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Vehement deniers ever caught?

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Sorped

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Hello fellow clinicians! :)

Pretty simple question really; Have any of the riders who are vehemently arguing against doping ever been caught? I know obviously people like Riis and Armstrong denied like there was no tomorrow, but I'm thinking more about the younger generations.

E.g. Jakob Fuglsang was calling his team mates (Iglinskys) for idiots and saying they have no place in cycling following their positives.

Statements like that, from that generation and younger, anyone ever caught out?
 
DirtyWorks

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Why would they get caught? They are selling the UCI as cleans.

Do leaders of the IOC count? How about leaders of the UCI? They have been vigorous deniers of doping and vocally misrepresenting test schemes like the bio-passport.
 
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Can't think of any.... I think those willing to condem individuals are (hopefully) clean themselves.

Especially those who had the option to keep quiet, I suppose in the scenario you mention Fuglsang would have been under some pressure from the press to pass comment.
 
neineinei

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Stuart O'Grady had a good gig going. (Voight said it was the new generation that were riding the 2013 TdF.)
 
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neineinei said:
Stuart O'Grady had a good gig going. (Voight said it was the new generation that were riding the 2013 TdF.)
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Jens aint been caught yet.

Its merely heresay that in the GAN bus in 1998 he said "we should bury our dope by the roadside before the gendarmes catch us"
 
The Hitch

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I'm guessing average age for people getting caught is probably somewhere in mid to late 30's.
In career terms its probably something like an average of 10 years into the career and something like 7 or 8 years after getting on a serious doping programme.

So young riders caught doping is already a very limited sample size. Specialize it further to - young riders caught doping who have been caught in the media legitimately speaking out against doping, and I doubt you will get any matches.
 
D-Queued

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Sorped said:
Hello fellow clinicians! :)

Pretty simple question really; Have any of the riders who are vehemently arguing against doping ever been caught? I know obviously people like Riis and Armstrong denied like there was no tomorrow, but I'm thinking more about the younger generations.

E.g. Jakob Fuglsang was calling his team mates (Iglinskys) for idiots and saying they have no place in cycling following their positives.

Statements like that, from that generation and younger, anyone ever caught out?
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Pretty sure Marion Jones was strident, but didn't do any research.

Carl Lewis is a very (!) obvious example.

Who used to have the sig: Where there is smoke, there is usually fire?

Dave.
 
Benotti69

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Nearly every rider asked in the pro peloton about doping has vehemently denied it.

Some alluded to it, but never admitted it on record prior to being caught.
 
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D-Queued said:
Pretty sure Marion Jones was strident, but didn't do any research.

Carl Lewis is a very (!) obvious example.

Who used to have the sig: Where there is smoke, there is usually fire?

Dave.
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the lady doth protest too much
 
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I thought the question was anti-doping moralists who got caught. There are so few who even speak out. Are we asking the equivalent of a Christophe Bassons getting caught?
 
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Catwhoorg said:
Not a rider but Linford Christie springs to mind.

Despite a ban (and avoiding a sanction in the 1988 final by a whisker) he still denies doping.
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I think it is a whole other category for those who are caught and then deny though, some eventually confess but not many hold up their hands when first caught and say its a fair cop.
 
DirtyWorks

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D-Queued said:
Pretty sure Marion Jones was strident,
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Strident really doesn't describe it. The lie detector was pretty ridiculous.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50806-2004Jun17.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Ma...rug-allegations/2004/12/03/1101923322091.html

Only doped for two years prior to 2000 games.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-01-18/sports/sp-1473_1_random-drug-test Or, maybe not..

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How about Alex Rodriguez? Apparently did the "Kids, don't take the drugs.." while loading up on the HGH and Test.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/sto...iguez-new-york-yankees-admitted-dea-used-peds

"We helped provide him a very credible platform for him to do his mea culpa and demonstrate to the public by speaking with kids that he learned the error of his ways, that he was giving back and making amends," Hooton, who was present for Rodriguez's 2009 news conference, told ESPNNewYork.com's Ian O'Connor. "And now it looks like that mea culpa and last apology weren't very genuine.

"I'm very, very disappointed but not surprised after all of the revelations that have come out across the past several months. After the press conference in 2009, I had Alex out with literally thousands of kids from Miami to New York doing programs at Boys & Girls Clubs, high schools and middle schools. If his admission is accurate, his messages to kids about learning his lesson and playing performance-enhancing-drug free were disingenuous to say the least."

Cleans!!! Oh, wait..:mad:
 
GuyIncognito

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Sorped said:
Hello fellow clinicians! :)

Pretty simple question really; Have any of the riders who are vehemently arguing against doping ever been caught? I know obviously people like Riis and Armstrong denied like there was no tomorrow, but I'm thinking more about the younger generations.

E.g. Jakob Fuglsang was calling his team mates (Iglinskys) for idiots and saying they have no place in cycling following their positives.

Statements like that, from that generation and younger, anyone ever caught out?
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Rebellin. Called his medal a victory for clean cycling and an example to youngsters that you can win clean.
Got caught less than a year later

From Fuglsang's generation? Not that I'm aware of
 
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Not a rider, but worth mention. Swedish race walker Andreas Gustafsson before the 2014 European Athletics Championships said this about the Russian race walkers: "They have been doped before, they are most likely doped for these championships too. Lets's hope they haven't doped enough! I'm an outside candidate for a medal."

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/friidrott/article19352154.ab (Swedish)

In December Gustafsson tested positive for EPO and according to the Swedish federation he had suspicous blood values at the 2014 European Athletics Championships.

http://bloggar.expressen.se/friidrottsbloggen/2015/05/06/gustafsson-var-dopad-i-em/ (Swedish)
 
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Sorped

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Re:

blackcat said:
neineinei said:
Stuart O'Grady had a good gig going. (Voight said it was the new generation that were riding the 2013 TdF.)
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Jens aint been caught yet.

Its merely heresay that in the GAN bus in 1998 he said "we should bury our dope by the roadside before the gendarmes catch us"
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I can't believe some people take that statement and hold it as 100% truth, knowing the kind of joker Jens Voigt is.
 
hrotha

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That joke by Voigt shows that, at the very least, he was fully aware and immersed in the doping culture of the time, even in the extremely unlikely scenario that he was clean himself. That doesn't go very well with his "never seen nothing" public posturing.
 
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