Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Netserk

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Valv.Piti said:
Meanwhile you're probably defending Vingegaard for not leading Wout out in last year's start in the Basque country when he easily could have won. Molano is like the 10th best sprinter here and Pog should just not be doing this. *** dumb.
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Well, Vingegaard shouldn't pull for one of his bitches. The number one, two and three goal of the Tour is to win the yellow jersey.
 
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Did you watch it? No need for that, like, at all. Its still 80-100 riders and way too risky for little to no gain. Still wouldn't have been worth it had he won, and its still incredibly stupid for UAE to bring him in the first place. Complete nonsense!

Meanwhile you're probably defending Vingegaard for not leading Wout out in last year's start in the Basque country when he easily could have won. Molano is like the 10th best sprinter here and Pog should just not be doing this. *** dumb.
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This sort of thing is completely up to the rider. And Pogacar absolutely knows how to position himself. It was 80 riders, but more importantly, they were almost fighting to not have to pull at the end to preserve the sprinters. Arguably Pogacar could've pulled earlier inside the 3km before the real leadouts start but he's a guy I'd trust to know what he's doing.

Vingegaard completely depends on what team orders were, seeing as the Jumbo's goal was to win the stage. I think the idea was that he shouldn't work, but I think Jumbo should've had the clear contingency that Vingegaard should probably pull in the last km or so. Vingegaard did freelance for Laporte in the Dauphine, and IIRC he actually got criticized for that.
 
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Pog is a brilliant racer ...he is the best in the world at the moment but he gets carried away. He has won this Giro..no need to be jumping all over the place and wining everything.Stay safe , stay calm and stay in the peloton

He has to be fresh and ready for the other three...and this will be 100% harder than this Giro...Don't get carried away now.....Eyes on the prize

"He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still." - Lao Tzu
 
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AnotherArmChair said:
Pog is a brilliant racer ...he is the best in the world at the moment but he gets carried away. He has won this Giro..no need to be jumping all over the place and wining everything.Stay safe , stay calm and stay in the peloton

He has to be fresh and ready for the other three...and this will be 100% harder than this Giro...Don't get carried away now.....Eyes on the prize

"He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still." - Lao Tzu
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He gets bored very easily. He looks a kid in a candy shop however he has done a good job in preserving some energy. I expect him to continue his sunday rides duing the second week. In fact he just needs to race a good time trial to extend his lead to 3 and half minutes.
 
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Cycling fans are a rather astute base, at least compared to a lot of other sports. In general, they know BS when they see it, and can turn on a great rider who lacks composure and grace. His lashing out at a journalist because he is tired of being asked how many stages he believes he can win, is a publicist nightmare. Just a simple polite answer that is humble is gracious will do. And going out on pointless escapades like today will only irritate the fans who want to witness his greatness. He's gotta dial it in. The sponsors and the team need this leadership too. It's not always about winning.
 
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Offline said:
SO STUPID!!!
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scribers said:
Cycling fans are a rather astute base, at least compared to a lot of other sports. In general, they know BS when they see it, and can turn on a great rider who lacks composure and grace. His lashing out at a journalist because he is tired of being asked how many stages he believes he can win, is a publicist nightmare. Just a simple polite answer that is humble is gracious will do. And going out on pointless escapades like today will only irritate the fans who want to witness his greatness. He's gotta dial it in. The sponsors and the team need this leadership too. It's not always about winning.
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Cycling exploits in the absense of journalistic coverage are meaningless. He should recognize this, as his sponsors do
 
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scribers said:
Cycling fans are a rather astute base, at least compared to a lot of other sports. In general, they know BS when they see it, and can turn on a great rider who lacks composure and grace. His lashing out at a journalist because he is tired of being asked how many stages he believes he can win, is a publicist nightmare. Just a simple polite answer that is humble is gracious will do. And going out on pointless escapades like today will only irritate the fans who want to witness his greatness. He's gotta dial it in. The sponsors and the team need this leadership too. It's not always about winning.
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What fans are irritated? Detractors might be irritated, but if they weren't criticizing him for racing hard, the would be calling him a wheel sucker so...
 
