WADA you going to do about Alberto?

[Polish]

Seems WADA will have 51 days to make a decision regarding Alberto:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...over-Contador-clearing-on-doping-charges.aspx

So, what do you predict WADA will do?

 

[Ryaguas]

in before close? =D

 

[JPM London]

Me too! And don't think they're gonna do it...

 

[Walkman]

I wrote this in another thread:

I really hope that WADA muster up some "cojones" and take the case to CAS so they can give AC the two year ban he so rightfully deserves. It would be very, very bad for the sport if this turns into a "Valverade".

"What else do you need? A and B positive: BANG!"



But you can't trust those Southern Europeans, they can't even keep their finances in order...ahh poor Germany.

 

[sniper]

This poll is assuming the UCI don't appeal, which I think they will, even if its only to keep the show running.

QS: if the UCI appeal, what will WADA's role be? Will they get to deliver evidence as well or only if the UCI, or some other party, ask them to?

p.s. thread-title of the month

 

[Publicus]

Neither UCI nor WADA will appeal. And if they do, they will lose.

 

[roundabout]

While an appeal by WADA may be self-defeating, it is very likely that they will win.

 

[Polish]

Neither UCI nor WADA will appeal. And if they do, they will lose.

Could one appeal and not the other?

If they both appeal, is it two seperate appeals or combined?

 

[BotanyBay]

You should include room for a potential "joint" appeal by WADA and UCI. My guess is that McQuaid won't want to spend the money and let bygones be bygones.

 

[Oldman]

Could one appeal and not the other?

If they both appeal, is it two seperate appeals or combined?

Riding my bike Appeals to me at this point. But first I'm going to Polish my gear.

 

[Mambo95]

I think they'll appeal. It's too high profile not to. If they don't then it's the end of strict liability and the door opens to all sorts of excuses.

One year or two years? I don't know. I'm guessing a compromise one year.

 

[Granville57]

I think they'll appeal. It's too high profile not to. If they don't then it's the end of strict liability and the door opens to all sorts of excuses.

One year or two years? I don't know. I'm guessing a compromise one year.

A ban starting from...when?
If AC races tomorrow, doesn't that just add another convoluted layer to all this?

 

[Mambo95]

A ban starting from...when?
If AC races tomorrow, doesn't that just add another convoluted layer to all this?

Yeah, just like Valverde.

Don't ask me when. I don't work for WADA.

 

[Mambo95]

A ban starting from...when?
If AC races tomorrow, doesn't that just add another convoluted layer to all this?

Yeah, just like Valverde.

Don't ask me when. I don't work for WADA.

Edit: Thinking about this, any appeal needs to be fast tracked. It would be terrible for cycling to have AC win the 2011 Tour and then stripped of it because he shouldn't have been in it in the first place (a la Valverde). Something for ASO to consider.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I dont think WADA will apeal because theres to much procedural inconsistancy in this case.
Procedure exists for a reason and once it`s fecked up convictions are difficult.
As they should be.
Now was all the procedural **** ups deliberate or incompetance?..
Knowing the UCI clowns it`s a bit of both.

 

[Altitude]

Neither UCI nor WADA will appeal. And if they do, they will lose.

Why will they lose? Enlighten me.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

The UCI has followed protocol so far, which leads me to believe they will appeal to CAS, not WADA. But with the UCI you never know.

If they do, I think there's every chance they it will rule against AC, and CAS will uphold a full two-year ban.

 

[brianf7]

Ah
its spanish law and a chalenge at CAS in Switzerland has no bearing on Spain and such a legal challenge may bring about a judicial reveiw of the WADA convention
then WADA are looking for a new job.

Many countries have signed the WADA convention but many countries laws would over rule it if it came to a legal battle.

That is why every year we signe to take all legal matters in Cycling to CAS or we dont get a licence.

Has Contadore got a licence yet he was suspended so CAS may not be his avenue.

 

[Polish]

The clock is ticking down on WADA's opportunity to appeal....
They still have over a month to decide though.
UCI has less time to decide, maybe WADA will wait to see what they do?

Anyway, the Vice President of WADA made some comments yesterday to AP.
Seems to point towards an appeal to be launched? We will see....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=134054452

Prof. Arne Ljungqvist said claims of food contamination in doping cases are "old stories" going back 30 years and have never been accepted by an international sports panel.

"It's not the first time that a national federation excuses their own athlete," Ljungqvist said in a telephone interview from Sweden. "That's why we have this safeguard of an appeal system.

Yikes, "never been accepted" and the "safeguard of an appeal".
Alberto's lawyers might be back in action soon?

 

[flicker]

The clock is ticking down on WADA's opportunity to appeal....
They still have over a month to decide though.
UCI has less time to decide, maybe WADA will wait to see what they do?

