State of the Peloton 2024

[Mayomaniac]

The foul 4 don't need team tactics during most one day races, they just roflstomp everyone else...

 

[Mayomaniac]

State of the Peloton: 2024 = 1994

We need a new Berzin!

 

[Nick2413]

I liked the one commentator explaining why VdP is so much better than everyone else: “During the week in between Flanders and Roubaix, he didn’t spend it doing recon like 90% of the other riders, he spent it in Spain.” Not sure if she got the irony though. Not that they’re not all on the same stuff but still…

 

[Ripper]

I liked the one commentator explaining why VdP is so much better than everyone else: “During the week in between Flanders and Roubaix, he didn’t spend it doing recon like 90% of the other riders, he spent it in Spain.” Not sure if she got the irony though. Not that they’re not all on the same stuff but still…

Yup, sometimes the commentators are realllllllly stretching it to find a plausible explanation. R E A L L Y stretching it.

• Did not do a recon
• Did a recon (apparently for stage races only)
• Went to a sunny/warm country
• Stayed in the cold and wet and trained on cobbles

He blasted off and then proceeded to do an alien TT for about 60 km. Only tooling around for the last 10-15 km kept him from the largest winning margin in history. Apparently van der Poel has become quite the amazing TT expert, despite still being Mr. Power Attack (has not lost a step there).

Oh, and strongest team of the race by far.

Boring as f8ck

 

[zlev11]

its a joke

 

[Rob5091]

So we've had the fastest Ronde van Vlaanderen followed by the fastest Paris-Roubaix (and last year's edition of both were the fastest ever).
It seemed at times like a bunch of jacked up kids who'd overdone the energy drinks and bags of candy. Manic almost. Talk about "junior racing"!
Tailwind, nutrition, aero, etc etc. Nothing to see here, move on now.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

to be fair though there was a big tailwind.

Also, lets be real here, the competition for PR was Pedersen (injured and not the most tactical rider) and.. yeah. Who?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

2010 Paris Roubaix average speed 39.32kmh (the one where Fabian had a motor)

2012 Paris Roubaix average speed 43.4kmh (Last time Boonen won)

2024 Paris Roubaix average speed 47.85kmh (And they had a freaking chicane)

Canc and Boonen don't make top 50 in todays race. Max Walscheid Joey Rosskopf is a superior rider to both of them.

In fact, every rider (even those outside of the time cut) beat Canc, and they also beat Boonen. Both are OTL in today's race.

You do the math.

Is he doping? Are you seriously asking that question? That's the state of the f**king peloton.

 

[Froome]

Maybe 2024=1994, but i don’t see no scandal in cycling in the near future. I don't know what they are taking, but i would love to know. Very curious about that.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Maybe 2024=1994, but i don’t see no scandal in cycling in the near future. I don't know what they are taking, but i would love to know. Very curious about that.

Is gene doping an option? In that case this could be the advent of mutants era (but without scandals!).

https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/magneto-jean-grey-and-storm-in-the-x-men-movies.jpg

 

[Froome]

Is gene doping an option? In that case this could be the advent of mutants era (but without scandals!).

Maybe, certainly it's something very very advanced, i don't believe they still use the primitive methods.

Other option i believe still strongly, it's legal doping. There's a lot of substances they can take, that are not illegal.

 

[rghysens]

So we've had the fastest Ronde van Vlaanderen followed by the fastest Paris-Roubaix (and last year's edition of both were the fastest ever).
It seemed at times like a bunch of jacked up kids who'd overdone the energy drinks and bags of candy. Manic almost. Talk about "junior racing"!
Tailwind, nutrition, aero, etc etc. Nothing to see here, move on now.

You forgot about the preceding fastest MSR ever, with a Poggio record on top

 

[rghysens]

Maybe, certainly it's something very very advanced, i don't believe they still use the primitive methods.

Other option i believe still strongly, it's legal doping. There's a lot of substances they can take, that are not illegal.

