2015 Vuelta stage 20: San Lorenzo de El Escorial>Cercedilla

[WheelofGear]

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Majka is a grand wheelsucker. But a damn smart one. He always makes the right moves.

not

Again, I don't like the way he is riding but I do like the way he is thinking.

Whatever that is using Aru as a ramp to get 2nd in Sotres.

Following Quintana's wheel up a mountain.

Or using König for an entire climb to get KOM points in the Tour.

The guy is one of the smartest riders out there.

 

[bigcog]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

Yep, he can't live with other GC riders in really hard multi mountain stages. May be a TDF pacours like 2012.

 

[DFA123]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

Completely agree. They have the fastest sprinter and one of the best classics riders in the world. They should remain their priority for now. Dumoulin himself might be better served aiming for the Ardennes and stage races; can't see him repeating this GC performance in a grand tour; especially now that he'll be more closely marked.

 

[Kwibus]

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Astana pulling this off feels -------------dirty....

Why? And why is your name green? Your nit a mod I hope?

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Majka is a grand wheelsucker. But a damn smart one. He always makes the right moves.

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If Majka worked with Quintana a lot earlier, he would have a 2nd place at a GT on his palmares

 

[The Principal Sheep]

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Astana pulling this off feels -------------dirty....

Why? And why is your name green? Your not a mod I hope?

He shouldn't be, not any more at least...

 

[Broth3r]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

They need to start building a mountain team because they're a World Tour team. And that really should mean something. Teams with rosters near 30 and the highest budgets in the world. To be incomplete under those conditions, and willingly so, is unacceptable. Giant, Orica, etc.

Focusing such a team on sprints alone for cheap profit is shameful.

 

[Mr.White]

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I want Aru to win since I put money on him before the race, but again, I just think he ran out of real climbs to drop Domoulin.

Really? I'm sure you would of designed much better route, am I right?

 

[DFA123]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

They need to start building a mountain team because they're a World Tour team. And that really should mean something. Teams with rosters near 30 and the highest budgets in the world. To be incomplete under those conditions, and willingly so, is unacceptable. Giant, Orica, etc.

Focusing such a team on sprints alone for cheap profit is shameful.

Seems a bit of a cheap shot. At least they are both specialising at something and winning races. Half the world tour teams are doing nothing more than targetting a few stages an turning up at the classics with no hope of winning.

 

[Irondan]

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Another GT win for the dirtiest team in cycling!

Let's all put our hands together!

Yeah!

Ahem....wrong subform sir.....

Yep. I screwed up. I forgot I was in the PRR. I'm sorry and I accept my fate.

 

[gunara]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

They need to start building a mountain team because they're a World Tour team. And that really should mean something. Teams with rosters near 30 and the highest budgets in the world. To be incomplete under those conditions, and willingly so, is unacceptable. Giant, Orica, etc.

Focusing such a team on sprints alone for cheap profit is shameful.

And other than - maybe - Katusha (and what GT do they win?), which team do you think is complete?

 

[Mr.White]

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Majka is a grand wheelsucker. But a damn smart one. He always makes the right moves.

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If Majka worked with Quintana a lot earlier, he would have a 2nd place at a GT on his palmares

No, he would have been dropped by Quintana, and finished 4th

 

[Afrank]

Please stay away from clinic talk and get back to discussing the race. Please take moderator criticism to the appropriate thread. Thank you.

 

[Kwibus]

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I feel very sorry for Dumoulin.

me not, I dont" like Astana but Aru deserves it more than Tommy D. who belongs to clinic discussion only

Please. Just please so many ridiculous posts in this thread.
Aru certainly deserved it hence he is in the lead. Your last comment is just dumb and please stay in the clinic if thats where you want to be.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

Just with one rider to help a little at the end of La Morcuera, Dumoulin would have won la Vuelta not just by 6 sec, but with a little more. Or just Astana without Landa. But cycling is like that.

Dumoulin, like Landa or Chaves is young and he is starting to be a contender for GC, so all of them has time to get experience, and the strenth to be still more competitive in these races.

Today it was everybody againts him, but he did an impressive Vuelta, as he did an impresive Tour his first time.

if he is one year more in Giant, the team must get more good climbers. Anyway he was fresher than others in this race and he had a very good shape, it is difficult to be always at that level, but he is going to improve in the future and he will fight for the best races in the world for sure.

 

[jsem94]

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By dirty he could mean the sticky bottle from Nibali, the way they attacked Contador after he crashed prior to Mortirolo and the hand-slinging from LLS.

yeah, definitely what he meant...

