2018 Tour of Flanders

[DFA123]

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Damn, so typical of this forum, everyone* salty because their favorite rider couldn't win and decides to deride the race and racers. Terpstra gambled big time, had great legs and it paid of.

EDIT: Some*

Don't get me wrong, Terpstra and Pedersen have been great, but Sagan's tactics, for me, were wrong (again)

What could Sagan have done? Others won't ride with him and Quickstep disrupting.

He should've just followed Terpstra/Nibali when they went. The first attack was fairly weak, and if he was there then no way would Terpstra had ridden. Obviously there's every chance someone would do it again, but the only climb left was kwaremont/paterberg, and he was strong there.

Yep, and then once Terpstra is clear. He obviously should have reacted to the move much more quickly, not just wait until the Paterberg and try to drop everyone there - when the guy up the road is a much superior rouleur to him.

 

[movingtarget]

Dominant team performance by Quickstep. Great ride by Pedersen.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: 2018 Ronde van Vlaanderen

Races without Sagan are much better now.

To much negative racing.

DS Valach is incapable. Oss should definitely try to mark the first big QS attack instead of riding tempo.

 

[Winnen]

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Did Terpstra spit on Nibali ? I hate Terpstra, racist *******.

Are you serious? Racist, towards an italian?

Oh well, at least there is no shortage of passion amongst cycling fans!

You need it explained to you?

Maybe I am stupid, but I really don't understand. Please explain?

 

[trucido]

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Great race by Terpstra. Too easy in the end for Quickstep though. Sagan looked the strongest of the rest but, as usual, his tactics were shockingly poor.

How was GvA and Vanmarcke's any better? Enlighten us.

 

[alspacka]

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Avermaet did it! He beat Sagan! Against all odds! Bet he's super satisfied with his riding today...

He and Sagan were the only favorites to attack today (except for Terpstra of course)? I didn't see him skip any turns or anything, he tried at least.

Yes I don't understand GVA criticism here. He clearly was not as strong as previously and BMC did have Roelandts chase while he could.

 

[DFA123]

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Great race by Terpstra. Too easy in the end for Quickstep though. Sagan looked the strongest of the rest but, as usual, his tactics were shockingly poor.

His **** team isn't much help either..

I thought his team was one of the better ones in the race. Obviously nowhere near the level of Quickstep, but he had Oss and Burghardt around quite late on. He needed to work with the likes of Benoot and Vanmarcke before the Kwaremont though (who I think would have been more than willing to take a pull). Not just try to drop them all on the Paterberg and go solo - that literally had a 0% chance of working against a rider as strong as Terpstra.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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chapeau gilbert. what a teammate

Indeed. And looking good for his P-R chances next week.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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Avermaet did it! He beat Sagan! Against all odds! Bet he's super satisfied with his riding today...

He and Sagan were the only favorites to attack today (except for Terpstra of course)? I didn't see him skip any turns or anything, he tried at least.

I know. He opened up the racing. He could have chased more but he shouldn't have. Same story for every powerful rider in that pack after the Kruisberg. They all made the right decision individually.

I don't even know what I'm salty at. But I'm still frustrated.

Yes I don't understand GVA criticism here. He clearly was not as strong as previously and BMC did have Roelandts chase while he could.

Yeah, I'm biting my tongue. I shouldn't single out GVA. or any rider. That's just the way it goes in a deep deep field

 

[jaylew]

Was hoping for someone other than QS but it was always likely. At least it was Terpstra. He’s been so strong this year. Clearly had the best form from QS this season. Chapeau!

 

[Irondan]

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Did Terpstra spit on Nibali ? I hate Terpstra, racist *******.

Are you serious? Racist, towards an italian?

Oh well, at least there is no shortage of passion amongst cycling fans!

You need it explained to you?

Maybe I am stupid, but I really don't understand. Please explain?

Please move on from this line of discussion.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Great race by Terpstra. Too easy in the end for Quickstep though. Sagan looked the strongest of the rest but, as usual, his tactics were shockingly poor.

How was GvA and Vanmarcke's any better? Enlighten us.

Well, to their defenses, they just didn't look like they had the strength. Sagan, at least, showed that he could make the difference

 

[d-s3]

Well, I dislike Terpstra (I know, I wrote it already).
But one has to admit that he deserves both his wins.
And (most of) so-called favorites deserve to lose for the way how they ride.

 

[Jancouver]

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Great race by Terpstra. Too easy in the end for Quickstep though. Sagan looked the strongest of the rest but, as usual, his tactics were shockingly poor.

His **** team isn't much help either..

Agree 100%

Bora should hire Stybar to work for Sagan next year ...

