2013 Giro d'Italia Stage 7: San Salvo - Pescara 177km

[The Hitch]

Not posted here in the thread if he has done so. But wouldn't it be easier to just check his twitter?

My post was not a request for aquarones Twitter feed, it was a sarcastic comment about how aquarone has a record of not liking these types of stages.

 

[cineteq]

What a photo, that's an instant classic!

Nice picture from inrng:

 

[seldon71]

Just re-watched the 7th stage - few notes :

1) Wiggins was distanced and both Colombians accompanied him already in ascent of San Silvestro. The time difference between Stefano Pirazzi (leader of "main pack" at the time and Bradley Wiggins entering the corner where Wiggo went down (as did Sella for his 2nd trip to tarmac) was already 40-45 seconds.

2) Uran&Henao were with Wiggo at that point so they were no longer with the elite group. They might have been ABLE to be if let free earlier, but they were DEFINITELY NOT called back from Nibali-Hesjedal-Cadel-Samu-Santambrogio pack.

3) Actually Wiggins finished on same time as the guys who dropped him when he fell and on downhill after that. Guys like Ignatenko, Simoes Oliveira and Ziets are clearly visible around Bradley and he caught them on line.

4) So the effects of crash appear time-wise not so important and Uran did not lose a yellow due call-back (maybe due staying on Wiggo's side earlier though).

5) Calling Colombians to wait for Wiggins was NOT a big tactical blunder. Not to give at least one of them free rein earlier might have been...

 

[ILovecycling]

Just re-watched the 7th stage - few notes :

1) Wiggins was distanced and both Colombians accompanied him already in ascent of San Silvestro. The time difference between Stefano Pirazzi (leader of "main pack" at the time and Bradley Wiggins entering the corner where Wiggo went down (as did Sella for his 2nd trip to tarmac) was already 40-45 seconds.

2) Uran&Henao were with Wiggo at that point so they were no longer with the elite group. They might have been ABLE to be if let free earlier, but they were DEFINITELY NOT called back from Nibali-Hesjedal-Cadel-Samu-Santambrogio pack.

3) Actually Wiggins finished on same time as the guys who dropped him when he fell and on downhill after that. Guys like Ignatenko, Simoes Oliveira and Ziets are clearly visible around Bradley and he caught them on line.

4) So the effects of crash appear time-wise not so important and Uran did not lose a yellow due call-back (maybe due staying on Wiggo's side earlier though).

5) Calling Colombians to wait for Wiggins was NOT a big tactical blunder. Not to give at least one of them free rein earlier might have been...

Are you ****ing serious?

 

[Magnus]

Are you ****ing serious?

So you think Uran and/or Henao should have just stayed in the group where they ended up anyway(barring 9 seconds)?

 

[ILovecycling]

So you think Uran and/or Henao should have just stayed in the group where they ended up anyway(barring 9 seconds)?

No,they should have finished with Nibali group.

 

[Magnus]

No,they should have finished with Nibali group.

But then they should have been given freeom to ride for them selves from the start (like seldon71 wrote). When Wiggins crashed they were already behind.

Or are you suggesting that they started chasing the Nibali group the moment Wiggins crashed?

 

[ILovecycling]

But then they should have been given freeom to ride for them selves from the start (like seldon71 wrote). When Wiggins crashed they were already behind.

Or are you suggesting that they started chasing the Nibali group the moment Wiggins crashed?

My point was that when DS saw that Wiggins is that bad in this stage they should give them freedom.So not necessarily from the start(of the race).

 

[Magnus]

My point was that when DS saw that Wiggins is that bad in this stage they should give them freedom.So not necessarily from the start(of the race).

So you agree with seldon71 after all?

 

[seldon71]

Are you ****ing serious?

If we are talking about the decision to call them back after Wiggo crashed and made granny descent - yes, I'm serious. If they weren't called , a demoralised Wiggins would have lost another 30 secs to one minute while Colombians would AT BEST been able to help that big group from 35. onwards to finish 10-15 seconds earlier (and be part of that group). Henao/Uran would STILL have lost a minute+ to major GC contenders...

If we speak about decision to keep them on Wiggins' side on the climb of San Silvestro and assuming they were strong enough to go with 1st echelon - yes, that was a mistake. At very least one of them should have had freedom to cover GC contenders instead of staying with Sir Bradley.

Although, no team would have left their leader isolated in such scenario - none. Means Uran should have probably been the free one and Henao helper as Uran would have been riding towards pink.

 

[ILovecycling]

If we are talking about the decision to call them back after Wiggo crashed and made granny descent - yes, I'm serious. If they weren't called , a demoralised Wiggins would have lost another 30 secs to one minute while Colombians would AT BEST been able to help that big group from 35. onwards to finish 10-15 seconds earlier (and be part of that group). Henao/Uran would STILL have lost a minute+ to major GC contenders...

If we speak about decision to keep them on Wiggins' side on the climb of San Silvestro and assuming they were strong enough to go with 1st echelon - yes, that was a mistake. At very least one of them should have had freedom to cover GC contenders instead of staying with Sir Bradley.

Although, no team would have left their leader isolated in such scenario - none. Means Uran should have probably been the free one and Henao helper as Uran would have been riding towards pink.

No, we are not.I said they should have stayed with Nibali group before,how many times I have to write it