2019 Vuelta CQ Game

It only occurred to me today that the race is a week away, so a little later than intended, but here we go:

Your team
You need to name 8 riders who will be on the startline for the Vuelta, and who have a total CQ value for the 12 months to 18th August (the Sunday before the start) of 3500 or less. Those prices are as reported in the CQ download published on 19th August.
If you pick a rider who is not on the final startlist, or your team is overbudget, I will replace him (the non-entrant or the cheapest one who can be replaced and bring you back into budget) with the most expensive replacement that will keep you in budget (this is a change from previous versions, but it shouldn't happen anyway).

There is a spreadsheet available on Dropbox that will help you get your 8 men within budget, and arrange it for submission.

Entering the game
Send your team to me by PM on either Velorooms or Cycling News forums. If you do not have sufficient posts to your name at CN, then you will find no such restriction at Velorooms.
Please send your riders' names only (not the price, not their team, preferably not even a following space) in CQ format (Surname then forename, some care needed with Spanish/South American, Danish, Eritrean and Portuguese riders). If you use the spreadsheet, that will be easy.
Entries must be sent in before the race starts, which I believe is 18:56 local time on 24th August (Yeah: I thought it looked like an odd time too). If you don't wait until the last moment, I will have a better chance of warning you if there is a problem with the team. However, please do not send in your teams until the riders' prices are confirmed.

The game
Your riders will get points for stage positions (70 for the winner, down to 1 for 10th), for starting a stage in the red jersey (18 points) and for their standings in the points and mountains categories with points given on the same scale, and GC standing (ranging from 500 for the leader to 16 for 50th, and 15 for everyone else). Those standings points can obviously increase or decrease, and gradually become a closer indication of what the final scores will be as the race goes on.
I will update daily, allowing you to become very optimistic until your top performers eventually drop away and/or withdraw from the race.

There is a secondary competition, which, after some discussion during the Tour, will be based on stage points only (not even red jersey bonuses). I'll be referring to this as the green points competition.

Enjoy the game, and good luck to your team.
 
20 of 22 teams confirmed (still waiting on INEOS and Deceuning-QS), but still no download of the up to date prices on CQ website. So think about your key picks, and be ready to adjust your minor riders when the prices are confirmed.
 
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As a new entrant, I have a question to ask. Are the numbers in the Dropbox sheet the prices (awaiting the latest revision) or is it the CQ ranking points? For example is Valverde's price 1339 or 2395?
 
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Oops: thanks for the heads up. I will attend to that straight away.

Right: sorted. I had posted the scores 01/01/19 to 11/08/19, instead of 11/08/18 to 11/08/19. (I had copied from the Emerging Riders Game rather than going back to the original). I thought the prices were a bit low. My draft has been wiped out to start again.

However, even with that correction, these scores are a guide to rough price, pending the update for the year to 18/08 which I keep checking CQ for. In the meantime, prices are available at CQ or on Search's excellent table at Velorooms
 
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About 42 hours to go, and I have 16 teams so far:
ArchieBoy
Armchair_Cyclist
Bminchow
Del1962
DJSprtsch
Googolplex
Hakkie
Jakob747
JustSomeGuy
Koronin
Leadbelly
Salvarani
Scrool07
Search
Shalgo
Triley36


All of the riders considered to have any chance of winning La Vuelta have been picked at least twice. One manager retracted Carapaz as soon as there was the possibility of him being injured, one reacted soon after his withdrawal was announced, and one is still pondering how to build a team without him.

You still have 130 chances to select a unique pick, or maybe you will put all three of the riders already in at least three quarters of the teams into your squad.
 
CQ did finally post the update, and although they have dated it as the year to 18th August, they have deleted for KOCH and BERNAS the points from races that took place on 21 Aug 2018. Those points therefore should be in the year to 18th August, and I will stick with the prices as posted at Velorooms (linked above) by Search, and that have been in the Dropbox team selector tool throughout.


However, in the case of GEBREIGZABHIER, although Search is quite right in saying that on 18th August the site reported his score as 189, the update this evening reports 204, and all the results would conform that. 189 would make sense on the basis of the score given in the 11 August update: my guess is that the good folks at CQ only picked up on his Eritrean national time trial championship win in April in the last week: that would account for the other 15 points.

