2012 Criterium du Dauphiné

[DominicDecoco]

Don't think we should put too much in this. Rolland is better than that as well. Not that he's Tony, mind you.

 

[Ferminal]

hilly TT??

No, a hilly TT needs actual climbs, not 1km @ 3% on a straight road.

 

[Hammerhed]

Somehow, in the next month, Andy is going to eat his way out of the cocoon to emerge as the perfect ITT butterfly, ready to vanquish the evil butterfly slayers of the world? Stranger things have happened, I guess, but I haven't seen them. Andy was very slow on Sunday, not a good sign.

 

[Bavarianrider]

1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana 1.06.34 (48.661 km/h)
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) Predictor - Lotto 1.14
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 1.39
4 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana 1.44
5 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 2.14
6 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.16
7 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.18
8 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 2.38
9 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.39
10 Mikel Astarloza Chaurreau (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 2.42

These are not big gaps for a TT of this length.

 

[jens_attacks]

These are not big gaps for a TT of this length.

the good old days:

1 Jan Ullrich (Ger) Team Bianchi 58.32.92 (48.178 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal-Berry Floor 1.36
3 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Team Telekom 2.06
4 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 2.40
5 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Team CSC 2.43
6 Uwe Peschel (Ger) Gerolsteiner 3.26
7 David Millar (GBr) Cofidis, Credit Par Telephone 3.55
8 Inigo Chaurreau (Spa) Ag2R Prevoyance 4.01
9 David Plaza (Spa) Team Bianchi 4.37
10 Santiago Botero (Col) Team Telekom 5.00



a little bit unlikely that bradley can do the same

 

[Bavarianrider]

the good old days:

1 Jan Ullrich (Ger) Team Bianchi 58.32.92 (48.178 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal-Berry Floor 1.36
3 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Team Telekom 2.06
4 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 2.40
5 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Team CSC 2.43
6 Uwe Peschel (Ger) Gerolsteiner 3.26
7 David Millar (GBr) Cofidis, Credit Par Telephone 3.55
8 Inigo Chaurreau (Spa) Ag2R Prevoyance 4.01
9 David Plaza (Spa) Team Bianchi 4.37
10 Santiago Botero (Col) Team Telekom 5.00



a little bit unlikely that bradley can do the same

Yep those were gaps

1. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 1.16.24 (avs. 43,193 km/h)
2. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 3.04
3. Bjarne Riis (Dan) TEL 3.08
4. Abraham Olano (Spa) BAN 3.14
5. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 3.42
6. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) SAE 3.56
7. Frank Vandenbroucke (Bel) MAP 4.44
8. Zenon Jaskula (Pol) MAP 4.50
9. Beat Zberg (Swi) MER 5.00
10. Michael Boogerd (Ned) RAB 5.04
11. Jose Maria Jimenez (Spa) BAN 5.19
12. Fernando Escartin (Spa) KEL 5.23
13. Laurent Brochard (Fra) FES 5.34
14. Javier Pascual (Spa) KEL 5.35
15. Patrick Jonker (Aus) RAB 5.52
16. Erik Dekker (Ned) RAB 5.53
17. Oskar Camenzind (Swi) MAP 6.15
18. Thierry Gouvenou (Fra) BIG 6.22
19. Laurent Dufaux (Swi) FES 6.26
20. Jon Odriozola (Spa) BAT 6.35


1 Jan Ullrich (Ger) Team Deutsche Telekom 1.04.57
2 Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 2.50
3 Frank Vandenbroucke (Bel) Cofidis 2.57
4 Melchor Mauri (Spa) Sport Lisboa Benfica 3.11
5 Iñigo Cuesta Lopez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 3.38
6 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca 3.41
7 Igor Gonzalez Galdeano (Spa) Vitalicio Seguros 3.44
8 José L. Rubiera Vigil (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca 3.56
9 Pavel Tonkov (Rus) Mapei-Quick Step 4.10
10 Andrei Zintchenko (Rus) Vitalicio Seguros 4.15
11 Mikel Zarrabeitia Uranga (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 4.16
12 Manuel Beltran Martinez (Spa) Banesto 4.43
13 Laurent Brochard (Fra) Lotus-Festina 4.46
14 Viatcheslav Ekimov (Rus) Costa Almeria-Amica Chips 4.51
15 Daniele Nardello (Ita) Mapei-Quick Step 4.53
16 Jon Odriozola Mugarza (Spa) Banesto 4.59
17 Marcos A. Serrano Rodriguez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 5.11
18 Ivan Parra (Col) Vitalicio Seguros 5.36
19 Kurt van de Wouwer (Bel) Lotto-Mobistar 5.52
20 William Chann McRae (USA) Mapei-Quick Step 5.57

 

[will10]

Stage 9: Monday, July 13, Luxembourg 65 km Individual Time Trial

1. Miguel Indurain: 1hr 19min 31sec
2. Armand De Las Cuevas @ 3min
3. Gianni Bugno @ 3min 41sec
4. Zenon Jaskula @ 3min 47sec
5. Greg LeMond @ 4min 4sec
6. Pascal Lino @ 4min 6sec
7. Stephen Roche 2 4min 10sec
8. Arturas Kasputis @ 4min 26sec
9. Alex Zulle @ 4min 29sec
10. Pedro Delgado @ 4min 52sec

 

[Tony Martin brute hero]

Well seriously.
Time gaps in TT are alawys much smaller when it rains. I dont actually know why this is the case. But one can clearly observe that.

