What do we have on Unzue?

[Escarabajo]

Benotti, don't make this look complicated. It is simpler than that. Think about what would have happened to Valverde when he was banned if he had talked and tried to write a book about it? It think he is a lot better from any angle right now by not talking.

Same think with other Spanish figures with big contracts.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

think Unzue is generally on very good terms with his riders and forms a good connection with them; so there's little motivation to tell-all.

If someone serves me soup with a pat on the back, a smile and a decent pay check, am I going to spit in it?

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

I think it helps as well that he's operating a Spanish team with largely spanish riders. Doping doesn't carry the same taboo that it does in more straight laced countries like Northern Europe or the USA. So riders who get caught (usually when they venture outside Spain) tend to quietly serve their ban and then come back into the fold. It's all part of the game. Also with the state having very little interest in pursuing dopers and with Unzue's contacts; it's unlikely he;ll get publically shamed.

There are some obvious exceptions like Manzano, but these are few and far between;and I think Unzue is generally on very good terms with his riders and forms a good connection with them; so there's little motivation to tell-all. There's certainly little appetite among the general public though for a Rasmussen, Landis or Bassons tell-all type character to bring down the whole team and staff. It's difficult to see a Spanish tell-all figure getting a big book contract or becoming a prominent media figure - far better to keep their head down and join the gravy train again two years later. Also see how protracted and drawn out the cases with Fuentes and del Moral became; with even state institutions playing a keen role in playing down the whole procedure.

Whistleblowers dont do 'tell alls' for money. Show me a rich whistleblower!!!

Landis has done OK - DFA is correct when you look at culture - Countries like Spain are far less uptight about doping than other countries.

How has Landis done ok?

He is a small businessman at present with probably a lot of debt. I dont see him overflowing with riches. With Trump running the show who knows how the QuiTam case will end.

Most countries turn a blind eye to their own athletes doping. Show me a country that abhors their athletes winning illegally?

Countries and their societies have different attitudes to doping and I suspect there are differences between Eastern Europe/Mediterranean Europe and Northern Europe - Just look at the example of Contador and Clenbuterol - Once it was made public he got full support from Spanish Institutions - Compare this to what is happening in England with Sky and British Cycling - No support from all from the institutions - Finally turning a 'blind eye' is true if it remains private.

 

[PunchingRouleur]

Re: Re:

I think it helps as well that he's operating a Spanish team with largely spanish riders. Doping doesn't carry the same taboo that it does in more straight laced countries like Northern Europe or the USA. So riders who get caught (usually when they venture outside Spain) tend to quietly serve their ban and then come back into the fold. It's all part of the game. Also with the state having very little interest in pursuing dopers and with Unzue's contacts; it's unlikely he;ll get publically shamed.

There are some obvious exceptions like Manzano, but these are few and far between;and I think Unzue is generally on very good terms with his riders and forms a good connection with them; so there's little motivation to tell-all. There's certainly little appetite among the general public though for a Rasmussen, Landis or Bassons tell-all type character to bring down the whole team and staff. It's difficult to see a Spanish tell-all figure getting a big book contract or becoming a prominent media figure - far better to keep their head down and join the gravy train again two years later. Also see how protracted and drawn out the cases with Fuentes and del Moral became; with even state institutions playing a keen role in playing down the whole procedure.

Whistleblowers dont do 'tell alls' for money. Show me a rich whistleblower!!!

Landis has done OK - DFA is correct when you look at culture - Countries like Spain are far less uptight about doping than other countries.

How has Landis done ok?

He is a small businessman at present with probably a lot of debt. I dont see him overflowing with riches. With Trump running the show who knows how the QuiTam case will end.

Most countries turn a blind eye to their own athletes doping. Show me a country that abhors their athletes winning illegally?

Countries and their societies have different attitudes to doping and I suspect there are differences between Eastern Europe/Mediterranean Europe and Northern Europe - Just look at the example of Contador and Clenbuterol - Once it was made public he got full support from Spanish Institutions - Compare this to what is happening in England with Sky and British Cycling - No support from all from the institutions - Finally turning a 'blind eye' is true if it remains private.

You probably do not follow nordic skiing.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I think it helps as well that he's operating a Spanish team with largely spanish riders. Doping doesn't carry the same taboo that it does in more straight laced countries like Northern Europe or the USA. So riders who get caught (usually when they venture outside Spain) tend to quietly serve their ban and then come back into the fold. It's all part of the game. Also with the state having very little interest in pursuing dopers and with Unzue's contacts; it's unlikely he;ll get publically shamed.

There are some obvious exceptions like Manzano, but these are few and far between;and I think Unzue is generally on very good terms with his riders and forms a good connection with them; so there's little motivation to tell-all. There's certainly little appetite among the general public though for a Rasmussen, Landis or Bassons tell-all type character to bring down the whole team and staff. It's difficult to see a Spanish tell-all figure getting a big book contract or becoming a prominent media figure - far better to keep their head down and join the gravy train again two years later. Also see how protracted and drawn out the cases with Fuentes and del Moral became; with even state institutions playing a keen role in playing down the whole procedure.

Whistleblowers dont do 'tell alls' for money. Show me a rich whistleblower!!!

Landis has done OK - DFA is correct when you look at culture - Countries like Spain are far less uptight about doping than other countries.

How has Landis done ok?

He is a small businessman at present with probably a lot of debt. I dont see him overflowing with riches. With Trump running the show who knows how the QuiTam case will end.

Most countries turn a blind eye to their own athletes doping. Show me a country that abhors their athletes winning illegally?

