2016 Giro d'Italia - Stage 4 Catanzaro – Praia a Mare 200km

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b.broadhurst said:
StryderHells said:
b.broadhurst said:
Kwibus said:
I don't believe in Dumoulins GC ambitions this Giro. He has none really and maybe he just tried to win the stage or get some extra seconds to wear some more pink this giro.
He actually had a gap to close at the top of the climb, allthough a small one. I don't think he climbs good enough this Giro, but we'll see. He's going to wear a lot of pink though.
There isn't much difficult climbing this Giro so you never know. We will know a lot more after the Chianti TT.
He did absolutely no Altitude training leading into the race and if you are going to finish high in a GT these days you have to do that, he also weighs 4 or 5 kg's more than the Vuelta
He did none before the Vuelta as well apparently. Who knows what his actual weight his. Could just want no pressure, same approach as Vuelta 15.
Yes he did.
 
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Txrt said:
10€ for 100 on Ulissi. **** hell I thought he would be caught with 6kms left. Thank god they left one Bardiani guy do all the work until almost the last km.
Jungels pulled pretty hard from 2k to go but it wasnt enough :)
 
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Mayomaniac said:
Billie said:
Mayomaniac said:
I only watched the final 3km, did Preidler attack ealier or was he albe to stay with the favourites?
he was in a group ahead with Ulissi and Pirazzi amonst others
Now Major Tom is saying that he'd have loved to see Preidler in the leaders jersey.

Yes and? They played the Preidler card as he was feeling good and close in GC and didn't have a team to chase the break. So Preidler joined the break
 
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CheckMyPecs said:
Txrt said:
10€ for 100 on Ulissi. **** hell I thought he would be caught with 6kms left. Thank god they left one Bardiani guy do all the work until almost the last km.
Smart bet, congrats.
Thank you.

We have a small betting company in the Basque Country called Kiroljokoa, which I only use to bet on cycling. As there's obviously a huge fandom for cycling over here, they have almost every race, and from very early; odds are good, and they are a bit slow in reacting. Today for example the first time I saw Ulissi on the break, he was still at 9/1. I bet 10€ thinking they'd close to change odds, but nah, it worked well. I tried to put extra 10 after the first one, and it didn't let me that time.

With 6km to go, I put 10 in Colbrelli in case they catched him at 13/1. I shouldn't have, apparently ahahah.
 
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Kwibus said:
Kruijswijk this time a lot sharper in the forst week. Riding at the front all the time during the final and actually attacking for a few seconds.

Now I wonder if he can still grow during the race like he normally does. Normally he has a crap first week so improving his form makes sense. Now he seems to start with good form. Interesting how that will develop.
If this was the Vuelta where strange things happen I'd say Kruijswijk will win. I do see him coming top 5 here though. Hopefully he can podium though. I think it's a good sign if he's on good form now. I do think he'll continue to get better rather than drop off. So we'll see.
 
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Kwibus said:
BigMac said:
Kwibus said:
BigMac said:
Do you think I expected him to be in the first group? Between that and strolling and cheering in the gruppetto while doning rosa there's a huge gap.
Lol...what do you expect.
Such nonsense this. This is just silly hating
That he wasn't throwing a party in the autobus while wearing that jersey. But if he doesn't want it, it's not his fault he was given the opportunity to wear it in the first place.
You are obviously the only person with this opinion. So enjoy it.
This is bizarre. Do you only think what the majority thinks? It doesn't bother me to be the only one who thinks it, I don't really crave concord that much.
 
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Kwibus said:
Mayomaniac said:
Billie said:
Mayomaniac said:
I only watched the final 3km, did Preidler attack ealier or was he albe to stay with the favourites?
he was in a group ahead with Ulissi and Pirazzi amonst others
Now Major Tom is saying that he'd have loved to see Preidler in the leaders jersey.

Yes and? They played the Preidler card as he was feeling good and close in GC and didn't have a team to chase the break. So Preidler joined the break
Nothing, just a nice gesture towards his teammate.
Yeah, their team tatics were on point.
 
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Of course, Kruijswijk lost 8 minutes in the first week last year because he was poorly positioned when Astana started to make war. Obviously, he has learnt from that and won't make the same mistake this time round. Still, he looked pretty strong on that final climb, really looking forward to what he can do.
 
