2003 Liege, we need a winner (assuming it isn't Tyler anymore)

[scottfrasernz]

So Tyler/Riis did some stuff and it worked and Tyler won. Naughty naughty.

So who should the win go to?

LOL

1. Tyler Hamilton (USA) CSC, at 6:28:50
2. Iban Mayo Diez (Sp) Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 00:12
3. Michael Boogerd (Nl) Rabobank , at 00:14
4. Michele Scarponi (I) Domina Vacanze – Elitron, at 00:21
5. Francesco Casagrande (I) LAM, at 00:29
6. Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Sp) Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 00:29
7. Javier Pascual Rodriguez (Sp) iBanesto.com, at 00:29
8. Danilo Di Luca (I) Saeco, at 00:29
9. Eddy Mazzoleni (I) Sidermec Vini Caldirola, at 00:29
10. Ivan Basso (I) Fassa Bortolo, at 00:29
11. Frank Vandenbroucke (B) Quick Step-Davitamon, at 00:40
12. Oscar Pereiro Sio (Sp) Phonak, at 00:40
13. Davide Rebellin (I) Gerolsteiner, at 00:40
14. Gianni Faresin (I) Gerolsteiner, at 00:40
15. Patrik Sinkewitz (G) Quick Step-Davitamon, at 00:40
16. Andrea Noe (I) Alessio, at 00:40
17. Aitor Osa Eizaguirre (Sp) iBanesto.com, at 00:42
18. Matthias Kessler (G) Telekom, at 00:42
19. David Etxebarria Alkorta (Sp) Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 00:45
20. Lance Armstrong (USA) U.S. Postal Service, at 00:50
21. Mirko Celestino (I) Saeco, at 01:04
22. Michele Bartoli (I) Fassa Bortolo, at 01:13
23. Walter Beneteau (F) Brioches La Boulangere, at 01:13
24. Laurent Dufaux (Swi) Alessio, at 01:15
25. Angel Vicioso Arcos (Sp) ONCE – Eroski, at 01:15
26. Christophe Moreau (F) Credit Agricole, at 01:25
27. David Canada Garcia (Sp) Quick Step-Davitamon, at 01:25
28. Manuel Beltran Martinez (Sp) Coast, at 01:27
29. Jan Ullrich (G) Coast, at 01:27
30. Axel Merckx (B) Lotto-Domo, at 02:00
31. Wladimir Belli (I) LAM, at 02:00
32. Cristian Moreni (I) Alessio, at 03:05
33. Aleksandr Shefer (Kaz) Saeco, at 03:27
34. Igor Astarloa (Sp) Saeco, at 03:27
35. Oscar Freire Gomez (Sp) Rabobank , at 03:59
36. Carlos Sastre Candil (Sp) CSC, at 03:59
37. Nicki Sorensen (Dk) CSC, at 03:59
38. Oscar Mason (I) Sidermec Vini Caldirola, at 03:59
39. Gerrit Glomser (AUT) Saeco, at 03:59
40. Kim Kirchen (Lux) Fassa Bortolo, at 04:05
41. Beat Zberg (Swi) Rabobank , at 05:26
42. Raimondas Rumsas (Lit) LAM, at 05:28
43. Franco Pellizotti (I) Alessio, at 05:28
44. Alexandr Kolobnev (Rus) Domina Vacanze – Elitron, at 06:07
45. Christophe Brandt (B) Lotto-Domo, at 06:27
46. Angel Castresana Del Val (Sp) ONCE – Eroski, at 06:27
47. Inigo Landaluze (Sp) Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 06:27
48. Fabian Wegmann (G) Gerolsteiner, at 06:51
49. Denis Lunghi (I) Alessio, at 07:08
50. Romans Vainsteins (Lat) Sidermec Vini Caldirola, at 07:08
51. Volodymir Gustov (Ukr) Fassa Bortolo, at 07:08
52. Laurent Brochard (F) Ag2R Prevoyance, at 07:08
53. Vasseur Cédric (F) Cofidis, at 07:08
54. Ellis Rastelli (I) Gerolsteiner, at 07:08
55. Richard Virenque (F) Quick Step-Davitamon, at 07:08
56. Serguei Ivanov (Rus) Fassa Bortolo, at 09:01
57. Marcus Zberg (Swi) Gerolsteiner, at 10:36
58. Clain Médéric (F) Cofidis, at 10:36
59. Ruggero Marzoli (I) Alessio, at 10:36
60. Miguel Martin Perdiguero (Sp) Domina Vacanze – Elitron, at 10:36
61. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Telekom, at 10:36
62. Jurgen Van Goolen (B) Quick Step-Davitamon, at 10:36
63. Giuseppe Guerini (I) Telekom, at 10:36
64. Nico Mattan (B) Cofidis, at 10:36
65. Vladimir Miholjevic (CRO) Alessio, at 10:36
66. Vila Errandonea Francisco Javier (Sp) LAM, at 10:36
67. Manuel Calvente (Sp) CSC, at 10:36
68. Vladimir Duma (Ukr) Landbouwkrediet – Colnago, at 10:36
69. Andrea Peron (I) CSC, at 10:36
