In a one-on-one with a crazy downhiller like Nibali, I think Pinot would get dropped. But in a group of 4/5 or more, I think there would be enough concertina in the group that he would get back on after any particularly hairy corners, and reconnect with an escapee on the latter roads after the descent, so his biggest worry would be that someone like Porte would slide out in front of him.DFA123 said:
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Big yes, because of Guimard: they will listen. Like Virenque being a team player in '94, of course Indurain in '95. You have to have a DS with a plan, buy in from the riders. The story goes that Guimard threatened to drive Van Impe off the road if he didn't attack Joop, a move that won the '76 Tour. Guimard is the only human being who was not afraid of Hinault. Guimard has credibility.Leinster said:
Still, Vincenzo ftw. But Pinow in Rainbow would be sweet
.French coach says that this is the hardest course in 40 years.
Says that this is a race for pure climbers and he already has an idea of the team composition.
Says that this is a race for pure climbers and he already has an idea of the team composition.
Does Guimard still have that sort status amongst today's riders though? Don't they see him as a figure from the past? The current French riders weren't even born the last time Guimard won anything.Tonton said:
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In the past the history books are full of stories about Italians riding against their teammates, from Coppi and Bartali to the disaster of Lisboa 2001 where the likes of Bartoli and Lanfranchi rode for Mapei cause and chased back Simoni that was going to win.
Only in the last decade or so Italy has become a real team, the merit probably go to Ballerini that in 2002 was able to convince riders like Di Luca, Bettini, Petacchi to work for Cipollini cause and succeeded. Since that the team spirit has prevailed almost every time.DFA123 said:
In the past the history books are full of stories about Italians riding against their teammates, from Coppi and Bartali to the disaster of Lisboa 2001 where the likes of Bartoli and Lanfranchi rode for Mapei cause and chased back Simoni that was going to win.
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Hmm, not sure at all.
I mean after the 2016 Olympics, Bardet said that he was sh** all the day, nonetheless he didn't work a little bit for Alaphilippe and even tried to attack in the final to finally being dropped like a stone. :Neutral:
RedheadDane said:Chrispol said:RedheadDane said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhC0EV38ihA
I'd say that this is way better than Bouhanni and Demare on the friendly side, but rivalry is still a thing....
Of course they have the advantage of their rivalry being much more straightforward than Demare and Bouhanni was at first. Two guys riding against each other on different teams is just much better than two guys walking against each other on the same team.
Could Pinot or Bardet be convinced to work for the other?
Hmm, not sure at all.
I mean after the 2016 Olympics, Bardet said that he was sh** all the day, nonetheless he didn't work a little bit for Alaphilippe and even tried to attack in the final to finally being dropped like a stone. :Neutral:
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Does Guimard still have that sort status amongst today's riders though? Don't they see him as a figure from the past? The current French riders weren't even born the last time Guimard won anything.[/quote]
Great point, and I would say yes. Had the French DS won a bunch since Guimard's heyday, it would be different. And he was a rider too, one who gave Merckx a run for his money. In France, he's still the Man. Not as much as he was, but he is a monument. The riders' DS still bow to his greatness, with stories to tell. Finally, Guimard will do his homework, talk to the potential chosen, he will not pick guys that he feels won't listen.
Great point, and I would say yes. Had the French DS won a bunch since Guimard's heyday, it would be different. And he was a rider too, one who gave Merckx a run for his money. In France, he's still the Man. Not as much as he was, but he is a monument. The riders' DS still bow to his greatness, with stories to tell. Finally, Guimard will do his homework, talk to the potential chosen, he will not pick guys that he feels won't listen.
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I'm sorry if this has been posted previously in the thread, but Colombia can put in a frightening team:
Quintana
Uran
Lopez
Bernal
Henao
Chaves
Pantano
- and then Betancur (if in form) - or Hodeg or Martinez
Quintana
Uran
Lopez
Bernal
Henao
Chaves
Pantano
- and then Betancur (if in form) - or Hodeg or Martinez
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Italy or Colombia have the strongest team???
Really ?
