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Weapons of @ss Destruction

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Did they employ the same person to write their statments FFS.
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One thing is certain, all three statements have been vetted by Vaughters / Slipstream (note gratuitous mention of Vaughter / Slipstream, and careful avoidance of using any current sponsor/team names in their admissions), which I suppose is to be expected as their employer.
 
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Weapons of @ss Destruction said:
One thing is certain, all three statements have been vetted by Vaughters / Slipstream (note gratuitous mention of Vaughter / Slipstream, and careful avoidance of using any current sponsor/team names in their admissions), which I suppose is to be expected as their employer.
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They are also similar to Hincapie and Leipheimer's statements.
 
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Barry: ""In the summer of 2006, I never doped again".

That's oddly formulated, to say the least.
I assume it's because even if he doped AFTER 2006, this one sentence would not be a lie. So it avoids him lying about doping after 2006.

Consistent with how dopers (caught or not) always try to find some wording or paraphrasing in their denial that, technically speaking, is not a lie (as in "I never tested positive", or "I never did anything wrong", etc.)
 
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Barry: ""In the summer of 2006, I never doped again".

That's oddly formulated, to say the least.
I assume it's because even if he doped AFTER 2006, this one sentence would not be a lie. So it avoids him lying about doping after 2006.

Consistent with how dopers (caught or not) always try to find some wording or paraphrasing in their denial that, technically speaking, is not a lie (as in "I never tested positive", or "I never did anything wrong", etc.)
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Yeah, it smells doesn't it. Still trying so hard to avoid spitting in the soup. Even when the heads are pushed almost into the soup and being told to spit they are still aiming for the floor.
 
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Of course he is trying to shift the blame. I agree with ya on that. He and GH also stick this line in "everybody did it!".

On the other hand, I hope to believe the good part of what he and GH say - that they rode clean as of 2006 - and tried since to work in that direction.
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Knowing what I know, I do not think there is any attempt to shift the blame. They accept it. They add information that provides some interesting context, especially about the team. But if you imagine this as a snip from a conversation, both MB and GH own up to their doping. Obviously they could have admitted such 6 or more years ago. But to fault someone for wanting to maintain employment and being fearful of losing everything is a bit harsh, regardless of our points of view.

Interesting day!
 
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Dear Wiggo

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Yeah, it smells doesn't it. Still trying so hard to avoid spitting in the soup. Even when the heads are pushed almost into the soup and being told to spit they are still aiming for the floor.
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Barry says "you can win clean at the highest level". I'd like a bit more detail on that - on just what exactly he thinks "highest level" and "winning clean" are. They are still going faster than Lemond or even Indurain and allegedly doing it clean.

Lots of people touting this as a chance to change cycling, while denying anything is going on today.

Reminds me of 1998 and Festina being followed by the Tour of Redemption in 1999, only Bassons gets ejected from the Tour for writing about doping.

I am happy for many that the USADA decision is being handed down publicly, but there's so much going on right now that doesn't make sense.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Barry says "you can win clean at the highest level". I'd like a bit more detail on that - on just what exactly he thinks "highest level" and "winning clean" are. They are still going faster than Lemond or even Indurain and allegedly doing it clean.

Lots of people touting this as a chance to change cycling, while denying anything is going on today.

Reminds me of 1998 and Festina being followed by the Tour of Redemption in 1999, only Bassons gets ejected from the Tour for writing about doping.

I am happy for many that the USADA decision is being handed down publicly, but there's so much going on right now that doesn't make sense.
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Nothing is going to change. They will miss the boat again.

The riders statements are weak and lack full commitment to a cleaner sport.

I dont remember reading about Mick Barry's anti doping statements since 2006! nor Hincapie nor any others.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Nothing is going to change. They will miss the boat again.

The riders statements are weak and lack full commitment to a cleaner sport.

I dont remember reading about Mick Barry's anti doping statements since 2006! nor Hincapie nor any others.
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Those statements, not only are they weak, they have the words 'perception is reality' written all over them.
I can't help but feel that JV is inventing a new omerta.
 
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Dang Lance, you WERE cheating.

The truth hurts. He should admit it or risk becoming a bigger fraud than Barry Bonds. At least Bonds gets and astrix, in some people's minds. Lance lost everything.

Legacy is what matters to those who can't compete anymore...and his is non-existant in the books now. At least Pete Rose kept his hits record...but still will never get in the Hall of Fame.

Wow. This is so refreshing.
 
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Old School said:
Dang Lance, you WERE cheating.

The truth hurts. He should admit it or risk becoming a bigger fraud than Barry Bonds. At least Bonds gets and astrix, in some people's minds. Lance lost everything.

Legacy is what matters to those who can't compete anymore...and his is non-existant in the books now. At least Pete Rose kept his hits record...but still will never get in the Hall of Fame.

Wow. This is so refreshing.
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Bonds has nothing on Armstrong in terms of evidence pointing to each's guilt. Bonds has no accusers and only some limited circumstantial evidence from a former trainer. Armstrong has 26+ former associats, including 11 former teammates who have testified about Armstrong's drug use. Bonds doesn't have a single teammate who could provide information on his alleged drug use.

Ouch! Armstrong is the biggest sports fraud ever.
 
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A partial reading of Hincapie's testimony was just shown on NBC! He said he was aware of blood transfusions on the team including his own and Armstrong's.

Awesome!
 
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No kidding.

Simon Whitfield (Canadian triathlonist)
One thing missing from statements by George, Levi, Christian & co. is an apology to the athletes of their generation that chose not to.
 
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any respect i have for Horner is gone now he couldnt even man up and admit what he did and speak up.
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Give him time. Almost everyone eventually gets there, just depends on how loud the inner voice gets. And how much sleep is lost.

Wouldn't it be funny if rider Omerta reverts the other way, ie the ones who we all know were part of the programs getting the stares and the ostracizing from the rest of the peloton...
 
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goggalor said:
It really ****es me off that they only got 6 months, and during the off season no less.
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Only six months? I guess you don't count their disqualifications. Leipheimer lost 7 years of results, the majority outside the typical 8 year Statute of Limitations. DZ lost 3 years, one outside the SoL. CVV and Danielson each lost about 2 years.
 
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