What Brought on Flyd & Lance Fallout?

[knewcleardaze]

I'm too young for Alzheimers, but when did their fallout begin?
When Floyd left for Phonak?

 

[BroDeal]

When Armstrong dumped Landis' rest day blood bag down the sink to punish him for signing with another team.

 

[fatandfast]

Landis like hundreds of other pros saw the cancer Lance as too incredible to even understand. the guy jammed his junk anywhere he could and all that was while he was married. The guys at the hotels and riding next to him couldn't believe the press about how he was becoming a super hero right before their eyes. Landis did lots of things Lance did and to date have had very different outcomes. Livestrong/Trek/FRS/SRAM and a few others could have been a place for Landis. An all old man team was not the fit for Floyd. He has nothing to bring to a touring team. His form to date has been shiett. He has all kinds of legal and personal issues that could have been a real stink bomb if he was pinched by the pigs in France for a hacking charge. He trips all over the place most recent in NZ..dropped a minute..or 2..that's never a big deal. The lack of mental composure is the problem. Lance and Landis are both good racers the fall out happens when you want some positive attention and 1 guy is getting all of it and the other guy can't get any..even while begging everybody from magazines,race promoters,manuf,teams and who finally reaffirmed his valuable.. the police..I wonder how crushed Landis will be after Novitzky turns his back on the flaying Floyd. This is going to end very sad..very,very sad

 

[hrotha]

When Armstrong dumped Landis' rest day blood bag down the sink to punish him for signing with another team.

That's my favourite Armstrong story to share with cycling fans who aren't doping-savvy.

 

[BroDeal]

Landis like hundreds of other pros saw the cancer Lance as too incredible to even understand. the guy jammed his junk anywhere he could and all that was while he was married. The guys at the hotels and riding next to him couldn't believe the press about how he was becoming a super hero right before their eyes. Landis did lots of things Lance did and to date have had very different outcomes. Livestrong/Trek/FRS/SRAM and a few others could have been a place for Landis. An all old man team was not the fit for Floyd. He has nothing to bring to a touring team. His form to date has been shiett. He has all kinds of legal and personal issues that could have been a real stink bomb if he was pinched by the pigs in France for a hacking charge. He trips all over the place most recent in NZ..dropped a minute..or 2..that's never a big deal. The lack of mental composure is the problem. Lance and Landis are both good racers the fall out happens when you want some positive attention and 1 guy is getting all of it and the other guy can't get any..even while begging everybody from magazines,race promoters,manuf,teams and who finally reaffirmed his valuable.. the police..I wonder how crushed Landis will be after Novitzky turns his back on the flaying Floyd. This is going to end very sad..very,very sad

Try sniffin' a little less glue. Hitting the return key occasionally might also be a good idea.

 

[pedaling squares]

I'm too young for Alzheimers, but when did their fallout begin?
When Floyd left for Phonak?

Based on what I've read, I imagine there was resentment from Landis towards Armstrong before he left USPS. Riding on USPS meant you got to ride the biggest races and had access to the medical program and team connections, but it also meant your own ambitions had to be shelved so you could focus on getting Armstrong a TDF win. That wouldn't be so bad if he was a true leader or at least a nice guy, but imagine being on the inside and seeing him make multi-millions and become a "hero" while treating you, current and former teammates, and countless others like crap. That would be a conflict - the guy is a jerk, but it's nice to be on the winning team. But when you take your own shot at the prize, he dumps on you. And when you get busted for doing what he did successfully for years, he turns away from you. Yeah, I'd be resentful.

 

[knewcleardaze]

Thanks all for your replies. How the Lance turns.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Try sniffin' a little less glue. Hitting the return key occasionally might also be a good idea.

Only thing Fastandfrantic is hitting is the pipe.

 

[simo1733]

I think the fallout started when they did a pre dauphine fitness test, and landis had better results than lance!

 

[CatsNK]

Based on what I've read, I imagine there was resentment from Landis towards Armstrong before he left USPS. Riding on USPS meant you got to ride the biggest races and had access to the medical program and team connections, but it also meant your own ambitions had to be shelved so you could focus on getting Armstrong a TDF win. That wouldn't be so bad if he was a true leader or at least a nice guy, but imagine being on the inside and seeing him make multi-millions and become a "hero" while treating you, current and former teammates, and countless others like crap. That would be a conflict - the guy is a jerk, but it's nice to be on the winning team. But when you take your own shot at the prize, he dumps on you. And when you get busted for doing what he did successfully for years, he turns away from you. Yeah, I'd be resentful.

I'm interested in what you say - please point me to where I can read about this. Thank you!

 

[sherer]

Based on what I've read, I imagine there was resentment from Landis towards Armstrong before he left USPS. Riding on USPS meant you got to ride the biggest races and had access to the medical program and team connections, but it also meant your own ambitions had to be shelved so you could focus on getting Armstrong a TDF win. That wouldn't be so bad if he was a true leader or at least a nice guy, but imagine being on the inside and seeing him make multi-millions and become a "hero" while treating you, current and former teammates, and countless others like crap. That would be a conflict - the guy is a jerk, but it's nice to be on the winning team. But when you take your own shot at the prize, he dumps on you. And when you get busted for doing what he did successfully for years, he turns away from you. Yeah, I'd be resentful.

If he really is that bad then home come Big George, Popo, Chechu and others have stayed with him so long ?

I still wonder about that blood story too, would be really want to risk one of his team performing badly before he had even finished the race or was this after all the mountain stages were over ?

 

[fatandfast]

Try sniffin' a little less glue. Hitting the return key occasionally might also be a good idea.

you are probably right and Shimano is going to offer Landis a job as a rep..and all his investments are pooping out huge yields so great that he will have a hard time spending all the cash. Also he harbors little bitterness about Lance's duplicate behaviors that have Armstrong getting houses in Malibu,Aspen, Austin and a downgraded place in Italy.. I am sure once Landis is not so busy with his racing and making friends with lawyers he will be out riding w former presidents and George Clooney. Landis will have work as a spokesman for prepaid legal or tire sealer..you know to stop the leaks.. glue smells good