What are BMC Team Success factors

[jacko_69]

theyoungest: Spot on with your assessment.

And I gotta say Evans certainly was due an ounce of luck this time round.

 

[rickshaw]

Comparing quality of BMC vs The Rest

The main difference between BMC and THE REST was Media Hype, or lack of it.

Team Sky? What a hyped up joke, all blow and no show. The crashes saved them a lot of embarassment.

Leotard Trek? Highest ranked team in the world.... without having ridden a single mile together!

Astana? Vino this, Vino that. In the end it was old guy Vino in the ditch.

The Rest (GC wise)? Hype, smoke and mirrors, fantasy press releases.

Cadel = very experienced, very strong, very organized team which supported him and him alone. They came with a goal.

Luck? A famous man once said, "The harder I work, the luckier I get."

 

[Midnightfright]

The main difference between BMC and THE REST was Media Hype, or lack of it.

Team Sky? What a hyped up joke, all blow and no show. The crashes saved them a lot of embarassment.

Leotard Trek? Highest ranked team in the world.... without having ridden a single mile together!

Astana? Vino this, Vino that. In the end it was old guy Vino in the ditch.

The Rest (GC wise)? Hype, smoke and mirrors, fantasy press releases.

Cadel = very experienced, very strong, very organized team which supported him and him alone. They came with a goal.

Luck? A famous man once said, "The harder I work, the luckier I get."

I'm a tad confused by your post. I don't recall anyone saying SKY and certainly not Astana being the strongest team in the tour. Leopard trek fair enough I think they are were on paper there leaders are what let us down. BMC haven't really blown the world away is Cadel himself who's really performed. It appears to me that your using this as the opportunity to vent some anger frustration at said teams.

 

[sublimit]

The main difference between BMC and THE REST was Media Hype, or lack of it.

Team Sky? What a hyped up joke, all blow and no show. The crashes saved them a lot of embarassment.

Leotard Trek? Highest ranked team in the world.... without having ridden a single mile together!

Astana? Vino this, Vino that. In the end it was old guy Vino in the ditch.

The Rest (GC wise)? Hype, smoke and mirrors, fantasy press releases.

Cadel = very experienced, very strong, very organized team which supported him and him alone. They came with a goal.

Luck? A famous man once said, "The harder I work, the luckier I get."

Nice to see the respect you have for Evans opponents IE - Evans is great, BMC are the best and everybody else is rubbish lol..

Typical Australian gloating idiot.

 

[rickshaw]

I'm a tad confused by your post. I don't recall anyone saying SKY and certainly not Astana being the strongest team in the tour. Leopard trek fair enough I think they are were on paper there leaders are what let us down. BMC haven't really blown the world away is Cadel himself who's really performed. It appears to me that your using this as the opportunity to vent some anger frustration at said teams.

I guess I expressed myself poorly. The thread started like this

Before season,
BMC team have been rated as weakest pro team.
Many people criticized UCI to put BMC into World Tour World.
Now, BMC team gained biggest success.
What are the factors for their achievement?

What I am suggesting is that BMC did not go from "weakest" to "best" to win the Tour. It was simply the perception of BMC that changed. It was perceived as a weak team because of the all the hot air and hype swirling around them. While Sky was not touted as the best team there was a lot of virtual ink spilled about how Wiggo was a real contender, etc. About how The Shack had 3 GC guys with podium hopes. Astana with Vino going podium blah blah blah.

The pundits usually said it was a two horse race between Frankenandy and Contador. Frankenandy only talked about Bert. Bert only seemed to talk about Frankenandy.

I have no anger at any team. I save anger for important things.

back to you friend

 

[theyoungest]

I guess I expressed myself poorly. The thread started like this

Before season,
BMC team have been rated as weakest pro team.
Many people criticized UCI to put BMC into World Tour World.
Now, BMC team gained biggest success.
What are the factors for their achievement?

