World Championship 2025: Men’s ITT, September 21

[Berniece]

2'30?

Um what?

Sorry, thought 1'30.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He rode excellent at Vuelta ITT kept good pace against outstanding riders by Ganna,Vine,

No he didn't. Kung in his prime is close to be the best in TTs under 20 km. Losing 11 seconds to Ganna in 12 km is not good for his standards.

 

[Unchained]

No he didn't. Kung in his prime is close to be the best in TTs under 20 km. Losing 11 seconds to Ganna in 12 km is not good for his standards.

I wrote and then deleted my post. Kung beat 147 survivors of 18 days of grand tour, WT level racing.
He was beat by 5 people.Ganna and Almeida, being 2 of the 5..
I personally think that a 6th place in a grand tour stage is absolutely incredible, a dream for me. I dream small apparently..

 

[Peyroteo94]

I wrote and then deleted my post. Kung beat 147 survivors of 18 days of grand tour, WT level racing.
He was beat by 5 people.Ganna and Almeida, being 2 of the 5..
I personally think that a 6th place in a grand tour stage is absolutely incredible, a dream for me. I dream small apparently..

I read your old post (before you deleted).
Just to clarify, for a rider with loads of wins in TTs like Kung has, what he did in the Vuelta is anything but great.
Was Pogacar great in the Dauphiné just because he was only beaten by 3 riders? Or would Remco race a good TT tomorrow if he was 3rd?
We don't expect the same from riders, there are some we expect more because they showed to us they are better. Kung has been a top5 TT specialist in his career. We can't say he did a good TT just because he was 6th, specially in a route tailormade for him. It's really his speciality, TTs under 25 km.

 

[Berniece]

I read your old post (before you deleted).
Just to clarify, for a rider with loads of wins in TTs like Kung has, what he did in the Vuelta is anything but great.
Was Pogacar great in the Dauphiné just because he was only beaten by 3 riders? Or would Remco race a good TT tomorrow if he was 3rd?
We don't expect the same from riders, there are some we expect more because they showed to us they are better. Kung has been a top5 TT specialist in his career. We can't say he did a good TT just because he was 6th, specially in a route tailormade for him. It's really his speciality, TTs under 25 km.

It was at the end of a GT. Different rules apply.

 

[Cycling111]

It's a time trial of more than 50 minutes. There could be surprises because most riders aren't used to doing a time trial of that distance.
Remco is favorite; in such a long time trial, it's hard for the most especialist rider not to win.I think Kung will collapse; it's too long for him at this moment.

 

[HashRouge]

It's a time trial of more than 50 minutes. There could be surprises because most riders aren't used to doing a time trial of that distance.
Remco is favorite; in such a long time trial, it's hard for the most especialist rider not to win.I think Kung will collapse; it's too long for him at this moment.

I think this too. I know Pog is the bookies favourite, but that's because he's Pog and isn't really merited if we look at who has the best result in one day TTs, the length of the TT, and the parcours. All of these things tip the balance significantly towards Remco IMO.

 

[Red Rick]

Us not even bothering with the tt coinciding nicely with Hayter stuffing everyone in Luxembourg, hopefully Pidcock can get some supercompensation going in the RR otherwise it's not looking good again.

Pidcock may unironically be Pogacar's biggest competitor if his Vuelta level also translates to an improved level in one day races.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pidcock may unironically be Pogacar's biggest competitor if his Vuelta level also translates to an improved level in one day races.

Yeah, like in SB when Pogacar completely destroyed him in 18 km after kissing the ground.
Pidcock is nowhere near the level of Pogacar.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Starting order was for sure made by a true random generator.

 

[SafeBet]

Yeah, like in SB when Pogacar completely destroyed him in 18 km after kissing the ground.
Pidcock is nowhere near the level of Pogacar.

So who was Pogacar biggest competitor in SB?

 

[Cycling111]

I think this too. I know Pog is the bookies favourite, but that's because he's Pog and isn't really merited if we look at who has the best result in one day TTs, the length of the TT, and the parcours. All of these things tip the balance significantly towards Remco IMO.

For the RR, however, I see Pogacar as a bigger favorite than before seeing images of the route.

They're comparing Kimihurura with Bosberg. It's not the toughest cobbles, but some won't feel comfortable.

I think Vingegaard did well not to go; he would have suffered going through that section 15 times.
For Pogacar after Roubaix, Bosberg must seem like a motorway

 

[Peyroteo94]

So who was Pogacar biggest competitor in SB?

Hard for me to say someone was Pogacar's biggest rival but yeah Pidcock was the closest rival of Pogacar that day.

 

[del1962]

Any pictures of British riders?

I don’t think any are on start list, would have been interested in what Hayter could have done here

 

[Cycling111]

Pidcock will do well on this route.

 

[hayneplane]

Nice TT order. Vermeersch should be on the hot seat for a long time as the only solid TT rider in the first half of the starting order before the section with Van Wilder/Sobrero/Plapp/Seixas begin their battle.

Pretty even across the last part of the running order without any rider having the clear advantage of a carrot to chase of a rider they are highly likely to pull back for 2.5 minutes well before the end.

 

[CyclistAbi]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH8k-MbLKHI


Cobbled sector will likely produce some gaps.

 

[dazaau]

This start order is amazing, I just need to watch about 1hr to set all I want to see

 

[Berflamand]

The big battle is finally here today. The duel everybody has been waiting for. There's only two names that matter obviously.

Here are their starting times:

15h05:00: Ilan Van Wilder
15h52:30: Bruno Armirail

 

[tobydawq]

Yeah i checked his results I didn't realise how washed he is.

Explains why he's gonna get a big fat contract at a meme team.

A meme team? Wtf?

 

[Salvarani]

Yeah i checked his results I didn't realise how washed he is.

Explains why he's gonna get a big fat contract at a meme team.

6th in E3, 9th Dwars and 7th in Ronde is washed?

As far as ITTs goes... I dont think the Malhao ITT or the one in Suisse suited him very much.

10th, 6th and 6th in others. Two being pretty short and the last one being at the end of a GT.

When you put things into context. It is bold and foolish to say washed.

 

[search]

Kung is having a tough year. His TT performances have been very underwhelming. I don't expect him to lose 2'30" but 2' is possible specially if Kung realizes he will not top3 after the third check point.

Küng himself said that Top 10 would be a realistic goal on a course like this, so he may expect to lose even more, i guess. Sounded like focus is more on the Mixed TTT

 

[Berniece]

Long (Dutch) article about CdA. Fitting for the ITT later today

https://archive.is/jIZOE

 

[Peyroteo94]

6th in E3, 9th Dwars and 7th in Ronde is washed?

As far as ITTs goes... I dont think the Malhao ITT or the one in Suisse suited him very much.

10th, 6th and 6th in others. Two being pretty short and the last one being at the end of a GT.

When you put things into context. It is bold and foolish to say washed.

He is not washed but he is far from his old self in TTs. Results show that.

 

[Salvarani]

He is not washed but he is far from his old self in TTs. Results show that.

"Far from" is a stretch when he finished in the top 10 in 3/5 and as said... two were relatively short and one at the end of a GT.

I also dont count Malhao or an MTT in Suisse as a good representation either. Nor is this one today ideal for him.