Which rider is underrated/overrated?

[Miburo]

Think it's an interesting thread. Not only media but also the people on this forum, who do they underrate and overrate?

Underrated: Froome, Evans, Rogers, Nieve, Rebellin (still riding and performing at 41, crazy), Valverde (i admit it, i hate too much on him, he might posses the biggest talent of any active rider)

Slightly overrated: Contador, Cancellera, Kwiatkowski (i can't see how some consider this guy rider of the year, i just don't...)

Overrated: Quintana, Sagan, Van Garderen, (ik many call him overrated so how can he be overrated but i still see many consider this guy to be a future tour winner...unless 20 people crash out it'll never happen), Voigt.

I forgot some, this is just what comes into my mind.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why are Contador and Cancellara slightly overrated? Why is Froome underrated? Why is Evans underrated?

 

[Netserk]

Cancellara is obviously overrated, and not just slightly. Evans is overrated as well.

 

[Miburo]

Why are Contador and Cancellara slightly overrated? Why is Froome underrated? Why is Evans underrated?

Last year Contador was first in the poll of who is gonna win the tour 1 week before it started when he was dog****. This time contador is first in the giro and tour poll.

Froome has a hard time this year and many write him off, even in the media i saw it.

Evans deserves more credit for his wins.

This is my personal opinion, this how i view it.

 

[Arredondo]

Underrated: Wiggins, Swift, Bouhanni

Slighly overrated: Matthews, Wellens, Slagter, Bardet

Overrated: Uran, Van Avermaet, Demare, Coquard

Massively hyped: Nibali

I will already answer for Netserk

Most overrated rider ever: Rodriguez

 

[Miburo]

With some luck and it's not even much that he needed, he got a lot of bad luck. Evans could have won 5 GT's

Tour 2008/2007, giro 2002, vuelta 2009.

 

[Arredondo]

With some luck and it's not even much that he needed, he got a lot of bad luck. Evans could have won 5 GT's

Tour 2008/2007, giro 2002, vuelta 2009.

In the Tour of 2007, Contador was better. In 2008, Sastre was.

And the Vuelta 09 he wouldn't have won too.

Why bad luck?

 

[Netserk]

Rodriguez is not that overrated. Most can see that he is nothing special. Uran is more underrated than overrated.

 

[Arredondo]

Rodriguez is not that overrated. Most can see that he is nothing special. Uran is more underrated than overrated.

Hehe, that's a good one

 

[JosephD]

Gallopin and Trentin are both underrated. Also think Vanmarcke should be given more praise. Agree that many people don't give Wiggins enough credit as they should.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Uran is overrated, most Colombians are overhyped.

Van Garderen is overhyped, but still underrated.

Schleck was overrated, but under appreciated.

Contador is overrated and overhyped.

Valverde is underrated and overhated.

Wiggins is underrated.

etc.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Underrated: Wiggins, Swift, Bouhanni

Slighly overrated: Matthews, Wellens, Slagter, Bardet

Overrated: Uran, Van Avermaet, Demare, Coquard

Massively hyped: Nibali

I will already answer for Netserk

Most overrated rider ever: Rodriguez

Agree except for Wellens who is a massive talent imo so not overrated and Jrod who is just getting old

 

[LaFlorecita]

Last year Contador was first in the poll of who is gonna win the tour 1 week before it started when he was dog****. This time contador is first in the giro and tour poll.

that's just because many people vote according to what they want, not what they think will happen. I do it all the time. Contador is definitely overhyped on this forum (ie he is very very popular on this forum in particular) but not overrated imo. Most people can make a fair assessment of his abilities as a rider. Except for Jens of course, but we love him because of it and he mainly overrates Alberto as some sort of hype.

 

[Arredondo]

Agree except for Wellens who is a massive talent imo so not overrated and Jrod who is just getting old

I call him slighty overrated because after watching Sporza all year, i do have the idea that we're talking about a tripple Tour winner

But his perfomance in Lombardia was impressive indeed. The first time he really confirmed all the hype (if you understand what i mean).

 

[theyoungest]

Lovely thread. Even a name like Slagter gets a mention. Overrated by whom? He rarely (if ever) pops up in a discussion.

 

[Arredondo]

Lovely thread. Even a name like Slagter gets a mention. Overrated by whom? He rarely (if ever) pops up in a discussion.

The real world says hello.

 

[Ruudz0r]

Overrated Hesjedal, Barguil, Konig, VDB, Costa

Underrated Finetto, Navardauskas, D Moreno, D Martin

 

[Angliru]

Underrated: Wiggins, Swift, Bouhanni

Slighly overrated: Matthews, Wellens, Slagter, Bardet

Overrated: Uran, Van Avermaet, Demare, Coquard

Massively hyped: Nibali

I will already answer for Netserk

Most overrated rider ever: Rodriguez

If Purito is overrated what is Richie Porte?????

 

[Afrank]

Underrated: Valverde, Nibali (not by me), Wiggins, Horner (by his rivals in 2013 Vuelta ), Navardauskas.

Overrated: Tejay, Porte, Kwiat, Sagan, Duarte (in the past), Colombians that show a little talent, Dutch riders (by the Dutch ).

Edit: Also...Overrated: Rolland, Pinot (a few years ago see. Colombian Messiah vs. Great French Hope stuff).

