U23 races and talents

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Zinoviev Letter said:
Any news on where Ghirmay is going to ride this year? Surely some Conti level development team will sign him?
I initially thought the DiData Conti team would snag him, but now I fear he will ride for the UCI's WCC team. Both Tiago Antunes and Barnabas Peak rode there last season, but Antunes left after thwe UCI's [romise of an elite U23 race program fell through. Hopefully we see more of Ghirmay than we did of those two if he does indeed wind up with the UCI.
 
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JoeD1997 said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Any news on where Ghirmay is going to ride this year? Surely some Conti level development team will sign him?
I initially thought the DiData Conti team would snag him, but now I fear he will ride for the UCI's WCC team. Both Tiago Antunes and Barnabas Peak rode there last season, but Antunes left after thwe UCI's [romise of an elite U23 race program fell through. Hopefully we see more of Ghirmay than we did of those two if he does indeed wind up with the UCI.
Still trying to figure out where he will excell at. He won a sprint against Greipel & co, but on the other hand, he was also pretty decent on the WC with a lot of climbing. He's definitely not a climber, but obviously not just a sprinter.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
JoeD1997 said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Any news on where Ghirmay is going to ride this year? Surely some Conti level development team will sign him?
I initially thought the DiData Conti team would snag him, but now I fear he will ride for the UCI's WCC team. Both Tiago Antunes and Barnabas Peak rode there last season, but Antunes left after thwe UCI's [romise of an elite U23 race program fell through. Hopefully we see more of Ghirmay than we did of those two if he does indeed wind up with the UCI.
Still trying to figure out where he will excell at. He won a sprint against Greipel & co, but on the other hand, he was also pretty decent on the WC with a lot of climbing. He's definitely not a climber, but obviously not just a sprinter.
It is hard to say what a rider will end up specialized in based on results as an age group rider particularly when we are talking about a teenager. Very good (and early developing) young riders often seem like they are excellent at almost everything when really the explanation is that they are already WT level and their opponents are not. So they win at things that they will not feature much at as adults. Kittel was a time trial prodigy. Flyweight Eddie Dunbar came 1st and 2nd in two of the three biggest espoir cobble races. Evenepoel could probably challenge for espoir cobble races already but I doubt if anyone thinks he will ever win big boys Roubaix.

When it comes to Ghirmay, his sprint results are already good enough against actual adult sprinters that we can assume that his sprint will definitely be important to his career. It wasn’t just that he beat the cream of PCT sprinters in one sprint. He was competitive with them in many sprints, which is less spectacular but probably more important as information about his future. But I agree with you: we don’t know if he will end up as a bunch sprinter, a hard course sprinter, an attacker with a kick, a hilly classics guy etc.
 
Martin Marcellusi wins the first big Italian U23 in Firenze. Mightily impressive, considering he was born in 2000, rides for a small program in Velo Racing Palazzago, and beat all the big names in Covi, Battistella, Bagioli and the rest of the Colpack and Zalf guys on his ones.

 
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Wallenquist said:
If you are interested in u19 you can check my blog with a list of twelve juniors to watch in 2019. You can also read quotes from some of them about their 2018 season and plans for 2019. Enjoy :)

https://cyclingu19.blogspot.com/
I was quite surprised not to see Tiberi on there. What he did last year, competing with Vacek and Evenepoel was special. Good read nonetheless! Looking forward to your KBK preview.
 
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drebelo said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Logic-is-your-friend said:
Ghirmay wins again: 5th stage in Rwanda.
And we still haven’t heard where he will be riding. Two pro wins as an eighteen year old is outrageously good.
His he eighteen tho?
Born 2 April 2000. So yes. Or are you doing one of those racist dad at a school sporting event things and declaring that the black kid looks too old?
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
drebelo said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Logic-is-your-friend said:
Ghirmay wins again: 5th stage in Rwanda.
And we still haven’t heard where he will be riding. Two pro wins as an eighteen year old is outrageously good.
His he eighteen tho?
Born 2 April 2000. So yes. Or are you doing one of those racist dad at a school sporting event things and declaring that the black kid looks too old?
In this specific case he looks tho, and is not because is black although it's a fact that in African countries there is really more lack of control over someone birth date.
 
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drebelo said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
drebelo said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Logic-is-your-friend said:
Ghirmay wins again: 5th stage in Rwanda.
And we still haven’t heard where he will be riding. Two pro wins as an eighteen year old is outrageously good.
His he eighteen tho?
Born 2 April 2000. So yes. Or are you doing one of those racist dad at a school sporting event things and declaring that the black kid looks too old?
In this specific case he looks tho, and is not because is black although it's a fact that in African countries there is really more lack of control over someone birth date.
Teenage black athletes are occasionally the victims of this kind of insinuation. Lukaku, the Belgian footballer, has spoken about the stuff that used to be shouted at him as a schoolboy player by outraged parents of opponents, convinced that he was too big and too good to be his real age. He’s from Antwerp, which didn’t stop those parents from going on about how nobody really knows how old Africans are. Claims that “That kid looks too old” are usually racialised.