I think it is not true, when you look at certain TT's where even Tony Martin rode in the rain he demolished the field, like in the Deutschland tour of 2008. Grabsch did his TT in dry conditions and still Tony won easily

1 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia 39.49.11
2 Bert Grabsch (Ger) Team Columbia 34.27
3 Gustav Erik Larsson (Swe) Team CSC - Saxo Bank 48.27
4 Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Team Columbia 1.17.25
5 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Caisse d'Epargne 1.43.74
6 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Team Columbia 1.52.48
7 Raivis Belohvosciks (Lat) Scott - American Beef 2.23.37
8 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana 2.31.30
9 Dominik Roels (Ger) Team Milram 2.32.70
10 Jussi Veikkanen (Fin) Française des Jeux 2.40.11
11 Tanel Kangert (Est) AG2R La Mondiale 2.48.68
12 Paul Martens (Ger) Rabobank 2.54.22
13 Daniel Navarro Garcia (Spa) Astana 2.56.13
14 Aitor Hernandez Gutierrez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 2.56.67
15 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 2.58.18
16 Koos Moerenhout (Ned) Rabobank 3.05.32
17 Markel Irizar Aranburu (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 3.05.82
18 Markus Fothen (Ger) Gerolsteiner 3.08.52
19 Peter Velits (Svk) Team Milram 3.13.12
20 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Silence - Lotto 3.19.90

 

[Bavarianrider]

I think it is not true, when you look at certain TT's where even Tony Martin rode in the rain he demolished the field, like in the Deutschland tour of 2008. Grabsch did his TT in dry conditions and still Tony won easily

1 Tony Martin (Ger) Team Columbia 39.49.11
2 Bert Grabsch (Ger) Team Columbia 34.27
3 Gustav Erik Larsson (Swe) Team CSC - Saxo Bank 48.27
4 Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Team Columbia 1.17.25
5 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Caisse d'Epargne 1.43.74
6 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Team Columbia 1.52.48
7 Raivis Belohvosciks (Lat) Scott - American Beef 2.23.37
8 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana 2.31.30
9 Dominik Roels (Ger) Team Milram 2.32.70
10 Jussi Veikkanen (Fin) Française des Jeux 2.40.11
11 Tanel Kangert (Est) AG2R La Mondiale 2.48.68
12 Paul Martens (Ger) Rabobank 2.54.22
13 Daniel Navarro Garcia (Spa) Astana 2.56.13
14 Aitor Hernandez Gutierrez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 2.56.67
15 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 2.58.18
16 Koos Moerenhout (Ned) Rabobank 3.05.32
17 Markel Irizar Aranburu (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 3.05.82
18 Markus Fothen (Ger) Gerolsteiner 3.08.52
19 Peter Velits (Svk) Team Milram 3.13.12
20 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Silence - Lotto 3.19.90

Ahh nice one. BUt in dry conditions he would have smoked them even more

 

[Tony Martin brute hero]

Ahh nice one. BUt in dry conditions he would have smoked them even more

I think Martin likes the bad weather, he is very strong and can make the difference in a hard time trial, definitively not so bad for Martin, Wiggins and the time gaps if it is bad weather on thursday, hope to see a great time trial

 

[Bavarianrider]

I think Martin likes the bad weather, he is very strong and can make the difference in a hard time trial, definitively not so bad for Martin, Wiggins and the time gaps if it is bad weather on thursday, hope to see a great time trial

I am not so sure. Tony is not the best bikehandler. So rain is really not good for him in corners and so on.
I have also read several interviwes were he says he doesn't like rain, but he likes to ride in warm conditions. I hope it'LL be dry. But a strong headwind would be nice

 

[Tony Martin brute hero]

I am not so sure. Tony is not the best bikehandler. So rain is really not good for him in corners and so on.
I have also read several interviwes were he says he doesn't like rain, but he likes to ride in warm conditions. I hope it'LL be dry. But a strong headwind would be nice

At the moment he is so powerfull he can win any time trial (above 15 k) no matter what the conditions are, but we'll see maybe a Wiggins in great form can beat him in the TT

 

[Caruut]

There are two of them..

 

[Zam_Olyas]

At the moment he is so powerfull he can win any time trial (above 15 k) no matter what the conditions are, but we'll see maybe a Wiggins in great form can beat him in the TT

Great usename by the way.

 

[hughmoore]

1 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Astana 1.06.34 (48.661 km/h)
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) Predictor - Lotto 1.14
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 1.39
4 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana 1.44
5 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 2.14
6 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.16
7 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.18
8 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit par Téléphone 2.38
9 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2.39
10 Mikel Astarloza Chaurreau (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 2.42

Which TT was this, is this the one when Vino was disqualified afterwoods?

Edit: 2007 Tour when he failed the doping test and was disqualified.

Hugh

 

[Tony Martin brute hero]

Which TT was this, is this the one when Vino was disqualified afterwoods?



Hugh

Jup Albi 2007, kloeden crashed in the downhill otherwise he would have been in 2nd