What I am suggesting is that BMC did not go from "weakest" to "best" to win the Tour. It was simply the perception of BMC that changed. It was perceived as a weak team because of the all the hot air and hype swirling around them. While Sky was not touted as the best team there was a lot of virtual ink spilled about how Wiggo was a real contender, etc. About how The Shack had 3 GC guys with podium hopes. Astana with Vino going podium blah blah blah.

The pundits usually said it was a two horse race between Frankenandy and Contador. Frankenandy only talked about Bert. Bert only seemed to talk about Frankenandy.

I have no anger at any team. I save anger for important things.

back to you friend

People criticized BMC for being Evans and 20-something domestiques. They still are. Name me one important victory by a BMC rider who isn't Cadel Evans?

 

[toolittle]

I guess I expressed myself poorly. The thread started like this

Before season,
BMC team have been rated as weakest pro team.
Many people criticized UCI to put BMC into World Tour World.
Now, BMC team gained biggest success.
What are the factors for their achievement?

What I am suggesting is that BMC did not go from "weakest" to "best" to win the Tour. It was simply the perception of BMC that changed. It was perceived as a weak team because of the all the hot air and hype swirling around them. While Sky was not touted as the best team there was a lot of virtual ink spilled about how Wiggo was a real contender, etc. About how The Shack had 3 GC guys with podium hopes. Astana with Vino going podium blah blah blah.

The pundits usually said it was a two horse race between Frankenandy and Contador. Frankenandy only talked about Bert. Bert only seemed to talk about Frankenandy.

I have no anger at any team. I save anger for important things.

back to you friend

Thanks.

Hope this help people come back to the start of my thread.
Not just to hate or just to love.

I thought BMC is slightly(or overly) underestimated before the season.

Their achievement now is far excess their riders strength.

I just don't understand why BMC perform so bad last year and this early season.

They seem to on-form now and we see they are strong in Tour of Wallonie after won the tour.

Should a big success requires years of set-up and training?

 

[toolittle]

People criticized BMC for being Evans and 20-something domestiques. They still are. Name me one important victory by a BMC rider who isn't Cadel Evans?

So, why should BMC boss do?

Buy more quality riders?
Reduce the support to Cadel?


For me, I think a pro tour stage race such as Romandie + some stage wins = good results for BMC team.
They have over done by 10 times. I could only criticized them by too success and left no room for next-year improvement.

 

[just some guy]

So, why should BMC boss do?

Buy more quality riders?
Reduce the support to Cadel?


For me, I think a pro tour stage race such as Romandie + some stage wins = good results for BMC team.
They have over done by 10 times. I could only criticized them by too success and left no room for next-year improvement.

If Evans says Healthy and has the same success then the gamble works, right. If he doesn´t then who brings in the wins and points ?

This is the arguement..... do you see that ?

Now the problem is that BMC is also trying to develop young riders they have a heap of Younger riders and no middle guys that perform constantly.

Moribito (?) is a good top 30% rider but some days is a top 20% but often is a bottom 60% he is not constant. Same goes for a lot of the riders.

Their sprinter - they guy who should get you constant wins is Kristoff the terrible - he may be fastish but often starts his sprint for 50 in the Peloton, but he did ride ok last week and did good work for GVA Yesterday.

So next year if the signings come of they will be better. More rounded an hopefully more constant

TJVG
Gilbert
Thor
Blythe
and maybe Rolland

 

[Angliru]

All you want to do is make excuses for why Evans won the tour , he was in the best form he ever has been at the Tour , he rode brilliantly and Won , it's as simple as that.

I can talk **** as well Contador only won the Tour last year cause Evans crashed and it was proven this year when he got owned. Menchov , I hope thats a joke.

Now that is pretty ridiculous but if it makes you sleep better at night go ahead and run with it.

 

[Midnightfright]

I guess I expressed myself poorly. The thread started like this

Before season,
BMC team have been rated as weakest pro team.
Many people criticized UCI to put BMC into World Tour World.
Now, BMC team gained biggest success.
What are the factors for their achievement?