... I think Sagan will retire at the end of his contract. He seems to be annoyed by the tactics of everyone waiting for his attacks or to close every gap.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: 2018 Ronde van Vlaanderen

GVA is either out of form or complete idiot.

 

[red_flanders]

Ah, the inevitable tactical criticisms which assume unlimited power from the rider(s) in question. No one is ever just tired or being marked by 5 guys.

Great ride Terpstra, great attack. If there weren't 3 other QS riders it wouldn't have worked. Good job QS taking advantage of the tactical situation and a super strong finish by Terpstra.

 

[The Barb]

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Damn, so typical of this forum, everyone* salty because their favorite rider couldn't win and decides to deride the race and racers. Terpstra gambled big time, had great legs and it paid of.

EDIT: Some*

Don't get me wrong, Terpstra and Pedersen have been great, but Sagan's tactics, for me, were wrong (again)

What could Sagan have done? Others won't ride with him and Quickstep disrupting.

He should've just followed Terpstra/Nibali when they went. The first attack was fairly weak, and if he was there then no way would Terpstra had ridden. Obviously there's every chance someone would do it again, but the only climb left was kwaremont/paterberg, and he was strong there.

Yep, and then once Terpstra is clear. He obviously should have reacted to the move much more quickly, not just wait until the Paterberg and try to drop everyone there - when the guy up the road is a much superior rouleur to him.

Seriously?

Right, he should have picked the winning attack, then if the others wouldn't ride with him just powered away solo from the QS team riding as a team. Brilliant.

 

[portugal11]

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Avermaet did it! He beat Sagan! Against all odds! Bet he's super satisfied with his riding today...

He and Sagan were the only favorites to attack today (except for Terpstra of course)? I didn't see him skip any turns or anything, he tried at least.

Yes I don't understand GVA criticism here. He clearly was not as strong as previously and BMC did have Roelandts chase while he could.

roelandts had the legs to cover terpstra's attack!! But guess what? they waited for... Sagan!!

 

[phanatic]

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Great race by Terpstra. Too easy in the end for Quickstep though. Sagan looked the strongest of the rest but, as usual, his tactics were shockingly poor.

His **** team isn't much help either..

Quick step is just way better than the rest. Maybe Sagan should just follow Nibali.

 

[DFA123]

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Great race by Terpstra. Too easy in the end for Quickstep though. Sagan looked the strongest of the rest but, as usual, his tactics were shockingly poor.

How was GvA and Vanmarcke's any better? Enlighten us.

It looked like they just didn't have the legs. They weren't in the shape to drop everyone on the Paterberg. Sagan was, and should have used some of that energy earlier when Terpstra wasn't already out of sight.

 

[aphronesis]

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Did Terpstra spit on Nibali ? I hate Terpstra, racist *******.

Are you serious? Racist, towards an italian?

Oh well, at least there is no shortage of passion amongst cycling fans!

You need it explained to you?

Maybe I am stupid, but I really don't understand. Please explain?

Not the thread or subforum for it and you didn't pose the query. Take it up otherwise.

 

[Brullnux]

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Damn, so typical of this forum, everyone* salty because their favorite rider couldn't win and decides to deride the race and racers. Terpstra gambled big time, had great legs and it paid of.

EDIT: Some*

Don't get me wrong, Terpstra and Pedersen have been great, but Sagan's tactics, for me, were wrong (again)

What could Sagan have done? Others won't ride with him and Quickstep disrupting.

He should've just followed Terpstra/Nibali when they went. The first attack was fairly weak, and if he was there then no way would Terpstra had ridden. Obviously there's every chance someone would do it again, but the only climb left was kwaremont/paterberg, and he was strong there.

This is the most absurd Captain Hindsight comment I've ever read.

I don't see how following the most clearly in form rider (who has an average acceleration) on the wheel of a GT rider (with similarly poor acceleration) isn't an obvious choice. Sagan was basically on his wheel as well. He made the wrong choice, which is fine, but it just happens pretty frequently.

 

[Bolder]

No sane rider unless they were feeling superhuman would volunteer to work with Sagan in the last 15 km of any race. Still, Terpstra played it beautifully. You can't take anything away from him. Pederson, wow, that was a gritty ride and well deserved podium place.

 

[movingtarget]

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Great race by Terpstra. Too easy in the end for Quickstep though. Sagan looked the strongest of the rest but, as usual, his tactics were shockingly poor.

His **** team isn't much help either..

Agree 100%

Bora should hire Stybar to work for Sagan next year ...

... I think Sagan will retire at the end of his contract. He seems to be annoyed by the tactics of everyone waiting for his attacks or to close every gap.

He wasn't making time on Terpstra anyway.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Anyone know, when a debutant last made a monument podium?