Hey, I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt here

 

[Broth3r]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

They need to start building a mountain team because they're a World Tour team. And that really should mean something. Teams with rosters near 30 and the highest budgets in the world. To be incomplete under those conditions, and willingly so, is unacceptable. Giant, Orica, etc.

Focusing such a team on sprints alone for cheap profit is shameful.

Seems a bit of a cheap shot. At least they are both specialising at something and winning races. Half the world tour teams are doing nothing more than targetting a few stages an turning up at the classics with no hope of winning.

You're not wrong, sadly. All those years watching riders in orange drag themselves through Arenberg, Sky being entirely unable to do anything in classics... Giant is merely the most obvious example, and to an extent, something assumed and embraced by them, unlike others who come up with excuses when questioned about their incompetence in certain terrains or specialties.

 

[gunara]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

Just with one rider to help a little at the end of La Morcuera, Dumoulin would have won la Vuelta not just by 6 sec, but with a little more. Or just Astana without Landa. But cycling is like that.

Dumoulin, like Landa or Chaves is young and he is starting to be a contender for GC, so all of them has time to get experience, and the strenth to be still more competitive in these races.

Today it was everybody againts him, but he did an impressive Vuelta, as he did an impresive Tour his first time.

if he is one year more in Giant, the team must get more good climbers. Anyway he was fresher than others in this race and he had a very good shape, it is difficult to be always at that level, but he is going to improve in the future and he will fight for the best races in the world for sure.

I agree with your last two paragraphs. Not sure about the first two.

 

[Kwibus]

Back to racing.

Great day of racing today..plaza with an epic win and the red jersey cracking completely, allthough that wasnt what I was hoping for it certainly was great racing!

Well deserved GC win by Aru. His first big GT. Impressionante!

Gutted for Tom, but he rode a great Vuelt and should be proud and happy, but that's hard after you just lost the Vuelta on the last day that mattered.

 

[Llirael Moroth]

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Majka is a grand wheelsucker. But a damn smart one. He always makes the right moves.

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If Majka worked with Quintana a lot earlier, he would have a 2nd place at a GT on his palmares

Don't worry. He'll have GT victory in his palmares next year.

 

[Carols]

Purito second overall and in Green! Nice haul JRod!

 

[bajbar]

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Majka is a grand wheelsucker. But a damn smart one. He always makes the right moves.

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If Majka worked with Quintana a lot earlier, he would have a 2nd place at a GT on his palmares

No, he would have been dropped by Quintana, and finished 4th

No, Katusha would react earlier and in the end the gap might have been even smaller. But 2nd and 3rd are not so different in prestige that Majka would be depressed. He got an unexpected podium on his birthday for goodness sake. He must be very happy.

 

[Descender]

Drinks on me b*itches!

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[WheelofGear]

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Majka is a grand wheelsucker. But a damn smart one. He always makes the right moves.

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If Majka worked with Quintana a lot earlier, he would have a 2nd place at a GT on his palmares

No, he would have been dropped by Quintana, and finished 4th

Yep. Majka needs a nickname. I think he should go under the "The Coachman" on this forum.

While Gerrans is just sitting in the peloton, Majka is using fresh stallions as well as worn-out mules (both from other teams!) to his advantage. He is able to make everyone a domestique against their will.

Majka would even be able to domesticate the great Unaballer.

 

[Kwibus]

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Giant don't need to start building a mountain team just because of this, Dumoulin won't be a regular GT contender, and they are all okay

They need to start building a mountain team because they're a World Tour team. And that really should mean something. Teams with rosters near 30 and the highest budgets in the world. To be incomplete under those conditions, and willingly so, is unacceptable. Giant, Orica, etc.

Focusing such a team on sprints alone for cheap profit is shameful.

Seems a bit of a cheap shot. At least they are both specialising at something and winning races. Half the world tour teams are doing nothing more than targetting a few stages an turning up at the classics with no hope of winning.

You're not wrong, sadly. All those years watching riders in orange drag themselves through Arenberg, Sky being entirely unable to do anything in classics... Giant is merely the most obvious example, and to an extent, something assumed and embraced by them, unlike others who come up with excuses when questioned about their incompetence in certain terrains or specialties.

I think Giant did everything right. Allthough it was cringeworthy the first 2 years with them only being good in sprints they did scout for great potential for the future and they have slowly become better at everything. So they actually had a long term plan and they laid the foundation for that by being dominant in the sprints the first years. Because of that they got sponsors etc.