2013 Doping Poll

[EnacheV]

As it's off season...

Multiple options poll. What teams had a team controlled doping program in 2013 ? Excluding dumb lonely dopers Even if they had a team controlled doping program for a few selected riders, still counts as team doping program.

8 teams plus All/None options

If other teams not on the list you can post

 

[LaFlorecita]

I voted Sky Movistar Katusha Astana Saxo-Tinkoff Radioshack and BMC. Although now that I think of it BMC's doping program must suck if they have one.

 

[hrotha]

I think Sky and Movistar are the most obvious candidates for actual team-wide doping. While Katusha certainly seems to have a cadre of riders who dope together(ish), that strikes me as a more independent thing. Katusha, Astana and the others make me think of mid-00s Phonak, where it was pretty much every man for himself.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

own definition: The minute a team looks the other way, I consider it team wide or controlled doping.

The only one of the above teams which might not run team doping would be Belkin.

Euskaltel probably made a collective decision (after the Serebryakov debacle) to go 100% clean.

 

[maltiv]

I think Sky and Movistar are the most obvious candidates for actual team-wide doping. While Katusha certainly seems to have a cadre of riders who dope together(ish), that strikes me as a more independent thing. Katusha, Astana and the others make me think of mid-00s Phonak, where it was pretty much every man for himself.

With Sky I highly doubt it's team-wide, surely they'd have more than 2-3 riders performing if that were the case.

After the Armstrong case, teams understand that they have to try and minimize risk by letting as few people as possible know about the scam. The only team right now which I think openly dopes the majority of its riders is Katusha with their 7 or so doping doctors.

 

[hrotha]

With Sky I highly doubt it's team-wide, surely they'd have more than 2-3 riders performing if that were the case.

After the Armstrong case, teams understand that they have to try and minimize risk by letting as few people as possible know about the scam. The only team right now which I think openly dopes the majority of its riders is Katusha with their 7 or so doping doctors.

When I say "team-wide" I never ever mean it literally. There's always an inner circle.

What I mean is I think it's orchestrated by the team's higher-ups.

 

[jsem94]

Voted everyone. Probably only half of them actually do. Most riders still dope though. They feel like the have to in order to secure future contracts and income.

 

[the sceptic]

When I say "team-wide" I never ever mean it literally. There's always an inner circle.

What I mean is I think it's orchestrated by the team's higher-ups.

Dont most teams have a shady doctor or two on the payroll? Its hard to know if they are doping the riders or if they are there just to make sure there are no positives I guess.

 

[BigMac]

For the people who answer ''All of them dope'' i honestlty wonder why they watch cycling. Or maybe they don't, that is just that.

 

[42x16ss]

For the people who answer ''All of them dope'' i honestlty wonder why they watch cycling. Or maybe they don't, that is just that.

Maybe they can take enjoyment from watching while still knowing what the riders have to do to carry out those performances. Why does understanding that the riders probably have to dope automatically exclude any enjoyment in the sport?

It's disappointing knowing what the top riders do, sure. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy watching it does it? Or is that not allowed

 

[diegotelmo]

its obvious that the peloton is cleaner but you guys are so blind you cant see that :|

 

[ToreBear]

I voted no teams, but I don't think cycling is clean, and I don't vote for LOL.


I just don't see any of the above teams having any organized program with top down knowledge at this time in cycling.

 

[Afrank]

For the people who answer ''All of them dope'' i honestlty wonder why they watch cycling. Or maybe they don't, that is just that.

I feel sorry for those people...(we know where that is going)

With cycling's history it's perfectly understandable to think they all dope. But thinking that doesn't mean you can't enjoy a good performance. We all know Pantani doped, but who doesn't feel excited or can't enjoy watching a replay of him solo to the win on Alpe d'Huez?

 

[ElChingon]

Why was Garmin left off?

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Voted SKY, Movistar and Astana, where Astana is most unlikely to have a doping program out of those 3. The rest of the teams might dope as well. Probably not BMC or Belkin - their results doesnt speak for it atleat

 

[IndianCyclist]

Movistar
Katusha
Europcar-this option was missed.
Astana
BMC

 

[del1962]

Movistar
Katusha
Europcar-this option was missed.
Astana
BMC

If I put the them in most likely order

Radioshack (have they thrown off Brunyeels influence)
Astana and Katusha (both top men involved in doping)
Saxo (Riis suspect but slightly less suspect than above two, arguable though)
Movistar (valverde influence)
BMC (the och, employ soigneur mentioned in reasoned decision)
Then QS (dodgy doctor)

Not that any of them are necessarily doping, but that would be the ones with the most questionmarks against them.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If I put the them in most likely order

Radioshack (have they thrown off Brunyeels influence)
Astana and Katusha (both top men involved in doping)
Saxo (Riis suspect but slightly less suspect than above two, arguable though)
Movistar (valverde influence)
BMC (the och, employ soigneur mentioned in reasoned decision)
Then QS (dodgy doctor)

Not that any of them are necessarily doping, but that would be the ones with the most questionmarks against them.

Not even a mention of Team SKY lol

 

[Ferminal]

None of them had a "team doping program".

 

[del1962]

Not even a mention of Team SKY lol

I am just giving most likely from the characters they employ and the teams histories, so Team Sky just don't feature like those mentioned by that criteria

 

[hrotha]

Oh yeah, I'd include Europcar alongside Sky and Movistar.

 

[the asian]

Belkin is the only team you can comfortably say don't have a Team wide doping program.

 

[the sceptic]

I am just giving most likely from the characters they employ and the teams histories, so Team Sky just don't feature like those mentioned by that criteria

Would you say team sky had a doping program in 2012 then? you know since they had so many dodgy characters on the team then.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Doubt anyone got a serious (US Postal style) doping program.

 

[del1962]

Would you say team sky had a doping program in 2012 then? you know since they had so many dodgy characters on the team then.

I put my thoughts out on what I see, characters involved etc, on that I make my judgement on who is more and less suspicious, and in my opinion most teams ring many more alarm bells than Sky