Tour de France Tour de France 2025: who will win the race?

[Logic-is-your-friend]

... but you can make a results based argument that Vingegaard can beat Pogacar, hence the gaps in likelihood ratings.

Can you? The last time he beat Pogacar straight up without either of them having a disturbed prep up was 3 years ago after they tag-teamed him, before Pogacar changed his trainer. Since then (him changing trainers), it's been a very one-sided affair. So assuming Vingegaard "can" beat him because he did some point in time, i don't know how relevant that is at this stage. Since that moment, all of UAE seems to have levelled up, while all of Visma seems to have levelled down.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You might be right, given that implicit bias is inherently unconscious ...

We used to have much more superficial discussion, two days before the Tour, the deepens is real.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Since that moment, all of UAE seems to have levelled up, while all of Visma seems to have levelled down.

I tend to agree for UAE as for Visma i am not all that sure. They just didn't level up any more, unless they plan to for the Tour.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Besides Pog probably Robert Plant in royalties each time they play Ship of Fools during a Peacock commercial break again. (I never do tire of that song, though.)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPyPT7fb0-Q&t=19s

 

[Ilmaestro99]

My predicted podium

1. Pocagar
2. Vingegard
3. Gall
4. Lippipotamus
5. Remco


My desired podium:

1. Vauguelin
2. Foss
3. Roglic

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Can you? The last time he beat Pogacar straight up without either of them having a disturbed prep up was 3 years ago after they tag-teamed him, before Pogacar changed his trainer. Since then (him changing trainers), it's been a very one-sided affair. So assuming Vingegaard "can" beat him because he did some point in time, i don't know how relevant that is at this stage. Since that moment, all of UAE seems to have levelled up, while all of Visma seems to have levelled down.

If you watch the interviews either Vingegaard, Remco, and Roglic, I think they agree with our assessment over yours. Unless they’re misdirecting.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Can you? The last time he beat Pogacar straight up without either of them having a disturbed prep up was 3 years ago after they tag-teamed him, before Pogacar changed his trainer. Since then (him changing trainers), it's been a very one-sided affair. So assuming Vingegaard "can" beat him because he did some point in time, i don't know how relevant that is at this stage. Since that moment, all of UAE seems to have levelled up, while all of Visma seems to have levelled down.

Disturbed prep is part of the game. What remains is the past 4 years they are 2-2 head to head and that includes Pogacar's win in 2021 where Vingegaard started the race riding in support of Roglic. No other rider has made the 3rd step on the podium more than once in that time. The two are heads above the rest. Of course it's bike racing and easy for something to happen that effects the outcome and has us back here next year having the same argument all over again.

 

[Peyroteo94]

My predicted podium

1. Pocagar
2. Vingegard
3. Gall
4. Lippipotamus
5. Remco


My desired podium:

1. Vauguelin
2. Foss
3. Roglic

I'm afraid Vauguelin will not win.

 

[Boehmand]

My mind says Pogacar
My patriotic emotions say Vingegaard
My cycling romantic heart says Roglic

 

[Froome]

Jonas Vingegaard.

 

[Cookster15]

1. Pogacar
2. Vingegaard
5. Remco
4. Roglic
3. Almeida

 

[Netserk]

Today is an example of why the gap is after Vingegaard, not Evenepoel.

 

[Red Rick]

Today is an example of why the gap is after Vingegaard, not Evenepoel.

Hard to believe anyone seriously doubted this.

 

[Netserk]

Hard to believe anyone seriously doubted this.

... And yet!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Hard to believe anyone seriously doubted this.

Go to the Remco's thread and you find a lot of people.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Forty years after Hinault it's time another French winner. This is boding well for Vauquelin.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Forty years after Hinault it's time another French winner. This is boding well for Vauquelin.

Almeida has him right where he wants him.