70. BÖLts Udo (G) Gerolsteiner, at 10:36
71. Serrano Rodriguez Marcos A. (Sp) ONCE – Eroski, at 10:39
72. Jose Azevedo (P) ONCE – Eroski, at 10:39
73. Isidro Nozal Vega (Sp) ONCE – Eroski, at 10:42
74. Fabio Sacchi (I) Saeco, at 11:07
75. Serge Baguet (B) Lotto-Domo, at 11:07
76. Lara Ruiz Francisco José (Sp) Coast, at 11:07
77. Mario Aerts (B) Telekom, at 11:07
78. Rik Verbrugghe (B) Lotto-Domo, at 11:07
79. Bobby Julich (USA) Telekom, at 11:07
80. Alexandre Botcharov (Rus) Ag2R Prevoyance, at 11:07
81. Flecha Giannoni Juan Antonio (Sp) iBanesto.com, at 11:07
82. Kyrylo Pospyeyev (Ukr) Domina Vacanze – Elitron, at 11:07
83. Unai Etxebarria Arana (VEN) Euskaltel-Euskadi, at 11:07
84. Miguel Martinez (F) Phonak, at 11:39
85. Marek Rutkiewicz (Pol) Cofidis, at 12:11
86. Leukemans Björn (B) Palmans – Collstrop, at 12:11
87. Bessy Frédéric (F) Cofidis, at 12:11
88. Nicolas Vogondy (F) FDJeux.com, at 12:11
196 starters, 88 finishersWorld Cup Standings, after five rounds
1. Peter Van Petegem (B), 200 Pts.
2. Michael Boogerd (Nl), 140 Pts.
3. Dario Pieri (I), 117 Pts.
4. Tyler Hamilton (USA), 100 Pts.
5. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz), 100 Pts.
6. Paolo Bettini (I), 100 Pts.
7. Frank Vandenbroucke (B), 92 Pts.
8. Mirko Celestino (I), 91 Pts.
9. Serguei Ivanov (Rus), 79 Pts.
10. Danilo Di Luca (I), 74 Pts.
11. Vjatceslav Ekimov (Rus), 74 Pts.
12. Iban Mayo Diez (Sp), 70 Pts.
13. Michele Scarponi (I), 68 Pts.
14. Francesco Casagrande (I), 68 Pts.
15. Stuart O’Grady (Aus), 63 Pts.
16. Luca Paolini (I), 59 Pts.
17. Fabio Baldato (I), 55 Pts.
18. Erik Zabel (G), 54 Pts.
19. Davide Rebellin (I), 53 Pts.
20. Guesdon Frédéric (F), 46 Pts.
21. Matthias Kessler (G), 44 Pts.
22. Nico Mattan (B), 43 Pts.
23. Oscar Freire Gomez (Sp), 40 Pts.
24. Romans Vainsteins (Lat), 40 Pts.
25. Marc Wauters (B), 40 Pts.
26. Mario Cipollini (I), 40 Pts.
27. Javier Pascual Rodriguez (Sp), 36 Pts.
28. Andrea Tafi (I), 36 Pts.
29. Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Sp), 32 Pts.
30. Lance Armstrong (USA), 30 Pts.
31. Bernhard Eisel (AUT), 30 Pts.
32. Servais Knaven (Nl), 28 Pts.
33. Gianluca Bortolami (I), 27 Pts.
34. Gianni Faresin (I), 26 Pts.
35. Michele Bartoli (I), 24 Pts.
36. Daniele Nardello (I), 24 Pts.
37. Jan Svorada (Cz), 24 Pts.
38. Angel Vicioso Arcos (Sp), 21 Pts.
39. Dave Bruylandts (B), 21 Pts.
40. Guido Trenti (USA), 21 Pts.
41. Eddy Mazzoleni (I), 20 Pts.
42. Rolf Aldag (G), 20 Pts.
43. Fabio Sacchi (I), 17 Pts.
44. Ivan Basso (I), 16 Pts.
45. Igor Astarloa (Sp), 16 Pts.
46. Laurent Dufaux (Swi), 15 Pts.
47. Marco Serpellini (I), 15 Pts.
48. Oscar Pereiro Sio (Sp), 14 Pts.
49. Marcus Zberg (Swi), 13 Pts.
50. Salvatore Commesso (I), 13 Pts.
51. Damien Nazon (F), 13 Pts.
52. Baden Cooke (Aus), 12 Pts.
53. Patrik Sinkewitz (G), 11 Pts.
54. Graziano Gasparre (I), 11 Pts.
55. Andrea Noe (I), 10 Pts.
56. Nicolas Portal (F), 10 Pts.
57. Matthew Wilson (Aus), 10 Pts.
58. Aitor Osa Eizaguirre (Sp), 9 Pts.
59. Kim Kirchen (Lux), 9 Pts.
60. Roger Hammond (GB), 9 Pts.
61. Marc Lotz (Nl), 8 Pts.
62. David Etxebarria Alkorta (Sp), 7 Pts.
63. Beat Zberg (Swi), 7 Pts.
64. Raivis Belohvosciks (Lat), 7 Pts.
65. Ruggero Marzoli (I), 6 Pts.
66. Mario Aerts (B), 6 Pts.
67. Stefano Zanini (I), 6 Pts.
68. Tristan Hoffman (Nl), 5 Pts.
69. Ellis Rastelli (I), 4 Pts.
70. Fabian De Waele (B), 4 Pts.
71. Mariano Piccoli (I), 4 Pts.
72. Walter Beneteau (F), 3 Pts.
73. Denis Lunghi (I), 3 Pts.
74. Max Van Heeswijk (Nl), 3 Pts.
75. Tom Boonen (B), 3 Pts.
76. Enrico Cassani (I), 3 Pts.
77. Raimondas Rumsas (Lit), 2 Pts.
78. Gabriele Balducci (I), 2 Pts.
79. David Millar (GB), 2 Pts.
80. Flecha Giannoni Juan Antonio (Sp), 1 Pt.

