I do not overrate it because I have sympathy to it.
I do not overate it. The majority of my building it up is clearly in jest, and i understand its not at the same level as TDS or Paris Nice etc. But when you make stupid claims anout how the TDU is miles better than the TDP, then cite both history and rider quality as variables, you must be having a laugh if you dont expect me to give a responce.
Matthijs said:
Maybe I wasn't claer enough, but I mean off course history at the top of cycling. It's an artificial promotion Pologne got and allthough I really like Poland and think the idea of pro racing back again in eastern europe is very good, I do not overrate it because I have sympathy to it.
Tatra Mts are untill 3000m I believe, how many stages go there? In the edition Ballan won for instance, I saw only some minor hills. Not worse or better then Eneco style racing, sure better then Wilunga though.
Why I react, is because I think you really overrate the Tour of Pologne. I think it's a good race. Interesting hilly stages, open sprints. But part of the reason is the not so strong racing field: sprints and racing tacticks in general are more open when racing isn't dominated by strong teams.
But on the other hand: Bauke Mollema had his moment of glory, so probably it is a real hard mountain tour with the best contenders. Otherwise he wouldn't be bothered to show his strength
Your attempt to get out of what you said is weak.
Really weak. You act as if you didnt make the comments you did, add some extra drivel, and then try to create a very cheap and outrageous argument based on one edition.
Dont act like you didnt make the comments in your first post. Here is what you said:
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We know some people like Pologne, but it is defenitely the weakest PT-race..
So its worse than the TDU
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Eneco >>> TDU >>> Pologne.
So its way worse than the TDU, and in a totaly lower league than the Eneco Tour.
Now your trying to get out of this. You have made no attempt to defend the absurd "TDU >>> TDP" quote.
Or is it so obvious that arguments and evidence arent neccesary. If history and field quality are important, then please do enlighten us what makes the TDU so much better???? Its not like the tdu has more exciting racing either.
Or do you admit you were wrong in claiming the TDU is so superior?
But theres more.
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Eneco has more history and better contenders then Pologne.
Now you add.
"So how much of that history is at any good level? How much champions before it became PT?"
A race doesnt need to have top quality contenders to have history. That is absurd. And who are you to say that the riders behind the iron curtain who did not have access to west european races, were not " at any good level". Its offensive and stupid.
But just when it seems it cant get any better, you come up with this
Racing field: well, Ballan is good at classics, real high class in his days of form. No topcontender at stage races though. l
HAAAAAA!!. You can not be serious. So the TDP is crap because it was won by a classics rider, a world champion at that, but you say a race won by the following riders is miles better. Here we go
* 2005 : Bobby Julich (USA)
* 2006 : Stefan Schumacher (GER)
* 2007 : Iván Gutiérrez (ESP)
* 2008 : Iván Gutiérrez (ESP)
* 2009 : Edvald Boasson Hagen (NOR)
* 2010 : Tony Martin (GER)
You have the audacity to tell Ballan hes no stage race contender, but praise a race with that hall of fame ?? WOW!
But not content YET. On you march. On to the next.
It's like getting cavendish in Pays vasco and call it a real good racing field while it's a mountain stage race. Of course some guys attend to ride themself at form, just as Eneco, but the support level is just, well, even below Eneco leve
You compare it to Cav riding the Basque country? You serious? But a power tter - tony martin wining the 2010 edition, or a sprinter - Ebh winning the previous one, those are the things that make the eneco tour <<< <<< to the race Ballan won?
But whats more cheap is that you took one of the tdp winners - Ballan, and act as if NO ONE ELSE has ever won it, and say that it doesnt count because hes a classics rider. JEEEZ.
You do realise Kim Kirchen and Daniel Martin won it, and both Cadel Evans and Robert Gesink came 2nd. The only thing the Eneco Tour has is a Nibali 3rd place. By your standards, if you were to look at the Eneco tour podium history, (objectively of course) you would find far weaker names than the TDP ones.
To conclude, I think if you were to take your comments replace the words "TDP" for "Vuelta", and " Ballan" for "Valverde" your entire comment would look just the same and make about as much sence. Drivel about how it doesnt count because hes a classics rider, acting as if he is the only person to ever win the race, claims that the it doenst have a history because those riders "were not at any good level", and a total refusal to even look at the race you are claiming is so much better, because you know full well that the Eneco tour hall of fame is hardly any better.
Pathetic.
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