 

[BigMac]

EZ. Again, the following are not necessarily the relation of this forum towards rider only, but that of the cycling world as a whole, including media and so on. On some occasions there may be a mixture of overrated with overhyped.

Overrated: Every Colombian out there. It's over the top, especially with Nairo Quintana; I'm going to be ovious and pick Contador; Michał Kwiatkowski (unbearable hype, which is even more irritating given the fact that most who take part in his bandwagon did not even know who he was last season, or to pronounce his name correctly for that matter); Carlos Alberto Betancur (beyond me how people still have faith in him); obvious TJVG pick is obvious; Wilco Kelderman, Warren Barguil and Fabio Aru to a lesser extent; Démare (in pan-flat-no-obstacle-sprint-stages).

Underrated: Carter Jones (should be regarded as the next Greg LeMond already); Rui Costa; Sep Vanmarcke; Geraint Thomas; Niki Terpstra; Greg Van Avermaet (the way people always expect him to lose); Cadel Evans.

And I'm obviously forgetting some.

Uran is overrated, most Colombians are overhyped.

Van Garderen is overhyped, but still underrated.

Schleck was overrated, but under appreciated.

Contador is overrated and overhyped.

Valverde is underrated and overhated.

Wiggins is underrated.

etc.

Good post, as always.

Overrated Hesjedal, Barguil, Konig, VDB, Costa

Underrated Finetto, Navardauskas, D Moreno, D Martin

Costa overrated? In what world!? He never makes the list of top names to win a race in this forum, few believed, during the race, that he would win Suisse, despite having been second or third in the race poll; He gets little to no attention by the press, even during his WC reign...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

This always depends on by whom. Some people underrate Evans (he still gets plenty of good placements despite being past it), but a lot of people hideously overrate him (seriously, we had an entire debate on whose GT palmarès is better, Evans' or Nibali's. I mean, for crying out loud!).

A lot of riders who get given a bucket load of hype when they first emerge but do not kick on to live up to those often unreasonable expectations count under both; Tejay van Garderen has been horrendously overrated on the back of his early performances, however because of this he often does not get the credit he deserves for the placements he gets, to pick an example. Dan Martin is another whose credit is only just catching up with the palmarès he is compiling.

It's no coincidence, however, that a lot of the riders that go in here are the very divisive ones. Hesjedal gets overrated into a contender for everything and his TT still gets massively overhyped when he's only done a couple of top notch ones in his whole career - yet because of how he has quietly accumulated his palmarès with only a couple of exceptions, he gets underrated for the results he does get.

A lot of riders who are underrated, however, are also underrated because they are under the radar; riders who accumulate a good palmarès of placements without picking up many wins or making many key moves. It's only when they do this for years that they start to be picked up on (Haimar Zubeldia, I'm looking in your direction here).

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

This thread is impossible to answer since this is different for everyone. Can't expect objective answers here

For myself I think Rui Costa is underrated by many and also a shout out to Dan Martin.

Overrated: Mostly young riders..from all nations, which is logical, they are new and exciting to see them come through

 

[BigMac]

This always depends on by whom. Some people underrate Evans (he still gets plenty of good placements despite being past it), but a lot of people hideously overrate him (seriously, we had an entire debate on whose GT palmarès is better, Evans' or Nibali's. I mean, for crying out loud!).

A lot of riders who get given a bucket load of hype when they first emerge but do not kick on to live up to those often unreasonable expectations count under both; Tejay van Garderen has been horrendously overrated on the back of his early performances, however because of this he often does not get the credit he deserves for the placements he gets, to pick an example. Dan Martin is another whose credit is only just catching up with the palmarès he is compiling.

It's no coincidence, however, that a lot of the riders that go in here are the very divisive ones. Hesjedal gets overrated into a contender for everything and his TT still gets massively overhyped when he's only done a couple of top notch ones in his whole career - yet because of how he has quietly accumulated his palmarès with only a couple of exceptions, he gets underrated for the results he does get.

A lot of riders who are underrated, however, are also underrated because they are under the radar; riders who accumulate a good palmarès of placements without picking up many wins or making many key moves. It's only when they do this for years that they start to be picked up on (Haimar Zubeldia, I'm looking in your direction here).

That's very well written and I even agree with it, but we want names, Libertine. Names.

 

[BlurryVII]

Massively Underrated: Horner

Underrated: Dani Moreno - Kruijswijk - Malori - Valverde - Rebellin - Evans - Samu Sanchez - Poels - Albasini - Gerrans - Greipel - Castroviejo - Bouhanni - Wiggins - Niemec - Ulissi - Caruso

Slightly Overrated: Cancellara - Phinney - Majka - Dennis - Teklehaimanot - Visconti - Boonen - Kwiato - Moser - Sagan - Stybar - Slagter - Pinot - Porte - G.Thomas - Kristoff - Breschel

Overrated: Nairo & Dayer Quintana - Uran - Duarte - Chaves - most of the colombian riders (except for Henao) - Bob Jungels - Schleck bros - Voeckler - Rolland - Talansky - Bardet - A.Hansen - Voigt - Van garderen - Farrar - Hesjedal - EBH - Cunego - Scarponi - Mollema - Ten Dam

Massively overrated: Adam & Simon Yates (reading congratulations everytime one of them gets a top 10)- Nibali (the day he'll win a GT against a decent field, I'll change my mind) - Gilbert (2011 is over) - Roche (nico not stephen, just in case )

 

[Red Rick]

Massively overrated, Cancellara