and in a place that wasn't his house? Does this really sound more plausible to you than "**** happens"? Seriously?

No, it doesn't... I just happened to hear this while working, and with the goings-on of the the last month, it sounded suspicious and fired up my tinfoil hat.

Having a brief moment to look at some of the details, it does sound like a terrible and 'flukey' accident.

I regret starting this thread, 'cause I'm only going to come out of it looking a crack-pot d*uchebag.

Bearing that in mind, I'm still holding to my prediction...

 

[sniper]

What about the whistleblower? The ring he busted was inconsequential, so I'm going to assume you mean more powerful and dangerous guys worked with Movistar/Cervélo and didn't want Tondo to eventually speak about them. Is that your angle? Because there's zero evidence for it. Might as well explain every single death as a conspiracy.

see my previous post. you convinced me. and I do thank you for that, cuz my spanish is not all that great. And the article that is still on the cyclingnews.com about tondo doesn't provide these details.

 

[GotDropped]

just here to discuss, dude, not to get yelled at.

Ok, sorry for being rude, but I live in the same town as Beñat Intxausti, and Tondo rode in Amateurs in the same team as me (albeit a year or two later), so people around here know him. The details are there, it was a freak accident that people are still comming to terms with. Lets just hope Beñat gets through this one...

 

[euanli]

Is it clear yet if Tondo was training with Piti or not? Initial articles said he was, then he wasn't and the one quoted above refers to Piti training while Tondo goes to get his car.

 

[hrotha]

see my previous post. you convinced me. and I do thank you for that, cuz my spanish is not all that great. And the article that is still on the cyclingnews.com about tondo doesn't provide these details.

Fair enough then. I deleted a post I made after I saw you edited the post I was replying to, but I didn't see your newest post when I wrote that.

Is it clear yet if Tondo was training with Piti or not? Initial articles said he was, then he wasn't and the one quoted above refers to Piti training while Tondo goes to get his car.

Tondo and Intxausti were taking the car to meet with Valverde, Samu and (I think) Barredo and join them in a training ride.