Where is Pat McQuaids integrity?

[Dr. Maserati]

If we remember back to this time last year Pat held an extraordinary press conference to explain that the UCI (or Verbruggen) could not hide a positive from 2001.

The UCI take seriously the accusation that the UCI took a bribe to hide the positive test of Lance Armstrong in 2001," McQuaid said.

"We've contacted in recent days the labs involved for testing for EPO at that time. I have statement here from those labs that support what I am about to say. The letters will also soon be published on the UCI website in a sign of transparency.

"First the letter from the Paris lab, that is under the AFLD. They had three positives for EPO in the UCI account between 2001 and 2003. Two in 2001 and one in 2003. All the reports were sent to the UCI in 2001 and 2002 and 2003 were also sent CPLD and also sent to the International Olympic Committee. In relation to Lausanne, there were 18 positive tests for EPO for the UCI controlled by this lab between 2001 and 2003: six in 2001, four in 2002 and eight in 2003. All analysis were sent to IOC and Swiss Olympic.

So, for 2001 its 2 + 6 = 8.

Almost one year on and of course the "letters" never appeared on the UCI website....... anyone want to guess why?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Would it be that the numbers Pat 'presented' do not add up?

1. Bo Hamburger - EPO. Caught O.O.C April 2001. (Reported 10 May 2001)
2. Roland Meier - EPO. Caught Fleche Wallone April 2001. (Reported, 16 May 2001.)
3. Laurent Chotard - EPO. Caught Tour de Romandie April 2001. (Reported 1 June 2001.)
4. Sergio Barbero - EPO. Caught Tour de Romandie April 2001. (Reported 1 June 2001.)
5. Pascal Herve - EPO. Caught Giro d'Italia May 2001. (Reported 6th June 2001.)
6. Riccardo Forconi - EPO - Caught Giro d'Italia May 2001. (Reported 7th June 2001.)
7. Txema del Olmo - EPO - Caught Tour de France. (Reported 26th July 2001.)
8. Massimo Strazzer - EPO - Caught Worlds Track Champ. (Reported 2nd November 2001.)
9. Juan Llanderas - EPO - Caught Worlds Track Champ. (Reported 2nd November 2001.)
10. Nicklas Axelsson - EPO - World Road Race - (Reported 10th November 2001.)

 

[Benotti69]

as i said on the other thread i hope someone sponsors Landis to screw McQuaid and Verbruggen to the wall for the incompetence and absolute mafia hands on of the uci dragging a sport riddled with PEDs down further.

They can even release the information out without making themselves look like complete fools that we know they are.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Missing the Point

You guys are missing the point.

They will FORCE the numbers to add up. Getting letters from labs fell off the priority stack.

The way the UCI handles doping is a 'Heads I win. Tails you lose.' hustle.

Casinos have worse odds than the UCI's doping game and they are still making a killing off suckers. The UCI has it very good right now. And as long as you guys are arguing over minor details, the UCI retains whatever credibility it has at the IOC.

At minimum, until WADA publishes anonymous statistics about testing results, nothing changes.

 

[Benotti69]

You guys are missing the point.

The numbers add up. Getting letters from labs fell off the priority stack.

The way the UCI handles doping is a 'Heads I win. Tails you lose.' hustle.

Casinos have worse odds than the UCI's doping game and they are still making a killing off suckers. The UCI has it very good right now. And as long as you guys are arguing over minor details, the UCI retains whatever credibility it has at the IOC.

At minimum, until WADA publishes anonymous statistics about testing results, nothing changes.

When did the IOC ever gain credibility.

 

[User Guide]

mcQuack+integrity= LMFAO

 

[DirtyWorks]

When did the IOC ever gain credibility.

Yeah, that's another topic all on its own though... Let's work on getting cycling more transparent and save that monster for later.

 

[roundabout]

IIRC while Hamburger and Strazzer had positive A samples, B samples were below the positive limit.

Still, the question is does a positive A sample make for a positive test?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

IIRC while Hamburger and Strazzer had positive A samples, B samples were below the positive limit.

Still, the question is does a positive A sample make for a positive test?

True - Hamburger, Strazzer & Llanderas eventually had their cases overturned. But even with this Pats numbers are wrong.

More to the point if PMcQ was only offering A & B positives (or sanctions) it leaves open the possibility of Armstrong returning a positive A sample in 2001 and the B sample disappearing.

 

[roundabout]

I would hope that these letters if they exist do shed some light on the maths used by McQuaid.

 

[Benotti69]

McQuaid left his integrity in south africa in the 70's when he rode in a race under a pseudonym

 

[MacRoadie]

McQuaid left his integrity in south africa in the 70's when he rode in a race under a pseudonym

Exactly.

McQuaid lied to the sponsors, promoter and to the local federation by racing under an alias, thereby perpetrating a fraud.

He willfully broke an international boycott and rode against the wishes of his national federation and the IOC.

