Why are British cyclists so much better than Australian cyclists?

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rolfrae said:
Couldn't agree more. It's a bit daft that Brailsford's "Project Worlds" or whatever it is supposed to be couldn't even afford the airfare to send someone over to recon the course. That should have happened early in the year.

Appartently they recced the course in January when Sky were there for the TDU. I expect they thought more of the laps would have been raced at a slower pace after a more animated run in from Melbourne before bursting into action for the final couple of laps, but of course Italy & Belgium had other ideas trying to kill off the sprinters early & in the end killing off their owner riders. Excellent win by Thor although it was definately more a classics course rather than a sprinters course. Mind you Cav did better than a lot of you on the forum were predicting, I remember dropped after 2 -3 laps were bandied about instead stayed for 7 at quite a high pace.
 
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BigChain said:
My God, ACF not only gives Australians a bad name as far as cycling goes, he follows Collingwood as well. What a wan***. From another Australian.

Post of the ****ing century
 
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Roland Rat said:
Surrey League courses make it easier for the sole commissaire in his 15 year old Rover to keep an eye on proceedings. It would be impossible if the bunch was splattered all over Leith Hill.

The Premiers need to be longer, too. It's ridiculous the highest level racing in the UK consists of 8 races lasting around 3-4 hours, and a bunch of crits. Our "Elite" level isn't elite at all, and it shows when we go to the continent. The Premier Calendar died with the Tour of the Peak. Now that was a road race.

My idea for improving the state of British road racing was a series of things I guess you could call 'Premier Weekends' or some such.

Problem: lack of fans
Solution: circuit racing
Problem: lack of hills
Solution: do them lots of times

Now, there are some places in Britain with some mean hills inside the cities - Swansea we've seen thanks to Constitution Hill. But how about this one, from Sheffield?
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Sheffield used to be in the Tour of Britain a few years ago I think, but they just rode into the city centre. But the city is known for being built on seven hills (its only link to Rome perhaps), none of which were used.

What I'd think of doing is a Criterium International-style format.

Have a short circuit on the Saturday, probably a flattish criterium or circuit race of about 5-6km in the city (rather like the crit series they have?) followed by a TT... you could probably use the same circuit and do two laps for a 10-12km TT - perfect for spectators as they can see the riders several times and if you're near the start/finish you can see and meet the riders.

Then, on the Sunday, have a longer circuit, say 15-20km, which loops in and out of town exposing the riders to poorer roads and wind in flatter areas, and to climbs and descents in hillier ones (and of course you don't necessarily need to leave the city for them, as shown in Swansea in the ToB), and do 10 laps of this circuit - I think I've seen on Eurosport a race that does something like this. Lincoln?

Have the whole thing covered with a genuine GC kept with jerseys and everything. That way, no the climbs wouldn't be able to create genuine GC riders or anything, but riders would be used to races that climb a lot, and stage race riding - after all there are no real stage races outside of the ToB that I know of, though I may not be the best person to ask - I don't really follow the British domestic calendar, mainly because it's full of crits and occasional flattish races.

Edit - after a few minutes searching for 'cobbled hills Britain', we get things like this:

Clovelly, Devon (so somewhere where the ToB DOES go):
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Shaftesbury, Dorset:
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Those look brutal.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Clovelly, Devon (so somewhere where the ToB DOES go):
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theres not really any way in and out of clovelly though, the whole village is a tourist visitors centre.

however, the ToB has passed near Porlock hill THREE TIMES NOW and still not gone up it. Take a look at the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4viue3zAw0

theyve also passed by countesbury hill nearby three times as well and never used it (can only find video of the descent) 25% in places.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7rQe4aPRbc
 
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MadonePro said:
Because they didn't earn points to qualify. Which states the point, not good enough...

Wins by county from current cycle sport magazine

Italy 92
Spain 79
France 74
Germany 41
Belgium 32
Australia 26
Netherlands 22
UK 20

So above swiss,USA, denmark, norway etc.
Yeah we are absolute crap:rolleyes: I can remember the days when there was no brit in the tour, I think we are improving no?
 
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MadonePro said:
Because they didn't earn points to qualify. Which states the point, not good enough...
Thank you! precisely my point
lanternrouge said:
Post of the ****ing century
Oh, I am sooooo cut!:rolleyes:
Ferminal said:
You do realise Porte got fourth?

Don't bother! We were better than them in Mendrisio (where wiggins had a sook in the tt), better than them in Melbourne, we will own the in the velodrome in India and on the road and that will put to rest that Australians are much better than the Brits at cycling. Settled!
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Thank you! precisely my point

Oh, I am sooooo cut!:rolleyes:


Don't bother! We were better than them in Mendrisio (where wiggins had a sook in the tt), better than them in Melbourne, we will own the in the velodrome in India and on the road and that will put to rest that Australians are much better than the Brits at cycling. Settled!

To be fair, half the brits havnt gone to india.

To be honest, I think you are the only one who actually cares.

I support loads of riders, some british, some not, Im not overwhelmingly nationalistic. But you seem to be the only person with this insane, rose tinted, short sighted lunatic nationalistic bias and determination to prove that australia is better than everyone else. Myself I couldnt give a **** how GB are rated as far as the rest of the world goes, I root for individual riders some british , some foreign, and support a british based team In Sky, but I also (did) like vaconsoleil, and a few other teams, but wether or not GB are better than the convicts, couldnt care either way. I only argue about it cos its fun :D

Although i do support GB on the track, but i think that is because they generally compete as a national squad in all races. the worlds etc are the only road race where they compete as countries. Same reason as i couldnt overly care about national football teams. Liverpool first, country comes after.

