Vuelta a Burgos 2025 (August 5-9)

[elguapo]

Ciccone looked a little better, far from fresh, but he was able to pulse Del Toro a couple of times and got a decent gap!! Ciccone also showed up a couple of times at the Giro..I would have enjoyed if they did something against one another, Alps or Austria.. Del Toro benefited big time from a flying Rafel Majka,
Wondering about where Ciccone would fall in a gravel field? Guy just is pretty good at everything!! Del Toro will likely race at gravel worlds..Wouldn't mind seeing Giulio at Strade Bianchi or gravel worlds, he just has a flow..
Del Toro has some wiggle worm Alberto Contador thing going on.. in a group watch I said that Isaac climbs like he is channelling his inner Axel Rose from Guns and Roses!! Everyone thinks it's funny!!

Ciccone needs a stronger team in the Vuelta to compete in the overall against Vingegaard and Almeifa, Vine and Ayuso. At Burgos, his lieutenant was an 18 yo trackster, who has just recovered from injury but did far better than the Trek veterans. The guy should be allowed to race in the Vuelta instead at Tour de L'Avenir.

 

[YavorD]

Ciccone needs a stronger team in the Vuelta to compete in the overall against Vingegaard and Almeifa, Vine and Ayuso. At Burgos, his lieutenant was an 18 yo trackster, who has just recovered from injury but did far better than the Trek veterans. The guy should be allowed to race in the Vuelta instead at Tour de L'Avenir.

I think we are overrating Ciccone a bit. Now we are putting (almost) 31 years old rider with 0 GT top 10 to fight Vingegaard and Almeida?
Sure, he looked good in these races recently, but he has always looked good in stages like the ones in Burgos, and suffered in the really hard mountain stages towards the end of a GT.

 

[Unchained]

Ciccone needs a stronger team in the Vuelta to compete in the overall against Vingegaard and Almeifa, Vine and Ayuso. At Burgos, his lieutenant was an 18 yo trackster, who has just recovered from injury but did far better than the Trek veterans. The guy should be allowed to race in the Vuelta instead at Tour de L'Avenir.

I certainly don't know the history behind a decision like that, personally I couldn't see any long-term physical damage for an 18year old, already elite athlete competing in a long race like the Vuelta if there was some type of hyper exaggerated recovery, possibly weeks off the bike post race.
l'Avenir distances are little shorter and race duration, therefore overall elevation changes are less. Even though I love Ciccone as a bike racer, Trek went from a team I liked to a team I question in competency from management after TDF.
With or without an 18year old phenom working for him at the Vuelta, Trek will likely come up short to help Ciccone contest overall victory. A great racer like Bauke Mollema really has nothing more to give, his performance has been in state of steep decline over last 2 years..riders like Vacek who might be out completely, Carlos Verona could maybe be of use, but how much. Lopez has not shown much all year.
I know that you hear and read daily about everything has changed, everything is about some version of youth movement, but there must be a serious downside to starting 18 year olds at grand tours otherwise they would do it..often.. Even if you prorated the race, have the guy race @40-60% of the total distance and drop out, there must be something bad long-term.I don't know.. Best solution I see for Ciccone is to transfer to Quickstep..lol..

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Del Toro has some wiggle worm Alberto Contador thing going on.. in a group watch I said that Isaac climbs like he is channelling his inner Axel Rose from Guns and Roses!! Everyone thinks it's funny!!

As long as he doesn't channel Axl's timekeeping skills, otherwise we're gonna see him do a Delgado in almost every ITT he enters.

The old joke, "15 minutes late to grindcore show: missed two bands. 15 minutes late to stoner rock show: haven't missed a note. 15 minutes late to Guns n' Roses show? No worries, Axl hasn't landed in the country yet"

 

[Unchained]

As long as he doesn't channel Axl's timekeeping skills, otherwise we're gonna see him do a Delgado in almost every ITT he enters.

The old joke, "15 minutes late to grindcore show: missed two bands. 15 minutes late to stoner rock show: haven't missed a note. 15 minutes late to Guns n' Roses show? No worries, Axl hasn't landed in the country yet"

Because life is sort of a flash..I forgot that Metallica opened for Guns and Roses and Rose walked out of a show saying he had a sore throat and the crowd burned and destroyed everything!!
Del Toro also had some diesel truck looking cadence as Ciccone gapped him and he couldn't close it. But he didnt walk off!!!!
I will probably not use anymore Rose-Del Toro comparisons because I don't want wasted angry crowds , female fans named Candy, Crystal or Summer and I don't want Isaac to suffer post fame weight gain and hair transplant travesty like GNR front man!!! Lol!!
I do hope Del Toro is not late for races as a habit!! Would be cool to see reaction in UAE team bus if they played Greatful Dead or Phish..