2011 TDF: Stage 19 - Modane - Alpe-dÂ’Huez

[MKirilenko]

Btw, who reckons that Andy should have helped and worked with Contador, with the outcome of Andy putting major time in Evans and Contador going podium. Assuming he had legs (arguable)

 

[Cerberus]

He crashed, lost time, injured his knee and had to recuperate from it.
He would have won.

The crash might have been decisive (or not, no way to know really) I was refering to just the stronger team.

 

[rides like a girl]

Craig Hummer earned his money, got an interview from AC in English where AC said he rides for 1st, other steps don't matter.

Craig interviewed Andy too. He asked Andy what he was saying to Cadel, Andy said he was asking Andy to help pull. He said he did get a response. He said he told Cadel, that AC isn't a worry for the overall and he didn't want to keep pulling only to have Cadel attack.

I don't understand why Andy would think that Cadel should help him pull? Andy is ahead of him in the standings. If AC isn't a worry, Cadel has no reason to pull for Andy, they weren't going for a speciality prize, they were just finishing. Cadel just needed to mark Andy and Frank, let them do the work and if he could attack, then do it.

Comments like this from Andy makes it hard for me to like him, if you want yellow, do the work.

If Cadel beats Andy tomorrow, wow...that would crush Andy. So close.

I am pulling for AC to get on the third step, even if he doesn't care.

 

[BYOP88]

Regardless of the yellow jersey giving you wings, Andy surely is going to pay tomorrow for 2 long and hard days.

 

[dlwssonic]

Everyone points out that Contador only took 30 seconds off Schleck in the final TT last year. What they don't mention is Menchov took 2'30" off Schleck.

It's going to come down to the day. Evans will take somewhere between 30 seconds and 3 minutes off Schleck.

wow evans has about the same TT standard as menchov IMO. however the course is more hilly this year.

 

[Cerberus]

Btw, who reckons that Andy should have helped and worked with Contador, with the outcome of Andy putting major time in Evans and Contador going podium. Assuming he had legs (arguable)

He did that, you could argue that he shouldn't have, with the outcome of Andy putting major time in on Evans on the Alpe.

 

[Teddy Boom]

The crash might have been decisive (or not, no way to know really) I was refering to just the stronger team.

A stronger team keeps him out of the crash. Or at least I think that's what the speculation is..

 

[unsheath]

speaking of lies posted earlier, who was the ******bag that posted Evans had blown up and was blaming his bike?

That would be Ryo. Nowhere to be seen the fool

 

[The Hitch]

Doesn't chance anything. He just wasn't good enough.

I think it did. If you take away the 2 minutes he lost on screwjob weekend you have Contador 2.30 down going into the tt.

And as a whole contador would have played a much safer race. He would never have been out of it, and he would be a lot fresher for Galibier, and he would not have attacked 90k out today.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Voeckler was speaking in French on the mountain and said something about Contador. He seemed very angry. Anyone know what he was saying?

He said (loosely translated) that he had a hard time holding the wheel of Contador on Telegraphe/galibier because the bikes were so close, pacing him.

 

[Ragerod]

Everyone points out that Contador only took 30 seconds off Schleck in the final TT last year. What they don't mention is Menchov took 2'30" off Schleck.

It's going to come down to the day. Evans will take somewhere between 30 seconds and 3 minutes off Schleck.

Menchov was an exception.

 

[Cerberus]

A stronger team keeps him out of the crash. Or at least I think that's what the speculation is..

Possible I suppose, no way to know really.

 

[Kwibus]

Someone on Eurosport suggested the reason Voeckler was ****ed off on Dutch corner was some of the fans heckling him for the Hoogerland incident. That's pretty low of 'em.

Yeh it was obvious that some people in the dutch corner were acting like f*cking idiots toward him.

I've seen a lot of idiots on the side of the road today though.

 

[movingtarget]

I'll be honest grand tours ending and the winner being declared ruins it for me. I much prefer the battle to the ending.

I would prefer the TT being the final stage. The Paris parade/criterium is a bit dull unless the green jersey is up for grabs and even that does not make it a really interesting stage. Maybe they could have a previous sprint stage that finishes in Paris and then the TT on the outskirts of the city.

 

[jsem94]

Lol Ryo. Evans did look pretty tired though, but the move by Andy & Conti costed too much.

Also Chapeau to Samu. Getting the polka-dots and an epic descent from Galibier too.

 

[Maxiton]

He said (loosely translated) that he had a hard time holding the wheel of Contador on Telegraphe/galibier because the bikes were so close, pacing him.

Thanks!

 

[RdBiker]

Btw, who reckons that Andy should have helped and worked with Contador, with the outcome of Andy putting major time in Evans and Contador going podium. Assuming he had legs (arguable)

He did on the Galibier but then something happened before the Alpe. I actually didn't see how Cadel brought down that 40" gap since the Eurosport feed was so poor.

 

[BYOP88]

Possible I suppose, no way to know really.

Well put it like this, Cancellara may have won the Tour for one of the Schlecks, if Saxobank had kept him then the Schlecks wouldn't be 1-2 at the moment.

 

[Kwibus]

Haha, there were loads of people saying that. Funny, they've gone quiet now!

I still think he didn't have a mechanical there. It just looked odd to me.
It's just wild guessing though and he proved me wrong anyways.

 

[abbaskip]

Menchov was an exception.

Stuart O'Grady took over 2mins off Schleck in the final TT last year...Exception too?

Jeremy Roy, Maxime Monfort, Nicki Sorensen all took about the same.

 

[MKirilenko]

He did that, you could argue that he shouldn't have, with the outcome of Andy putting major time in on Evans on the Alpe.

Nah, he didnt. He changed Conta only a several times, and very weak and short pulls those were. Im talking about an actual work, not pretend-to-work.

 

[dlwssonic]

Menchov was an exception.

menchov only finished 11th. Im sure cadel can match that or do better. However this years course is shorter and more hilly.

 

[hughmoore]

Cadel will probably start behind Frank, he will use Frank as a tortoise to chase down, good chance Cadel will overtake Frank within the 42km. (I mean catch him on the road)

Cant wait, go Cuddles.



Hugh

 

[mr. tibbs]

Btw, who reckons that Andy should have helped and worked with Contador, with the outcome of Andy putting major time in Evans and Contador going podium. Assuming he had legs (arguable)

I do! When the group came back together before l'Alpe, I posted something to the effect of, "I bet Andy wishes he was starting this climb with a gap on Evans. Shoulda drilled it on the Galibier."

Tactics tactics tactics, though! Team Lollipop-Derp! He may still win this Tour, but he's missed several opportunities to put it out of reach for anyone else.

 

[Dead Star]

Yep, of all nationalities. Really annoyed and worried me that there was going to be a collision or incident with the riders. The ASO have to do something about it. The whole thing's too big for its boots now.