Countries and their societies have different attitudes to doping and I suspect there are differences between Eastern Europe/Mediterranean Europe and Northern Europe - Just look at the example of Contador and Clenbuterol - Once it was made public he got full support from Spanish Institutions - Compare this to what is happening in England with Sky and British Cycling - No support from all from the institutions - Finally turning a 'blind eye' is true if it remains private.

British athletes get full backing from British Institutions.

Spanish busted Fuentes? UKAD let Dr Bonar go or ignored it.

UKAD ignored investigating Linda McCartney after allegations of doping.

Some MPs in British Parliament are asking some tough questions. Not the media. Wiggins won in 2012, his rise in 2009 was meteoric yet British media didn't blink.

So how has Landis done so well?

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Benotti, don't make this look complicated. It is simpler than that. Think about what would have happened to Valverde when he was banned if he had talked and tried to write a book about it? It think he is a lot better from any angle right now by not talking.

Same think with other Spanish figures with big contracts.

Nothing complicated in my post.

I don't expect anyone to talk. Least of all a character like Piti. There is nothing whatsoever to be gained by blowing the whistle, except a life of misery.

I fully expect Landis to lose the Qui Tam case.

I dont see why anyone would enter professional sport and not dope. You would be stupid to perform clean, insanely so.

You either dope or get a real job.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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The OP has a point. The question is how he has done it without being hurt or damaged.

Money. Unzue makes it rain. You bring enough money and all is forgiven.

 

[DirtyWorks]

C'mon guys, post some links!

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebio_Unzu%C3%A9

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/movistar-to-have-25-riders-but-no-big-leader-for-now/

Francisco Mancebo, banished to second-tier cycling in America after operation Puerto seemed to be closely associated with Unzue

Someone, somewhere made a list related to Unzue. Cells filled-in as red start with Karpets. Presumably all positive.
MOVISTAR TEAM Eusebio Unzue
Jesus Hoyos José Luis Arrieta Yvon Ledanois Vladimir Karpets Giovanni Visconti Alejandro Valverde Francisco Ventoso Rubén Plaza Rui Costa Pablo Lastras

Some finger pointing here: http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/04/02/actualidad/1364897396_318117.html

Unzue running a Caisse d'Epargne with NEIL STEPHENS making an appearance: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2008/01/09/ciclismo/1199902199.html

 

[DirtyWorks]

Here's an oldie. Saramanch, head of the IOC, publicly states doping should be okay. Unzue is okay with it!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/140315.stm

More Unzue smoke, and no fire.
http://www.marca.com/2013/04/02/ciclismo/1364909226.html

 

[bigcog]

Re: Re:

I think it helps as well that he's operating a Spanish team with largely spanish riders. Doping doesn't carry the same taboo that it does in more straight laced countries like Northern Europe or the USA. So riders who get caught (usually when they venture outside Spain) tend to quietly serve their ban and then come back into the fold. It's all part of the game. Also with the state having very little interest in pursuing dopers and with Unzue's contacts; it's unlikely he;ll get publically shamed.

There are some obvious exceptions like Manzano, but these are few and far between;and I think Unzue is generally on very good terms with his riders and forms a good connection with them; so there's little motivation to tell-all. There's certainly little appetite among the general public though for a Rasmussen, Landis or Bassons tell-all type character to bring down the whole team and staff. It's difficult to see a Spanish tell-all figure getting a big book contract or becoming a prominent media figure - far better to keep their head down and join the gravy train again two years later. Also see how protracted and drawn out the cases with Fuentes and del Moral became; with even state institutions playing a keen role in playing down the whole procedure.

Whistleblowers dont do 'tell alls' for money. Show me a rich whistleblower!!!

Landis has done OK - DFA is correct when you look at culture - Countries like Spain are far less uptight about doping than other countries.

The spanish look after their own, they don't spit in the soup. The anglos on the other hand are high and mighty nauseating hypocrites in pretty much all aspects of life and like to hang each other out to dry.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

I think it helps as well that he's operating a Spanish team with largely spanish riders. Doping doesn't carry the same taboo that it does in more straight laced countries like Northern Europe or the USA. So riders who get caught (usually when they venture outside Spain) tend to quietly serve their ban and then come back into the fold. It's all part of the game. Also with the state having very little interest in pursuing dopers and with Unzue's contacts; it's unlikely he;ll get publically shamed.

There are some obvious exceptions like Manzano, but these are few and far between;and I think Unzue is generally on very good terms with his riders and forms a good connection with them; so there's little motivation to tell-all. There's certainly little appetite among the general public though for a Rasmussen, Landis or Bassons tell-all type character to bring down the whole team and staff. It's difficult to see a Spanish tell-all figure getting a big book contract or becoming a prominent media figure - far better to keep their head down and join the gravy train again two years later. Also see how protracted and drawn out the cases with Fuentes and del Moral became; with even state institutions playing a keen role in playing down the whole procedure.

Whistleblowers dont do 'tell alls' for money. Show me a rich whistleblower!!!

Landis has done OK - DFA is correct when you look at culture - Countries like Spain are far less uptight about doping than other countries.

The spanish look after their own, they don't spit in the soup. The anglos on the other hand are high and mighty nauseating hypocrites in pretty much all aspects of life and like to hang each other out to dry.

What a load of BS.

Fuentes got hung out to dry same as Roger Freeman is being made a scapegoat for Sky's doping.

Plenty have Spanish have spat in the soup.

 

[hrotha]

It's almost as if "the Spanish" and "the Anglos" are not monolithic hive minds, but include groups with very different mentalities and agendas regarding doping and every other topic.

Some Spaniards went after Fuentes, some others protected him.

Mind-blowing, I know.