What I am suggesting is that BMC did not go from "weakest" to "best" to win the Tour. It was simply the perception of BMC that changed. It was perceived as a weak team because of the all the hot air and hype swirling around them. While Sky was not touted as the best team there was a lot of virtual ink spilled about how Wiggo was a real contender, etc. About how The Shack had 3 GC guys with podium hopes. Astana with Vino going podium blah blah blah.

The pundits usually said it was a two horse race between Frankenandy and Contador. Frankenandy only talked about Bert. Bert only seemed to talk about Frankenandy.

I have no anger at any team. I save anger for important things.

back to you friend

I still don't think there a great team. They've had a good tour but that's its, i was adressing your post, this tour proved Cadel was the strongest rider and not that BMC were a particularly strong team. I will agree they proved themselves better than.most suggested.

 

[Angliru]

The contador of last year was not great. On such a course Evans would of beat AC and Schleck even more than what they did espcially with that TT course. Schleck even said he was better than last year. AC wasn't at his best in 2011 or 2010 tdf. Maybe you need to pull your head in and stop with the hate that you have shown towards Evans over the past month.

That really showed in his performance didn't it? Haven't you caught on to the AS false bravado yet? He also said he was content with the 57 seconds he had on Evans going into the ITT. That worked out swell for him. So it's your belief that Evans had bridged the gap climbing wise to AS while at the same time, Voeckler made the quantum leap to Tour contender and climber extraordinaire? AS was so smug in his belief that the 2011 Tour was his that his motivation to prep properly (train) was lost. He kept stating what great form he had at ToC--while getting dropped by US domestic riders on the climbs. He tried to make his KoM category win at TdS seem like a major accomplishment and an example of his form coming at the right time.

The part of your post that I put in italics I don't fully understand what you meant. Are referring to the ITT course of 2010 or the entire parcours for the 2010 Tour? You start the post out that Contador's form was not great for 2010 which I agree with but follow that by saying that Evans would've beaten both Contador and Schleck based on your misguided acceptance of AS's statement that he was better (form wise) than last year (2010).

If it's your's and most of the Evans/BMC fans belief that Evans was in the best form of his life at this year's Tour, what makes you think that he would've been able to defeat Contador and Schleck at the 2010 Tour?

 

[BM1979]

Now that is pretty ridiculous but if it makes you sleep better at night go ahead and run with it.

Ah i see , you only see what you want to see. Read the first few words in the sentence " I can talk **** aswell and then made that comment"

 

[Angliru]

Ah i see , you only see what you want to see. Read the first few words in the sentence " I can talk **** aswell and then made that comment"

Don't be shy. Go ahead and admit that that was a Freudian slip and you really believe it deep down.

 

[BM1979]

Don't be shy. Go ahead and admit that that was a Freudian slip and you really believe it deep down.

No thanks I am good , dont need to worry bout Last year , that's old news.I live in the present

 

[fatsprintking]

Evans was certainly lucky.

He was lucky that apparently some of his opponents were not professional enough arrive at biggest race of their year in their best form.

He was lucky that one of his opponents chose to race the Giro as he was worried that the drug test that he tested positive for might prevent him from riding the tour.

He was lucky that his team made the decision to accommodate some of his idiosyncrasies and personal needs and this seemed to work well for him and them.

He was lucky that his teams plan to ride him at the front of the peloton worked out and he avoided crashes.

He was lucky that his plan to defend when this was prudent, to attack when this was possible and to take responsibility when this was required worked out OK for him.

He was lucky that some of his opponents seemed to lack much tactical nous.

He was lucky that this year some of the skills he has such as descending in the wet just happened to be valuable.

He is also lucky to have so many people to remind him of how lucky he is just to ensure that he keeps things in perspective. Hopefully everyone else will get their **** together next year to put him back in the place where he belongs.

 

[ManInFull]

Evans was certainly lucky.

He was lucky that apparently some of his opponents were not professional enough arrive at biggest race of their year in their best form.

