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USA Cycling Anti-Doping Committee Recommending Doping

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Not surprising, there are many who believe just legalise all doping in sports, so the athletes will be doing it more safely with his quality professionals, they also believe it will make the sports more fair as everyone will know what each other are doing.
 
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gazr99 said:
Not surprising, there are many who believe just legalise all doping in sports, so the athletes will be doing it more safely with his quality professionals, they also believe it will make the sports more fair as everyone will know what each other are doing.

I feel like this is a flawed train of thought. If athletes are willing to take banned substances to get a performance edge, they will continue to search for other ways to gain a slight advantage. Say some forms of doping are legalised (blood transfusions/EPO), people will still take the risk of using banned substances.

If all doping becomes legalised it would surely just become an arms race as to who has the best doctor, No?
 
It looks like Bouchard-Hall's new committee blew up in his face.
http://clippedin.bike/usa-cycling-ceo-anti-doping-safety-committees-to-harness-independent-thinking/

I like how he's employing the infamous "we're studying the issue" tactic. Derek could just, you know, report anonymous results. But.... Naaaah.

This is how messed up the entire anti-doping process is. Everyone on the sports federation side seems motivated to keep it going at all costs.

Interesting that Uli Fluhme is on the committee. He's one of the few promoters who has sanctioned his podium winners.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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Remmie123 said:
gazr99 said:
Not surprising, there are many who believe just legalise all doping in sports, so the athletes will be doing it more safely with his quality professionals, they also believe it will make the sports more fair as everyone will know what each other are doing.

I feel like this is a flawed train of thought. If athletes are willing to take banned substances to get a performance edge, they will continue to search for other ways to gain a slight advantage. Say some forms of doping are legalised (blood transfusions/EPO), people will still take the risk of using banned substances.

If all doping becomes legalised it would surely just become an arms race as to who has the best doctor, No?
is not this how it is as it stands?

best doctor, best doping logistics and intra tour doping, best preparation doping, best political influence, best protection... and a confluence of all in a gestalt of performance enhancement.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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blackcat said:
is not this how it is as it stands?

best doctor, best doping logistics and intra tour doping, best preparation doping, best political influence, best protection... and a confluence of all in a gestalt of performance enhancement.


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blackcat said:
Merckx index said:
So he was taking EPO at least four years before cancer. I'm not surprised, but this deepens the mystery of how he became such a good climber, and a better TTer, after cancer. RR and some others think he was a high responder, and it does appear he has a naturally low HT that would have allowed him to get a larger benefit from EPO than many other riders. But why did the benefit not really become apparent until after cancer? If being a high responder is what enabled him to win all those Tours, why could he do nothing in GC in four tries before cancer? Other alleged high responders, like Ulle and Pantani, seemed to reach their GC potential much sooner. Even Riis was a better climber than Armstrong at that time.

Was it Ferrari? Maybe, but I find it hard to believe that Ferrari + EPO made a bigger difference in his GC performance over EPO alone than EPO alone did over no EPO. All EPO seemingly did for him is make him a much better one day racer. For four years. Then boom, suddenly he can climb, not just better, but he goes from a total non-climber to the best in the world. Was Ferrari's program really that good?

Was it being protected by the UCI? Maybe, but all that would have done is allowed him to take as much EPO as he wanted, and he could have done that in the 90s before cancer, when there was no 50% rule. Protection would have allowed him to take more than his competitors, but it wouldn't explain how he was so much better than he was in the mid 90s.

Was he using some other substance, such as HemAssist or PFCs? Maybe, but plenty of testimony (including his own, for what that's worth) indicates he was blood doping throughout his TDF dominance, so it doesn't sound as though anything else he was using was very important. If he could have achieved the same effects with a non-detectable substance, there wouldn't have been much point in using EPO or even transfusions.
NB. may be apocyphal.

but in 98 Vuelta he bragged that he had a horse steroid that no one else did. And obiously, it would not show up on the assay of the mass spec gas chromatograph (and folks already have told me that i am mistaking my biological testing technology)

but still holds true. more the metaphor. It did not show up.

I think in the 98 Vuelta, it allowed Ferrari to see how Armstrong responded over three weeks, and to tweek crit, haemoglobin, and the other O2 parameters.

Folks are looking at the Rasmussen Mexico training camp nee Dolomiti.

The preparation doping. And increasing the threshold.

That is only half of the function.

Folks, look at recovery doping. RECOVERY doping.

Motoman and recovery doping is where its at.

I would like to enter into evidence, Raimondas Rumsas, and Edita Rumsas.

If you neutralise the 2003 Tour for the Team timetrial. Rumsas beats Beloki.

