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Trailer for the new documentary on Paul Kimmage

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horsinabout

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Looks like a worthy watch this. Kimmage should come and have a chat on here, better that than JV1973.

He needs to tell the trut and nothing but the trut...
 
RobbieCanuck

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It will do a lot of damage to McQuaid's reputation in Ireland when it is shown on TV. Hopefully other broadcasters will buy it
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Are you saying McQuaid's reputation in Ireland is secure? I recognize that Cycling Ireland nominated McQuaid, and this would indicate a certain level of confidence by senior cycling administrators in Ireland.

But the rest of the cycling world has been clamoring for McQuaid's head based on his totally inept handling of the doping issues and the Armstrong case in particular.

Surely cycling fans in Ireland are not so isolated they cannot grasp the disaster that would result if McQuaid was again elected as President. Surely they don't have to wait for a documentary to be aired before they understand the seriousness of the problem? Or is that the problem? Are the Irish really blind to his incompetence?

Just asking.
 
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I hope this documentary makes it stateside! I was really struck with Leipheimer and Hincapie sitting there (Hincapie smirking), as Armstrong tore into Kimmage. Hope their 6 month suspensions weren't too much to bare. (Although to be fair, Hincrappy retired and Levi might as well).
 
ruamruam

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RobbieCanuck said:
Are you saying McQuaid's reputation in Ireland is secure? I recognize that Cycling Ireland nominated McQuaid, and this would indicate a certain level of confidence by senior cycling administrators in Ireland.

But the rest of the cycling world has been clamoring for McQuaid's head based on his totally inept handling of the doping issues and the Armstrong case in particular.

Surely cycling fans in Ireland are not so isolated they cannot grasp the disaster that would result if McQuaid was again elected as President. Surely they don't have to wait for a documentary to be aired before they understand the seriousness of the problem? Or is that the problem? Are the Irish really blind to his incompetence?

Just asking.
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I was talking about the general public who know very little about how cycling is governed. Most Irish people would only have a vague idea of who McQuaid is if they know of him at all. I am not sure who is funding this documentary but it if airs on RTE, the national broadcaster it will damage his reputation with the general public.

I think there was a feeling in the upper echelons of Irish cycling that McQuaid could deliver some goodies for Irish cycling, it was based on local issues rather than the greater good of cycling.

Most Irish cyclists if they have an opinion on McQuaid don't like him and would like to see him go. In my club I have not had a conversation with anyone who would defend McQuaid and have had plenty of conversations with ones who have no time for him. I have to admit most couldn't care less either way. They just want to cycle their bikes

I have also noticed a changing attitude to McQuaid from the mainstream media. A few years ago he was treated with respect as an Irish person who has done well for himself. Since the Armstrong downfall he is perceived like a corrupt politician. He used to be interviewed on an irregular basis on Irish radio and the drugs issue would come up and he would gloss over it saying how much he is doing to fight the scourge. The interviewers would let him spout his rubbish without challenging him. The more recent interviews are more robust and he is being challenged more. With all the new information out there now the journalists are armed with much more ammunition.

You asked are the Irish people blind to his incompetence. I think McQuaid is a very capable person its just a pity he uses his abilities in the way he does. He is a very ambitious dogged individual. Wouldn't world cycling be in a much better place if McQuaid used his ambition/doggedness to promote a clean drug free cycling. I think many people on this site who accuse McQuaid of incompetence confuse incompetence with corruption.
 
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Schwartzchov

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It would appear Cycling Ireland have made a booboo.

There might be a ray of hope.....
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You can say that again. It may be a booboo for the better. But its highly likely that he will be nominated again, this time through proper procedure.
 
ruamruam

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You can say that again. It may be a booboo for the better. But its highly likely that he will be nominated again, this time through proper procedure.
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I fear that you are right. And with Moran's resignation from the board over the nomination that will be one less vote against McQuaid. In hindsight it is a pity he resigned when he did.
 
Benotti69

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I would not be surpised if Betsy made Tygart ring the Cycling Ireland guys and gave them advance warning of what is coming down the line for McQuaid.
 
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And with Moran's resignation from the board over the nomination that will be one less vote against McQuaid. In hindsight it is a pity he resigned when he did.
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How very true. And it's a real tragedy that the UCI put a gagging order on Kimmage.
 
DirtyWorks

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I fear that you are right. And with Moran's resignation from the board over the nomination that will be one less vote against McQuaid. In hindsight it is a pity he resigned when he did.
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Why? His cohorts didn't want to change a thing. What would be the point of being the lone voice of reason in that environment? It's going to effect most business the board handles going forward. After a while, it's just not a mentally healthy thing to do.

Back on topic, I finally watched the trailer. I hope they don't somehow switch the story to cover the race more than Kimmage's story. Kimmage's story is documentary gold as the trailer shows so very well. The movie could be bigger than Hamilton's book, which I completely underestimated.
 
ruamruam

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Why? His cohorts didn't want to change a thing. What would be the point of being the lone voice of reason in that environment? It's going to effect most business the board handles going forward. After a while, it's just not a mentally healthy thing to do.

Back on topic, I finally watched the trailer. I hope they don't somehow switch the story to cover the race more than Kimmage's story. Kimmage's story is documentary gold as the trailer shows so very well. The movie could be bigger than Hamilton's book, which I completely underestimated.
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No they didn't but there is growing clamour by grassroots cyclists in Ireland for an EGM. It would be no harm if Moran was in there arguing for it.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=357935787639820&id=115231578576910

Stickeybottle is the most widely read website by Cycling Ireland members.

On your second point I don't think they will switch the story to covering the race. The real interest here is Kimmage, the young idealistic cyclist, succumbing to taking drugs, the regrets and his fight for a cleaner cycling. The fact that McQuaid would have managed Kimmage on numerous teams in the 80s adds interests. It's the classic story of power and money corrupting and the glorious white knight fighting for justice. All of this against the visual arresting images of the Tour de France.

Judging from the promo it will be the kind of documentary that non cycling and non sports fans will watch because it is about something much bigger than 200 men in lycra cycling to see who is fastest.
 
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No they didn't but there is growing clamour by grassroots cyclists in Ireland for an EGM. It would be no harm if Moran was in there arguing for it.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=357935787639820&id=115231578576910

Stickeybottle is the most widely read website by Cycling Ireland members.

On your second point I don't think they will switch the story to covering the race. The real interest here is Kimmage, the young idealistic cyclist, succumbing to taking drugs, the regrets and his fight for a cleaner cycling. The fact that McQuaid would have managed Kimmage on numerous teams in the 80s adds interests. It's the classic story of power and money corrupting and the glorious white knight fighting for justice. All of this against the visual arresting images of the Tour de France.

Judging from the promo it will be the kind of documentary that non cycling and non sports fans will watch because it is about something much bigger than 200 men in lycra cycling to see who is fastest.
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All the clubs have been emailed and hopefully an EGM will be forthcoming. Cycling Irelands Board are way outta touch with what the grass roots want. Hopefully it will get enough support and go ahead. I dont know one cyclist who supports his nomination, but we dont count.
 
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