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Am I the only one that thinks Nibali is going to absolutely destroy Landa this Giro? Astana look at another level when it comes to seriousness, preparation of stages, positioning, and teamate strength.

Also, I have a lot of faith on Kruijswijk and Chaves for this Giro.
 
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Txrt said:
CheckMyPecs said:
Txrt said:
10€ for 100 on Ulissi. **** hell I thought he would be caught with 6kms left. Thank god they left one Bardiani guy do all the work until almost the last km.
Smart bet, congrats.
Thank you.

We have a small betting company in the Basque Country called Kiroljokoa, which I only use to bet on cycling. As there's obviously a huge fandom for cycling over here, they have almost every race, and from very early; odds are good, and they are a bit slow in reacting. Today for example the first time I saw Ulissi on the break, he was still at 9/1. I bet 10€ thinking they'd close to change odds, but nah, it worked well. I tried to put extra 10 after the first one, and it didn't let me that time.

With 6km to go, I put 10 in Colbrelli in case they catched him at 13/1. I shouldn't have, apparently ahahah.
Congrats!
 
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Txrt said:
Am I the only one that thinks Nibali is going to absolutely destroy Landa this Giro? Astana look at another level when it comes to seriousness, preparation of stages, positioning, and teamate strength.

Also, I have a lot of faith on Kruijswijk and Chaves for this Giro.
I share your sentiments about the teams and I think Nibali will win as well, but I won't say destroy necessarily, Landa will definitely be up there. But you are right, this is a Sky team riding and acting much differently compared to a Tour.
 
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Krokro said:
For this stage I would bet a good fast puncher like Ulissi or Colbrelli as well. Navardauskas would do great on that kind of terrain but his form looks not that good. Less probably but Chaves or Valverde to try something in the 18% ?
I don't see Kittel or any real sprinter getting it. It will ofc depend on the prloton pace as well.
:cool:

+1 Nibali or Valverde look sharper than Landa. We will see in high mountains if it's still the case.
Good surprises : Kruijswijk / Chaves / Dumoulin
Bad : Landa positioning, Majka ?
 
As I said it was a stage to see wich teams are strongers, and we could see some action from GC riders, without big consecuences, with Dumoulin taking the maglia back. Although some people tell me here I dont have clue about cycling.. I must knows something.

I was righ as well Valverde didnt take bonus, but he was close... looking how the race was, it is a big mistake that Valverde didnt take bonus here. Movistar has an strong team to do that, and for Valverde those seconds are important. He hadnt to sprint once there was no second bonus.

Dumoulin has already almost half a minute to Nibali, so it is difficult to think he is not going to play an important role in GC.

Landa had some problems.. Astana is much stronger than SKY here, but anyway although Landa is not a rider for suck an explosive climb, he is in good shape and he can manage well here with not a big help. But tomorrow,especially if there is wind, it will be a much difficult day, and he will suffer and starting to lose some of his big potential for the first days in the mountains.

Cannondale says is all for Uran , but on the road looks like Moser and Formolo are on their way.. I understand, we are in Italy, they are imporrtant riders with some personal objetives, but a leader need to be well protected these days.

I hoped Astana wanst full gas all the stage like last year, becouse that would have been a big problem for Hesjedal, and more without team. Finally he lost time, but no a big time..., so it is ok.

Nice stage, tomorrow the end it is no so hard, but I think it will be interesting as well.

Kruijswick looks very strong to be the first week, but it is early to take too much conclusions.

Chaves and Pozzo are very good riders with good weather, but good weather it is impossible to have all the Giro.

The most important thing is that except Peraud, we have all the important riders healthy on the race, no important crashes so far, and in 2 days we have the mountains already....
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Txrt said:
Am I the only one that thinks Nibali is going to absolutely destroy Landa this Giro? Astana look at another level when it comes to seriousness, preparation of stages, positioning, and teamate strength.

Also, I have a lot of faith on Kruijswijk and Chaves for this Giro.
I share your sentiments about the teams and I think Nibali will win as well, but I won't say destroy necessarily, Landa will definitely be up there. But you are right, this is a Sky team riding and acting much differently compared to a Tour.
Yeah, destroy wasn't fair, no. I was talking a bit from the fear of him not being even close to Nibali, as I personally would prefer Landa to win, for various different reasons.

But yeah, saying destroy is clearly overreacting after a normal stage where he actually lost no time whatsoever. However I still maintain that I see Nibali as my clear favorite to win the GC; unless there's something weird (crash, illness...).
 