He showed that his own selfish well-being was more important to him than showing solidarity against the horror of apartheid.

Apparently there weren't any races 6,000 miles closer to home that weren't being boycotted due to apartheid.

Integrity?

 

[Basecase]

Exactly.

McQuaid lied to the sponsors, promoter and to the local federation by racing under an alias, thereby perpetrating a fraud.

He willfully broke an international boycott and rode against the wishes of his national federation and the IOC.

He showed that his own selfish well-being was more important to him than showing solidarity against the horror of apartheid.

Apparently there weren't any races 6,000 miles closer to home that weren't being boycotted due to apartheid.

Integrity?

and then again maybe he was just a young cyclist wanting to ride a race.

If you are all so opinionated why don't you raise issues through appropriate channels such as regional and national federation level - but hey that might involve putting something back into the sport. Much easier to gripe on here eh!!

 

[D-Queued]

and then again maybe he was just a young cyclist wanting to ride a race.

If you are all so opinionated why don't you raise issues through appropriate channels such as regional and national federation level - but hey that might involve putting something back into the sport. Much easier to gripe on here eh!!

I have expressed my concerns to my national federation. Have you?

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

and then again maybe he was just a young cyclist wanting to ride a race.

If you are all so opinionated why don't you raise issues through appropriate channels such as regional and national federation level - but hey that might involve putting something back into the sport. Much easier to gripe on here eh!!

Well if you were to listen to Pat, you might think he was a young wide eyed boy....

O’M: In the 70's you were criticized for travelling to S.A. with Sean Kelly during the era of apartheid. What was going on in your mind back then?

P. McQ: Listen, in 1975 I was 22 or 23 years old. It was a huge opportunity to travel and see for myself what was really going on! I got to see the country. It had a big influence on me. I saw no apartheid in the races. Blacks and whites raced alongside one another. One of the teams was made up of black miners.

....
Of course he was 26, married and had already completed University.

If you want to lead the charge and contact your Regional Fed to pass something on to National level then go for it.
But I suspect your Nat Fed is Cycling Ireland, and then you will know what would happen there? Or maybe my experience of dealing with Regional & National feds when I was putting things back in to the sport is different from yours?

 

[D-Queued]

Well if you ....
Of course he was 26, married and had already completed University.

...

Lying about his age?

McQuaid was born 5 September 1949. Guess that answer's the question in the OP about integrity.

Not.

Dave.

 

[MacRoadie]

Well if you were to listen to Pat, you might think he was a young wide eyed boy....
....
Of course he was 26, married and had already completed University.

If you want to lead the charge and contact your Regional Fed to pass something on to National level then go for it.
But I suspect your Nat Fed is Cycling Ireland, and then you will know what would happen there? Or maybe my experience of dealing with Regional & National feds when I was putting things back in to the sport is different from yours?

Darach?

David?...

 

[MacRoadie]

and then again maybe he was just a young cyclist wanting to ride a race.

If you are all so opinionated why don't you raise issues through appropriate channels such as regional and national federation level - but hey that might involve putting something back into the sport. Much easier to gripe on here eh!!

Darach?

David?...

 

[Benotti69]

and then again maybe he was just a young cyclist wanting to ride a race.

If you are all so opinionated why don't you raise issues through appropriate channels such as regional and national federation level - but hey that might involve putting something back into the sport. Much easier to gripe on here eh!!

all the national federations with some exceptions ignored the due process in electing a new President of the UCI, IIRC, must have been all the Jameson.

When did McQuaid put anything into the sport except his own empty pockets only to fill them

 

[brianf7]

McQuaid left his integrity in south africa in the 70's when he rode in a race under a pseudonym

thats news didnt think he could ride a bike . I am sure he cant now.

 

[lurveleven]

pat mcquaid and integrity in same sentence.. does not compute

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

MacQuaid's Integrity?

I think it's up for sale on E-Bay. Reserve not yet met.

It's hard to predict what it will go for. Could be just a few Euros, or it could go higher...say...the cost of a blood analyzing machine?

 

[Basecase]

I have expressed my concerns to my national federation. Have you?

Dave.

Im not the one biatching about him on a web forum where the most effect that can be achieved is waste of space in a data centre somewhere

 

[Basecase]

Well if you were to listen to Pat, you might think he was a young wide eyed boy....
....
Of course he was 26, married and had already completed University.

If you want to lead the charge and contact your Regional Fed to pass something on to National level then go for it.
But I suspect your Nat Fed is Cycling Ireland, and then you will know what would happen there? Or maybe my experience of dealing with Regional & National feds when I was putting things back in to the sport is different from yours?

Why don't you enlighten us as to what would "happen there" instead of making titillating innuendos ..... but I doubt you will

Could you enlighten us on your experience with various feds???

 

[Basecase]

Darach?

David?...

Neither

No association with McQ - just don't like the moaning on here when there are other age old routes to achieve things

People have been moaning on here for years about McQ yet it's made no difference .... yet the mud flinging continues