The thing is though, Ghirmay really doesn’t look particularly old for his age. He’s not carrying much babyfat, but he’s an endurance athlete.
 
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The thing is though, Ghirmay really doesn’t look particularly old for his age. He’s not carrying much babyfat, but he’s an endurance athlete.[/quote]

I hope you are right and that he is in fact an 18 year old. Having a superstar African cyclist (and black cause Africa already has a superstar cyclist named Froome) could lead to an amazing progression of the sport in African countries which could only be good for the sport in general.
 
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drebelo said:
I hope you are right and that he is in fact an 18 year old. Having a superstar African cyclist (and black cause Africa already has a superstar cyclist named Froome) could lead to an amazing progression of the sport in African countries which could only be good for the sport in general.
Well, as with his more famous peer Evenepoel there is a lot of distance to travel between “amazing for a teenager” and actual adult superstar.
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
drebelo said:
In this specific case he looks tho, and is not because is black although it's a fact that in African countries there is really more lack of control over someone birth date.
Teenage black athletes are occasionally the victims of this kind of insinuation. Lukaku, the Belgian footballer, has spoken about the stuff that used to be shouted at him as a schoolboy player by outraged parents of opponents, convinced that he was too big and too good to be his real age. He’s from Antwerp, which didn’t stop those parents from going on about how nobody really knows how old Africans are. Claims that “That kid looks too old” are usually racialised.
Yes, and in countries with good records such as Belgium there's no grounds for such accusations.

With Africans, however, the sale of fake passports is widespread. Not only are there large numbers of cases of proven cheaters, along with testimony from many athletes who described how they did it and how easy it is, but there also constant appeals from african figures for the corruption to stop. Ghana, Nigeria, DR. Congo, Kenya, etc.

Ghana's most famous and respected sports coach caused a major uproar in the national media a while ago by saying live on TV that he 'laughs his ass off' when he hears the ages the country's best soccer players claim to be. He even specifically named two of them.

It's epidemic in so many african countries that while I've never heard of Eritrean cases, it wouldn't shock me if the situation there was the same.

Now that that general point is established, let me say there's absolutely no evidence against Ghirmay, so I think the least we can do in his case is not speculate. Leave him to his racing.
 
I'll post this here. A young friend of mine just completed his first U-23 race. He was racing as a Junior last year. He finished the race and said he felt better than expected although not good enough to be with the leaders. He's working hard because he does want to become a pro. His name if Javier Sánchez and he's racing with Valverde Team's new U-23 team. This is the team he raced for as both a Cadet and Junior as well. Figured this was the appropriate place to let everyone know about this young hopeful.
 
Questo l’elenco delle tappe
– giovedì 13 giugno, prologo, Riccione-Riccione, 3.6 km
– venerdì 14 giugno, 1a tappa, Riccione-Santa Sofia, 143.2 km
– sabato 15 giugno, 2a tappa, Bagno di Romagna-Pescia, 174 km
– domenica 16 giugno, 3a tappa, Sesto Fiorentino-Gaiole in Chianti, 145.5 km
– lunedì 17 giugno, 4a tappa, Buonconvento-Monte Amiata, 163.7 km
– martedì 18 giugno, giorno di riposo
– mercoledì 19 giugno, 5a tappa, Sorbolo Mezzani-Passo Maniva, 155.2 km
– giovedì 20 giugno, 6a tappa, Aprica-Aprica, 94.8 km
– venerdì 21 giugno, 7a tappa, Dimaro Folgarida-Levico Terme, 119.9 km
– sabato 22 giugno, 8a tappa, Rosà-Falcade, 134.2 km
– domenica 23 giugno, 9a tappa, Agordo-Passo Fedaia, 35.8 km
 
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DNP-Old said:
Questo l’elenco delle tappe
– giovedì 13 giugno, prologo, Riccione-Riccione, 3.6 km
– venerdì 14 giugno, 1a tappa, Riccione-Santa Sofia, 143.2 km
– sabato 15 giugno, 2a tappa, Bagno di Romagna-Pescia, 174 km
– domenica 16 giugno, 3a tappa, Sesto Fiorentino-Gaiole in Chianti, 145.5 km
– lunedì 17 giugno, 4a tappa, Buonconvento-Monte Amiata, 163.7 km
– martedì 18 giugno, giorno di riposo
– mercoledì 19 giugno, 5a tappa, Sorbolo Mezzani-Passo Maniva, 155.2 km
– giovedì 20 giugno, 6a tappa, Aprica-Aprica, 94.8 km
– venerdì 21 giugno, 7a tappa, Dimaro Folgarida-Levico Terme, 119.9 km
– sabato 22 giugno, 8a tappa, Rosà-Falcade, 134.2 km
– domenica 23 giugno, 9a tappa, Agordo-Passo Fedaia, 35.8 km
Well, this looks more than good. Sterrato on stage 3. Double Mortirolo at the Aprica-Aprica stage! First from Monno, then from Mazzo (not quite sure how that works). The last stage is a bit short, but Fedaia!



http://www.cicloweb.it/2019/03/25/ecco-il-giro-ditalia-under-23-sterrati-due-volte-il-mortirolo-e-il-finale-sul-fedaia/
 

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