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Krokro said:
Krokro said:
For this stage I would bet a good fast puncher like Ulissi or Colbrelli as well. Navardauskas would do great on that kind of terrain but his form looks not that good. Less probably but Chaves or Valverde to try something in the 18% ?
I don't see Kittel or any real sprinter getting it. It will ofc depend on the prloton pace as well.
:cool:

+1 Nibali or Valverde look sharper than Landa. We will see in high mountains if it's still the case.
Good surprises : Kruijswijk / Chaves / Dumoulin
Bad : Landa positioning, Majka ?
They are not sharper than Landa, Landa did a very good ITT for his capacity, but in the past Landa could won in Neila orr Bondone, but he lost big time in stages like today. He didnt lost time, and he dont have such a big team as Nibali, so it is ok. If Landa dont lose tome in thiss kind of stages he is day by day more favourite. He can get big time in a really hard stage. They need to put Landa at 15 minutes to dont worry about him...
 
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Txrt said:
Valv.Piti said:
Txrt said:
Am I the only one that thinks Nibali is going to absolutely destroy Landa this Giro? Astana look at another level when it comes to seriousness, preparation of stages, positioning, and teamate strength.

Also, I have a lot of faith on Kruijswijk and Chaves for this Giro.
I share your sentiments about the teams and I think Nibali will win as well, but I won't say destroy necessarily, Landa will definitely be up there. But you are right, this is a Sky team riding and acting much differently compared to a Tour.
Yeah, destroy wasn't fair, no. I was talking a bit from the fear of him not being even close to Nibali, as I personally would prefer Landa to win, for various different reasons.

But yeah, saying destroy is clearly overreacting after a normal stage where he actually lost no time whatsoever. However I still maintain that I see Nibali as my clear favorite to win the GC; unless there's something weird (crash, illness...).
Same!

Apart from Valverde... :p
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Txrt said:
Valv.Piti said:
Txrt said:
Am I the only one that thinks Nibali is going to absolutely destroy Landa this Giro? Astana look at another level when it comes to seriousness, preparation of stages, positioning, and teamate strength.

Also, I have a lot of faith on Kruijswijk and Chaves for this Giro.
I share your sentiments about the teams and I think Nibali will win as well, but I won't say destroy necessarily, Landa will definitely be up there. But you are right, this is a Sky team riding and acting much differently compared to a Tour.
Yeah, destroy wasn't fair, no. I was talking a bit from the fear of him not being even close to Nibali, as I personally would prefer Landa to win, for various different reasons.

But yeah, saying destroy is clearly overreacting after a normal stage where he actually lost no time whatsoever. However I still maintain that I see Nibali as my clear favorite to win the GC; unless there's something weird (crash, illness...).
Same!

Apart from Valverde... :p
I believe the last week is going to be a bit too hard for Alejandro; but he's always capable of the unexpected, and he hasn't been racing that much this year so far; so who knows. The team is doing well to keep him in great positions at all times, and he isn't wasting stupid energy in things that go nowehere. Three days only, but he's racing a clever Giro so far.

I believe he'll win more than one stage, but winning the overall GC is quite difficult, specially with specialists such as Nibali, etc. He'll still be one that will try things for sure, and make the race much more entertaining, like he always does in any race he takes part in.
 
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Txrt said:
Am I the only one that thinks Nibali is going to absolutely destroy Landa this Giro? Astana look at another level when it comes to seriousness, preparation of stages, positioning, and teamate strength.

Also, I have a lot of faith on Kruijswijk and Chaves for this Giro.
Can't conclude much from only this stage, but Nibali and Valverde looked sharp and attentive.
Astana in particular looks very strong and on point.
Still way too early, though Nibali form progression appears similar to 2013/2014, from horrible to impressive.
Let's see if that holds true in some more serious stage.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Cannondale says is all for Uran , but on the road looks like Moser and Formolo are on their way.. I understand, we are in Italy, they are imporrtant riders with some personal objetives, but a leader need to be well protected these days.
I don't think any rider needs to have 8 team-mates slaving for him all the time and Uran was as well protected as you would expect from the team. They rode a lot at the front of the peloton on stages 2 and 3.

And Moser perhaps will now no longer have freedom since he lost realistic shot at Maglia Rosa today.
 

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