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jmdirt said:
What fans are irritated? Detractors might be irritated, but if they weren't criticizing him for racing hard, the would be calling him a wheel sucker so...
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So true. Evenepoel was revered at first but made the mistake of being petulant in public. Borderline "fans" called him arrogant, etc. Once he got injured and fought back to form he was somewhat redeemed but he became more responsible for curating his public image. To be fair; he was young and under lots of pressure.

Roglic suffered injuries and was treated fairly well by the press but ran afoul of some of the forum intelligentsia when he had the temerity to beat Remco....repeatedly. He was labelled a wheelsucker and too conservative. He did lose his self-control blaming another rider for a GT ending crash that he's since shut up about; as he should.

None of the pressure sounds like any fun.
 
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Extinction said:
Sure, but the older generation guys are speaking from the unwritten gentleman's agreement that used to prevail in cycling, but evidently, as with all modern business relationships today, no longer does. For example, if it's a sprinters's stage the race leader stays out off their turf, since sprinters have limited GT opportunities to net a victory that may be vital to secure next year's contract. Stuff like this or keeping rival teams at least not trying to sabotage you against their own interests, just out of spite to make you lose. This, to answer your question, is how the pissed off can respond to untoward imperious dominance. Yet in today's cycling I don't know if such recourse would be taken, because the call for results is just too strong.
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Limited opportunities for sprinters is a laughable claim. They get far more chances than any other type of rider.
 
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Oldermanish said:
Roglic suffered injuries and was treated fairly well by the press but ran afoul of some of the forum intelligentsia when he had the temerity to beat Remco....repeatedly. He was labelled a wheelsucker and too conservative. He did lose his self-control blaming another rider for a GT ending crash that he's since shut up about; as he should.
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Roglic ran afoul when he blamed Wright for his crash, Evenepoel and his beef started the next season though both fan bases were at each others throat. He was always labeled as conservative for the most part.
 
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Extinction said:
Sure, but the older generation guys are speaking from the unwritten gentleman's agreement that used to prevail in cycling, but evidently, as with all modern business relationships today, no longer does. For example, if it's a sprinters's stage the race leader stays out off their turf, since sprinters have limited GT opportunities to net a victory that may be vital to secure next year's contract. Stuff like this or keeping rival teams at least not trying to sabotage you against their own interests, just out of spite to make you lose. This, to answer your question, is how the pissed off can respond to untoward imperious dominance. Yet in today's cycling I don't know if such recourse would be taken, because the call for results is just too strong.
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Too bad nobody told Hinault when he went to win in yellow on the Champs-Elysées... twice!
 
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The fridge in the blue trees said:
Too bad nobody told Hinault when he went to win in yellow on the Champs-Elysées... twice!
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I knew sombody would bring this up. The Champs Elisse isn't a normal sprint stage. Hinault wouldn't have gone for any other sprint stage. It's the last day of the Tour. Why are people arguimg with me? Again, I'm just relating what others said. Don't agree with them? Fine. Don't agree with me? That's a non-sense.
 
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hayneplane said:
Limited opportunities for sprinters is a laughable claim. They get far more chances than any other type of rider.
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Nonsense. That's laughable. They are numerous and have 6, 7 chances to land a big victory in a Giro, Tour or Vuelta. It's practically their entire seasons, as far as contracts go. Unlike domestiques, they have to win to be considered successful at their jobs. Argue with those who said the original matter. Not me.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
So how do you rate Pog form? IMO he was super strong in Liege but his form kinda dropped since then (maybe he really took it easy after Liege). It could be that they really are trying to target top form for the Tour and Giro week 3. Where is @mou when wee need him?
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Hard to tell I think. I don't know enough about training, would it make sense for him to have a form buildup, that let's him peak just a bit before the Giro?
He's also supposed to not overly stress himself I guess, so we don't know how deep he dug, except for the TT, and even there he maybe could have cone faster at the start, he kind of indicated that (or it was just really good pacing, also possible ofc)
I think the important factor is how he looks compared to his rivals and I guess we can say, they look like he's toying with them.
 
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