BUt here we are, this will make you happy, after the swimming, the archery and squash you are ahead of such notable sporting nations as Wales, Malaysia and Guernsey. You truly are a sporting superpower.
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Blake792008 said:
Im not 100% percent sure but isnt the Ryder Cup purely between Europe and USA and if so how is Australia suppose to Qaulify

I think he was trying to be humourous.

Europe and USA play for the Ryder Cup biannually.

Every other year, USA and the "Rest of the World" (i.e. Neither Europe nor USA) play for the Presidents Cup.
 

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The British just suck at sport in general, heck we beat them 3-1 the last time we played them in that soccer crap and we don't even play the game.

I think they finally got higher then us on a medal tally at the last Olympics, before that you have to go back to 1988 in Seoul where they had a patch of 4 Olympics above us. Then its back to 1948 in London for another British win.

It was 1986/87 the last time England defeated Australia in the ashes in Australia, since then we have won 9 out of 11 ashes series. Ironically in a sport invented by them they have NEVER won the world cup while we have won 4 including the last 3 of them.

Rugby Union, 2 world cups to 1 in our favour (Played 36 times for 21 wins, 14 losses, 1 draw)

Rugby League we have won 6 of the last 7 world cups. Its back to 1972 for a British win, they have won 3 world cups to our 9.

As for cycling how could they be any good at that when they suck so bad at every other sport? Its no surprise we took home more medals last week in geelong and even less of a surprise we have 3 gold medals to 0 in the velodrome so far at the commonwealth games ;)

Yes I do love making fun of our pommy friends, just to update you all its:

AUS 8 Gold 9 Silver 4 Bronze 21 Total
ENG 2 Gold 4 Silver 4 Bronze 10 Total

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lanternrouge said:
You must be very proud
Oh we are!
Teddler said:
Aussies 3 from 3 Golds on the track at Comm Games

Perkins beat hoy's Kilo time. Bobridge did a 4:17.7 ... that was not bad. Even though the competition is low we are still putting in good times.
 
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Stay on topic or else

Guys,
Whilst I agree the topic of this thread is frankly infantile - that is NOT an excuse to start introducing stupid side threads and off topic discussion.

Want to talk about Collingwood? - start your own thread about the pies and notice that nobody cares.

Likewise golf, rugby, convicts, etc, etc, etc.

Consider this a warning that further off topic rambling in this thread will have consequences.
 
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Can anyone tell me if there are any British riders at the Commonwealth games? I looked at the race reports so far and the only names I saw were Australians, Kiwis and a Malaysian.

Oh well, Day One of the Commonwealth games and we're three Golds and at least one Bronze up already. And there were so, so, many UK riders in the finale at the Worlds....
 
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badboyberty said:
Can anyone tell me if there are any British riders at the Commonwealth games? I looked at the race reports so far and the only names I saw were Australians, Kiwis and a Malaysian.

Oh well, Day One of the Commonwealth games and we're three Golds and at least one Bronze up already. And there were so, so, many UK riders in the finale at the Worlds....

There will be 13 against Meyer in the points race... maybe if you add up all their points they will get Gold.
 
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Can anyone tell me if there are any British riders at the Commonwealth games? I looked at the race reports so far and the only names I saw were Australians, Kiwis and a Malaysian.

pretty much not. From memory, Dave Millar in the TT and Chris Froome on the road, I think thats about it

badboyberty said:
And there were so, so, many UK riders in the finale at the Worlds....

From my memory there were four british riders in the top 20 of the road race at the worlds. Cycling is not just about men you know.
 
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the_kman said:
lol at all this aus vs eng

Smallest population of both USA and UK. Smaller economy to fund sports. Much more medals/wins per capita.

i see england like a cool dad who grounds his troublesome kid by sending him to disneyland.

like seriously... they sent all their convicts to a tropical island as a punishment while they sit on a rainy rock.

Australia is great for riding but we lack mountains and I for one dont mind how the cities are as id rather have an big backyard in an urban sprawl then live in a apartment :( its worth riding tht extra 1hr to get to the country.

Lack mountains? Obviously you need to get out more. Ever gone into the Victorian High Country or rode a climb called mt baw baw or buffalo? Some tough climbs there.
 
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Ferminal said:
There will be 13 against Meyer in the points race... maybe if you add up all their points they will get Gold.

Ive just watched it on the box and I think he had more points then the others combined. :)


I could be wrong


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Ferminal said:
There will be 13 against Meyer in the points race... maybe if you add up all their points they will get Gold.


Meyer = very impressive. Very smooth.. Matt Keenan thinks he could have a big future on the road, and I am inclined to agree.
 
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hughmoore said:
Ive just watched it on the box and I think he had more points then the others combined. :)


I could be wrong


Hugh

Not quite, could have taken a couple more laps if needed though. It was a good race for the first 15km or so but he blew them away after that.

Australia only won 3/4 today which is a huge disappointment, but don't worry, we kept the Kiwis and Motherlanders away from gold (Go Malaysia!).

Perkins got DQ'ed in the Keirin semi after he was looking very impressive, Awang got DQ'ed also, after winning gold which sucks (possibly the best Keirin win I've seen) :(
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
This discussion reminds me of the Dutch-Belgian discussions on football and cycling boards :D

This thread if for the kids,
Brodeals post was good though.
 
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