 

[nesocip]

There are much better examples of what you want to show here. Just look at TdF top 10s in Armstrong years, half of these guys were never even caught.

 

[VeloFidelis]

So Tyler/Riis did some stuff and it worked and Tyler won. Naughty naughty.

So who should the win go to?

Since Tyler didn't test positive as the winner of LBL he's as good as anyone else on that list... at least in the top 25 or so. He's still the winner in my mind... and I don't think that any of those top 25 finishers feels like he cheated them.

 

[skippy]

Being at the Giro has resulted in an "Info gap" !

Did shamilton get any "dosh" for his tale of woe OR is he a "born again christian" suddenly ?

Could it be said that he was unaware of the "Fifth" ?

 

[Hairy Wheels]

Being at the Giro has resulted in an "Info gap" !

Did shamilton get any "dosh" for his tale of woe OR is he a "born again christian" suddenly ?

Could it be said that he was unaware of the "Fifth" ?

As far as I'm aware Tyler does't have any "god" in him so that's out. I'm not sure what "dosh" is...if you mean money...no to that as well, for now. 5th doesn't apply when you're cutting a deal to avoid prosecution...you have to tell all or nothing.

And "shamilton"....what is that? Do you think Tyler is ANY different than the rest of them? You think Ekimov should get the gold for the 0lympics TT? That guy is as dirty as the next.

The OP was spot on...no reason to take that win away and I'll go further by saying there is no reason to take any win away from him...geez, we may as well give Landis his Tour back, because there is no way that the rest of them were clean, at least near the top.

 

[D-Queued]

This is a very funny list.

I was going to suggest starting from the bottom, but even that has problems.

Dave.

 

[Hugh Januss]

This is a very funny list.

I was going to suggest starting from the bottom, but even that has problems.

Dave.

Leukemans Etxebarria Julich Verbrugghe Aerts Nozal Azevedo and we're not even in the top 70 yet.

 

[schadenfreude]

Being at the Giro has resulted in an "Info gap" !

Did shamilton get any "dosh" for his tale of woe OR is he a "born again christian" suddenly ?

Could it be said that he was unaware of the "Fifth" ?

it could be said that you are.