Dno.jmdirt said:It seems that racers are having good days followed by bad days, and/or bad days followed by good days at TdS. Is this a sign of cleaner racers?
I'm not sure the French are doping, IIRC doping is now a criminal offence in France and it could land them prison time if they're caught.Irondan said:They're all doping in one form or another, why would the Tour de Suisse be any different?
It is Astana, so it's more than likely. But it seems people are unaware that he has a really good TT.Breh said:Lopez beats Cancellara
Says more about Cancellara than it does about López.Breh said:Lopez beats Cancellara
Well, the course had a few lumps in it and FC isn't the crono monster he once was.Breh said:Lopez beats Cancellara
And Kelderman, Talansky, Castroviejo, Van Garderen, Thomas and so on.BigMac said:Says more about Cancellara than it does about López.Breh said:Lopez beats Cancellara
The only reason that people are "unaware" that he has a "really good TT" is because prior to today he only finished once in a top-10 of an ITT as a pro (outside of the Nationals). And that was in a race where the winner had an average speed of 12 km/h slower than today.AlexNYC said:It is Astana, so it's more than likely. But it seems people are unaware that he has a really good TT.Breh said:Lopez beats Cancellara
This reminds me of Quintana in the TT in País Vasco in 2013.roundabout said:The only reason that people are "unaware" that he has a "really good TT" is because prior to today he only finished once in a top-10 of an ITT as a pro (outside of the Nationals). And that was in a race where the winner had an average speed of 12 km/h slower than today.AlexNYC said:It is Astana, so it's more than likely. But it seems people are unaware that he has a really good TT.Breh said:Lopez beats Cancellara
He was a neopro last year, and this year he hasn't been that great until TdS. I don't think looking at his stats as a pro is all that useful. He was already a very good TTer as an amateur, so it is to be expected that he will get a lot better as a pro, where he will have much better resources.roundabout said:The only reason that people are "unaware" that he has a "really good TT" is because prior to today he only finished once in a top-10 of an ITT as a pro (outside of the Nationals). And that was in a race where the winner had an average speed of 12 km/h slower than today.AlexNYC said:It is Astana, so it's more than likely. But it seems people are unaware that he has a really good TT.Breh said:Lopez beats Cancellara
Would like some clarification... Do you mean that all French citizens caught doping face criminal prosecution in France, regardless of which country the offense occured, or that anyone caught doping on French territory faces prosecution?CheckMyPecs said:I'm not sure the French are doping, IIRC doping is now a criminal offence in France and it could land them prison time if they're caught.Irondan said:They're all doping in one form or another, why would the Tour de Suisse be any different?
Please will you explain how "they are all doping" squares with this text that you may recognise. I think we need some help with the rules.Irondan said:They're all doping in one form or another, why would the Tour de Suisse be any different?
That they are all doping is certainly a common view but I am still surprised to see you in particular state it so blandly. It is not the kind of "common knowledge" that Mr Benson was referring to and which you have now adopted yourself.Proof of point, opinions, and common knowledge: you can't just say "we know Bobby the Bod is doping". You have to provide some proof using linked sources or verifiable material. Or, you can just state "in my opinion". If, on the other hand, it is in the realm of "common knowledge", then it is acceptable to make an unverified statement. Be careful - common knowledge would apply, for instance, at the time of this posting, to Lance Armstrong. But allegations of current doping, and current riders, would not be "common knowledge" at this point. To be common knowledge, the "fact" has to have been published, widely read, and widely agreed with. This point is particularly applicable in The Clinic.
Jaques AnquetilYou have to be an imbecile or a hypocrite to imagine that a professional cyclist who rides 235 days a year can hold himself together without stimulants
let's not forget we have 2nd tier climbers here at best, lots of youngsters, no clear favorites, no firm control of the race... and in these conditions even Skyborgs rust away, see their record at the GiroValv.Piti said:Dno.jmdirt said:It seems that racers are having good days followed by bad days, and/or bad days followed by good days at TdS. Is this a sign of cleaner racers?
Lets remember this was 3 MTF's in a row in very bad weather. Rain and cold. When you are this skinny, it points more to that than to more doping/less doping or whatever.