Anyway, the Vice President of WADA made some comments yesterday to AP.
Seems to point towards an appeal to be launched? We will see....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=134054452



Yikes, "never been accepted" and the "safeguard of an appeal".
Alberto's lawyers might be back in action soon?

Totally no appeal by UCI or WADA. Nothing in it for them. Costs way to much money, and it will make ALL sports look negative.

 

[Andynonomous]

It's a precedent they MUST fight.

They HAVE to appeal, or they become irrelevant (it is impossible to PROVE how a substance got into someone, so EVERY athlete that tests positive will just make a "plausible" excuse and get away with it).

 

[Race Radio]

There will absolutely be an appeal. The only thing being discussed internally is if it is a joint UCI/WADA effort or if WADA goes it alone.

The best AC can hope for is a one year ban.

 

[flicker]

There will absolutely be an appeal. The only thing being discussed internally is if it is a joint UCI/WADA effort or if WADA goes it alone.

The best AC can hope for is a one year ban.

No please, no!

 

[theswordsman]

WADA will first of all have to actually read the Preliminary Proposal, the additional defense documents, and the Final Resolution. An awful lot of "experts" and people in positions of authority have been speaking to the press without having done so. AS has the Resolution in a digital form that can be run through Google Translate:

http://www.as.com/misc/resolucion_caso_contador.pdf

Both WADA and the UCI made a number of procedural errors in the handling of this. All of you will at least agree that they didn't announce it to the press in August when they found out. But they made others. In their initial press release, they made it sound like they tested the B sample before contacting Contador. They didn't let him know right away, that's been confirmed. But if they tested the B sample, it's already game over based on a CAS ruling this week. That link at the bottom.

The UCI confirmed today that Spanish rider Alberto Contador returned an adverse analytical finding for clenbuterol following the analysis of urine sample taken during an in competition test on 21st July 2010 on the second rest day of the Tour de France.

This result was reported by the WADA accredited laboratory in Cologne to UCI and WADA simultaneously.

The concentration found by the laboratory was estimated at 50 picograms (or 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml).

In view of this very small concentration and in consultation with WADA, the UCI immediately had the proper results management proceedings conducted including the analysis of B sample that confirmed the first result. The rider, who had already put an end to his cycling season before the result was known, was nevertheless formally and provisionally suspended as is prescribed by the World Anti-Doping Code.

This case required further scientific investigation before any conclusion could be drawn.

The UCI continues working with the scientific support of WADA to analyse all the elements that are relevant to the case. This further investigation may take some more time.

In order to protect the integrity of the proceedings and in accordance with the World Anti-Doping Code, the UCI will refrain from making any further comments until the management of this adverse analytical finding has been completed.

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENe...p?MenuId=MTI2Mjc&LangId=1&1602917X57X56Page=5

For people thinking alleged high plasticizer levels night make a difference, the test won't be official until Summer 2012, and the leaked alleged levels for Contador aren't as high as they find in athletes who have transfused - 20 times their own normal level.If I remember correctly, the amount in the New York Times was eight times that of a regular person. I imagine that for safety reasons, pretty much all the water Contador drinks in the bus or at the hotel after a stage comes in plastic bottles. Astana also used TacX Shiva water bottles during the race. They advertise, or did in 2009, that they added a special substance to their bottles so the plastic will break down so they're biodegradable.

The Tour was kind of hot, so I'd imagine that someone who has bottles bouncing around in a car, then on their bike cage, and goes through fifteen or twenty in a stage with four serious climbs, would already have way higher values than someone who has drinking fountains at work and tap water at home. The amount of fluids taken in would be way higher too.

How did the transfusion?

A 12 athletes had blood taken and were reinfundió in two weeks. In the other 13, four weeks the blood was stored. The day after the transfusion, passed a urine test, any doping test.

What were the results?

We all have certain levels of plasticizers in urine.But the study has shown that, after a transfusion, those levels are increasing. If you do the urine test the day of autologous transfusion, the usual levels are multiplied by more than 20

http://www.publico.es/deportes/362764/en-2012-se-detectaran-las-autotransfusiones
CAS:


http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/4582/5048/0/press release 23.02.11.pdf

I expect WADA and the UCI to talk tough in the press until their own appeal expiration dates, then move quietly on to something else. WADA is already in touch with China about the use of Clenbuterol. If 20% of the world's population can be exposed to it every day in normal life, there has to be a minimum. Fact.

 

[Andynonomous]

Opinion not FACT.

If 20% of the world's population can be exposed to it every day in normal life, there has to be a minimum. Fact.

Do you even know the difference between opinion and fact ?

Just because a percentage of people in one part of the world are exposed to a substance (even if it is a highly populated area), doesn't make it fact that it has to have a minimum to test positive (which still doesn't guarantee that the positive didn't come from contamination).