He was lucky that one of his opponents chose to race the Giro as he was worried that the drug test that he tested positive for might prevent him from riding the tour.

He was lucky that his team made the decision to accommodate some of his idiosyncrasies and personal needs and this seemed to work well for him and them.

He was lucky that his teams plan to ride him at the front of the peloton worked out and he avoided crashes.

He was lucky that his plan to defend when this was prudent, to attack when this was possible and to take responsibility when this was required worked out OK for him.

He was lucky that some of his opponents seemed to lack much tactical nous.

He was lucky that this year some of the skills he has such as descending in the wet just happened to be valuable.

He is also lucky to have so many people to remind him of how lucky he is just to ensure that he keeps things in perspective. Hopefully everyone else will get their **** together next year to put him back in the place where he belongs.

He won because he was the strongest rider. OK? Enough already.

 

[dlwssonic]

Evans was certainly lucky.

He was lucky that apparently some of his opponents were not professional enough arrive at biggest race of their year in their best form.

He was lucky that one of his opponents chose to race the Giro as he was worried that the drug test that he tested positive for might prevent him from riding the tour.

He was lucky that his team made the decision to accommodate some of his idiosyncrasies and personal needs and this seemed to work well for him and them.

He was lucky that his teams plan to ride him at the front of the peloton worked out and he avoided crashes.

He was lucky that his plan to defend when this was prudent, to attack when this was possible and to take responsibility when this was required worked out OK for him.

He was lucky that some of his opponents seemed to lack much tactical nous.

He was lucky that this year some of the skills he has such as descending in the wet just happened to be valuable.

He is also lucky to have so many people to remind him of how lucky he is just to ensure that he keeps things in perspective. Hopefully everyone else will get their **** together next year to put him back in the place where he belongs.

You dont have to cry and whine about evans winning ok

 

[UpTheRoad]

Evans was certainly lucky.

He was lucky that apparently some of his opponents were not professional enough arrive at biggest race of their year in their best form.

He was lucky that one of his opponents chose to race the Giro as he was worried that the drug test that he tested positive for might prevent him from riding the tour.

He was lucky that his team made the decision to accommodate some of his idiosyncrasies and personal needs and this seemed to work well for him and them.

He was lucky that his teams plan to ride him at the front of the peloton worked out and he avoided crashes.

He was lucky that his plan to defend when this was prudent, to attack when this was possible and to take responsibility when this was required worked out OK for him.

He was lucky that some of his opponents seemed to lack much tactical nous.

He was lucky that this year some of the skills he has such as descending in the wet just happened to be valuable.

He is also lucky to have so many people to remind him of how lucky he is just to ensure that he keeps things in perspective. Hopefully everyone else will get their **** together next year to put him back in the place where he belongs.

He was lucky that the police didn't get all of the EPO after arresting the soigneur.

 

[klmorgan]

After trolling through all the other posts, I figured I'd have my 5 cents worth!

For BMC, they have targeted and worked towards their goal of the TdF with Evans. Some great planning (e.g. TTT), good sense of Hincape to keep Evans out of trouble particularly on the early stages, some luck, and poor strategy on behalf of some other contenders, and Evans doing exactly what he needed. It may have been a different story had Contador not raced the Giro, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Same could be said, if Evans had crashed and someone else won.

Evans, also felt happy and settled in a team that was willing to do that it needed for their goal - you heard this in the comments after stages by Evans, and could see it after they finished the Tour.

BMC, as some recent results with GVA have shown they are starting to develop as a team - they need to look at better recruiting to turn them from a one focus team, and take themselves to the next step, to a team that will contend in some way or another in everything that they enter. The younger recruits, providing they develop are a long term investment, but they need to look at the short to medium term as well.

 

[greenedge]

Maybe because they targeted it, let Leopard do the work in the mountains then it became Mano a Mano/mano between Cadel and the Shlecks who were ineffectual. They also had a good team staff.