Have a think for a second, the advantages that Armstrong had up his sleeve on Rumsas. But Rumsas did have some decent recovery support thanks to Edita, and he could have managed to negate Beloki's Manalo Saiz recovery doping advantage.

And have an advantage over the field, wrt recovery doping.

After Festina, recovery doping became a game of subterfuge, and Armstrong could get an enormous advantage by capturing the administration of the sport, to give him a wide berth, while sending Edita and Remi di Gregorio and Christiano Moreno and everyone else off to jail.
 
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blackcat said:
Remmie123 said:
gazr99 said:
Not surprising, there are many who believe just legalise all doping in sports, so the athletes will be doing it more safely with his quality professionals, they also believe it will make the sports more fair as everyone will know what each other are doing.

I feel like this is a flawed train of thought. If athletes are willing to take banned substances to get a performance edge, they will continue to search for other ways to gain a slight advantage. Say some forms of doping are legalised (blood transfusions/EPO), people will still take the risk of using banned substances.

If all doping becomes legalised it would surely just become an arms race as to who has the best doctor, No?
is not this how it is as it stands?

best doctor, best doping logistics and intra tour doping, best preparation doping, best political influence, best protection... and a confluence of all in a gestalt of performance enhancement.
Mechanical doping?
 
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USA Cycling is at a fork in the road. They can show the sports world that this sports governance organization is institutionally mature enough to collaborate with real-world, independent experts. Or, as we have seen from WADA, FIFA, NFL and other organizations, they can go down the well-trodden path of defining "expert advice" as only that advice which fits comfortably within what they already believe or causes no one "dismay."

http://leastthing.blogspot.ca/2016/05/usa-cycling-and-expert-advice-fork-in.html#comment-form

Interesting perspective.

Dont think anyone will disagree that sport politicians have done a very poor job in antidoping decision making. Opening the door to other minds who are free to express their views is positive.

How sorry was this back in 2012.

Dr Michael Ashenden accused the anti-doping movement of fostering a culture of "omerta"
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-17586597
 
Mar 13, 2009
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HelmutRoole said:
blackcat said:
Remmie123 said:
gazr99 said:
Not surprising, there are many who believe just legalise all doping in sports, so the athletes will be doing it more safely with his quality professionals, they also believe it will make the sports more fair as everyone will know what each other are doing.

I feel like this is a flawed train of thought. If athletes are willing to take banned substances to get a performance edge, they will continue to search for other ways to gain a slight advantage. Say some forms of doping are legalised (blood transfusions/EPO), people will still take the risk of using banned substances.

If all doping becomes legalised it would surely just become an arms race as to who has the best doctor, No?
is not this how it is as it stands?

best doctor, best doping logistics and intra tour doping, best preparation doping, best political influence, best protection... and a confluence of all in a gestalt of performance enhancement.
Mechanical doping?
forgot that one ;)

i will edit above. or leave it for the viewer to interpret

mebbe add also the best access to new doping materiel (correct spelling, as in, war armaments, materiel)

AICAR and GW101516 and Lipotropin and the early adopter of such new materiel pharma.

Atleast with RaceRadio's line on the Sky enemas and rectal nutrition liquid diet, that aint illegal. And gotta give some credit to Dawg and Wigans for lubing up to get the calories and nutrients. No carbs, no paleo.
 
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Anaconda said:
USA Cycling is at a fork in the road. They can show the sports world that this sports governance organization is institutionally mature enough to collaborate with real-world, independent experts. Or, as we have seen from WADA, FIFA, NFL and other organizations, they can go down the well-trodden path of defining "expert advice" as only that advice which fits comfortably within what they already believe or causes no one "dismay."

http://leastthing.blogspot.ca/2016/05/usa-cycling-and-expert-advice-fork-in.html#comment-form

Interesting perspective.

Dont think anyone will disagree that sport politicians have done a very poor job in antidoping decision making. Opening the door to other minds who are free to express their views is positive.

How sorry was this back in 2012.

Dr Michael Ashenden accused the anti-doping movement of fostering a culture of "omerta"
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-17586597

but lets admit, proper politics have more important things to abide by beside (alliterationz) some smalltime doping contravention in sport. you dont screw around with the big boys by meddling in muddling sports doping. see: Kerry on Armstrong. who the ferk do you think you are lance. delusions of grandeur. Champs Elysees aint DC Dorothy <more alliterationz>

Kansas<striketrhu>WOZ
 
Apr 3, 2011
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To legalize or not to legalize... that's not even a question in the current biopass era that basically forces you to dope all year round (microdosing, autobloddbagging) to keep the values stable, not only for the race.

UCI concern is NO SCANDALS, they don't care much about moderate juicing, but they also don't want brutal overdosing and dead bodies. So some basic level has to be maintained... and those failing these "doping IQ tests" have really no place here (why do they have doctors,ffs!).