Then take a gander at this
Froome
A Yates
S Yates
Geraint Thomas
Geoghegan Hart
James Knox
Hugh Carty
Really ?
Then take a gander at this
Froome
A Yates
S Yates
Geraint Thomas
Geoghegan Hart
James Knox
Hugh Carty
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That's nice on paper but they're often underwhelming on championships that don't involve Cavendish.HelloDolly said:
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The question is... would he have survived 70km more with 7 of those climbs in addittion?
Asero831 said:
The question is... would he have survived 70km more with 7 of those climbs in addittion?
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He did manage Col du Mont Noir earlier. He will be dropped by the climbers but you have to understand that these top notched climbers will not work with each other given the final Murito is there. So a minute lead can be covered by the chasers
bambino said:
He did manage Col du Mont Noir earlier. He will be dropped by the climbers but you have to understand that these top notched climbers will not work with each other given the final Murito is there. So a minute lead can be covered by the chasers
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He managed 2 proper climbs today. He needs to manage 8 proper climbs in September. And of course the teams with proper climbers will create damage throughout the race. Italy will propably sacrifice hard core climbers such as Aru for Nibs, Colombia will do exactly the same i.e. Quintana, Bernal and Chaves might well be domestics for Uran. Puncheurs won't last to the final proper climb and will be 5+ minutes down by the last murito. If not, the leading climber teams have failed miserably and that rarely happens to all of those teams in single day race. Dauphine is a stage race raced like a stage race and is completely different world to single day WCRR.
Asero831 said:
He managed 2 proper climbs today. He needs to manage 8 proper climbs in September. And of course the teams with proper climbers will create damage throughout the race. Italy will propably sacrifice hard core climbers such as Aru for Nibs, Colombia will do exactly the same i.e. Quintana, Bernal and Chaves might well be domestics for Uran. Puncheurs won't last to the final proper climb and will be 5+ minutes down by the last murito. If not, the leading climber teams have failed miserably and that rarely happens to all of those teams in single day race. Dauphine is a stage race raced like a stage race and is completely different world to single day WCRR.
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Maybe but before the advent of both Yates I would have agreed ...now is a different matter
Also if Froome is still riding he will want this...especially if he can beat Nibali/Quintana
jaylew said:
Maybe but before the advent of both Yates I would have agreed ...now is a different matter
Also if Froome is still riding he will want this...especially if he can beat Nibali/Quintana
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Valverde
Landa
Luisle
Soler
Ion
Gorka
Nieve
Bilbao
Herrada
De La Cruz
Alarcon
Roson
Mas
Castroviejo
Fraile
Navarro
Moreno
De La Parte
The best part about this team is that it's leader is clear, all for one. Whereas with the other countries; not so much. Valverde is also one of only few riders who can confidently wait for a sprint if he has to.
Landa
Luisle
Soler
Ion
Gorka
Nieve
Bilbao
Herrada
De La Cruz
Alarcon
Roson
Mas
Castroviejo
Fraile
Navarro
Moreno
De La Parte
The best part about this team is that it's leader is clear, all for one. Whereas with the other countries; not so much. Valverde is also one of only few riders who can confidently wait for a sprint if he has to.
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How is the italian leader not clear?DNP-Old said:Valverde
Landa
Luisle
Soler
Ion
Gorka
Nieve
Bilbao
Herrada
De La Cruz
Alarcon
Roson
Mas
Castroviejo
Fraile
Navarro
Moreno
De La Parte
The best part about this team is that it's leader is clear, all for one. Whereas with the other countries; not so much. Valverde is also one of only few riders who can confidently wait for a sprint if he has to.
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Maybe you're right, but will Aru ride for Nibali if he has to?SafeBet said:How is the italian leader not clear?DNP-Old said:Valverde
Landa
Luisle
Soler
Ion
Gorka
Nieve
Bilbao
Herrada
De La Cruz
Alarcon
Roson
Mas
Castroviejo
Fraile
Navarro
Moreno
De La Parte
The best part about this team is that it's leader is clear, all for one. Whereas with the other countries; not so much. Valverde is also one of only few riders who can confidently wait for a sprint if he has to.
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