And miraculously weren´t been taken before?
The writing has been on the wall for some years (I´m not speaking about vdp alone), but what we´re witnessing now is beyond compare.

 

[Ripper]

Maybe, certainly it's something very very advanced, i don't believe they still use the primitive methods.

Other option i believe still strongly, it's legal doping. There's a lot of substances they can take, that are not illegal.

This is true. Some might require a prescription, but again, not really a barrier. And certain combinations will work much better for certain individuals.

I think a big issue with today is people are looking for a single smoking gun. However, I'm more inclined to think that we are seeing a combination of dodgy and questionably ethical improvements, as well as improvements in technology and training/nutrition methodology.

 

[Froome]

This is true. Some might require a prescription, but again, not really a barrier. And certain combinations will work much better for certain individuals.

I think a big issue with today is people are looking for a single smoking gun. However, I'm more inclined to think that we are seeing a combination of dodgy and questionably ethical improvements, as well as improvements in technology and training/nutrition methodology.

And miraculously weren´t been taken before?
The writing has been on the wall for some years (I´m not speaking about vdp alone), but what we´re witnessing now is beyond compare.

Sodium bicarbonates, ketones, we can start by there.

 

[rghysens]

Sodium bicarbonates, ketones, we can start by there.

In some podcast Jan Baekelants claimed to have used sodiumbicarbonates (baking powder) 10 years ago. And ketones were said to be the backbone of the success of quickstep and Jumbo already in 2019. Sodiumbicarbonates and ketones are jokes compared to what is en vogue nowadays.

 

[Netserk]

Maybe, certainly it's something very very advanced, i don't believe they still use the primitive methods.

Why not both?

 

[Froome]

Why not both?

I don't believe they are taking risks with primitive methods.

 

[Sciatic]

I don't believe they are taking risks with primitive methods.

I ask you awhile ago what you considered “not primitive” since you consider blood re-infusion and micro-dosing EPO primitive?

If English isn’t your native language, .”primitive” in the context you’re using it, doesn’t have the same meaning as “out-of-date” or old-fashioned, if that’s the meaning you’re shooting for in your commentary.

 

[zlev11]

Sodium bicarbonates, ketones, we can start by there.

lmao

 

[hrotha]

I don't believe they are taking risks with primitive methods.

Oh don't worry, there's little to no risk involved

 

[pastronef]

And miraculously weren´t been taken before?
The writing has been on the wall for some years (I´m not speaking about vdp alone), but what we´re witnessing now is beyond compare.

he forgot to add "new" substances. not taken before

 

[Froome]

I ask you awhile ago what you considered “not primitive” since you consider blood re-infusion and micro-dosing EPO primitive?

If English isn’t your native language, .”primitive” in the context you’re using it, doesn’t have the same meaning as “out-of-date” or old-fashioned, if that’s the meaning you’re shooting for in your commentary.

When i say primitive, i am talking about the famous methods they used in the past. Blood transfusions, EPO.

I don't believe they are using now, but maybe i'm wrong.

 

[Elos Anjos]

2010 Paris Roubaix average speed 39.32kmh (the one where Fabian had a motor)

2012 Paris Roubaix average speed 43.4kmh (Last time Boonen won)

2024 Paris Roubaix average speed 47.85kmh (And they had a freaking chicane)

Canc and Boonen don't make top 50 in todays race. Max Walscheid Joey Rosskopf is a superior rider to both of them.

In fact, every rider (even those outside of the time cut) beat Canc, and they also beat Boonen. Both are OTL in today's race.

You do the math.

Is he doping? Are you seriously asking that question? That's the state of the f**king peloton.

This is a completely ridiculous post. There's no math to be done, you're not even assessing if you can make races 10 years apart with a fair amount of accuracy. I would rather stay away from your posts.

 

[Netserk]

When i say primitive, i am talking about the famous methods they used in the past. Blood transfusions, EPO.

I don't believe they are using now, but maybe i'm wrong.

Blood doping is extremely potent. The only reason to not blood bags and EPO would be for a new product that worked as a substitute.