GEBREIGZABHIER is on one team, but that manager had more than 15 points to spare in his budget, so the teams as they exist at the moment are not affected by this price rise. His price will therefore be 204, and I have amended Search's list and the selection tool at Dropbox accordingly.
 
A couple of people have reported having trouble finding the PM function on the new message board. Tap on my username (or merely hover over it on a laptop/PC), and select "Start Conversation".

Don't worry if you are using cut&paste and the names appear in boxes (like this list has, unexpectedly): that does not hinder me pasting it into the spreadsheet.

Teams in so far (a day and about 3 hours, I think, to go)
AmisVelo
ArchieBoy
Armchair_Cyclist
Bminchow
Comodoro
Del1962
DJSprtsch
Googolplex
Hakkie
Jakob747
JustSomeGuy
Koronin
Leadbelly
Northerner
PremierAndrew
Ripley
Salvarani
Scrool07
Search
Shalgo
TotalPackage
Triley36
 
OK, so two teams that I have downloaded this morning have included Gebregzabhier at his "old" price (before CQ discovered the results of the Eritrean national TT results from June) and are therefore a few points over budget.

So do I:
A) apply the new prices, and replace their cheapest selection with a rider a few points cheaper ("The change in his price was announced in the thread, and the price lists changed, more than 24 hours before they submitted their teams"); or
B) allow them to run a few points over ("It was an inadvertent mistake, based on treating the information source they were given in good faith")

I know which way I am inclined to vote, but I get these sudden notions of democracy from time to time.

Two hours to decide the fate of your opponents!
 
I'm late, but I'm fine with them having a slightly over budget team as well.

As for the "start conversation" to send a PM, I'm ok with it once I figured out what the heck it was. Overall the update is good, just a few things to get used to.
 
They have slid off down that rather slippery looking start ramp, so here we go

36 teams, 61 riders, 22 of them asterisked as unique picks

Amis Velo
ROGLIC Primoz
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
MEINTJES Louis
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

Archieboy
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres
RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
KNOX James
PADUN Mark
LATOUR Pierre
MADRAZO RUIZ Angel *


Armchair Cyclist
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
BENNETT Sam
RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
DE LA PARTE GONZALEZ Victor
LATOUR Pierre
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

Bicycle Boy
ROGLIC Primoz
BENNETT Sam
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
CRADDOCK Lawson *
LATOUR Pierre
HOFSTEDE Lennard
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
BARTA William

BikeRacer33
ROGLIC Primoz
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
KNOX James
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
DE LA PARTE GONZALEZ Victor
LATOUR Pierre
ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin

Blues in the Bottle
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
POGACAR Tadej
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
BAUHAUS Phil
MEINTJES Louis
BICO Nuno Miguel Alves Matos

Bminchow
ROGLIC Primoz
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
PADUN Mark
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
O'CONNOR Ben
LATOUR Pierre
MARCZYNSKI Tomasz

Carlo Algatrensig
POELS Wout
MAJKA Rafal
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
MEZGEC Luka
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
MEINTJES Louis

Comodoro
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
BAUHAUS Phil

Del1962
ROGLIC Primoz
KELDERMAN Wilco
ARU Fabio
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
MEINTJES Louis
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

DJSprtsch
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
BENNETT Sam
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
MEINTJES Louis

Fauniera***
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres
ARU Fabio
EG Niklas *
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
PADUN Mark
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul

Googolplex
ROGLIC Primoz
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
MARTIN Tony *
LATOUR Pierre
MEINTJES Louis

Hakkie
KRUIJSWIJK Steven
POELS Wout
JAKOBSEN Fabio *
GESINK Robert
TUSVELD Martijn *
BOL Jetse *
VAN GOETHEM Brian *
HOFSTEDE Lennard

Jakob747
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres
RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar
ARU Fabio
PADUN Mark
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul
O'CONNOR Ben

Josedin
POGACAR Tadej
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres
RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
MEZGEC Luka
ARU Fabio
LATOUR Pierre
RICHEZE ARAQUISTAIN Maximiliano Ariel *

Just Some Guy
KRUIJSWIJK Steven
BENNETT Sam
KELDERMAN Wilco
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
O'CONNOR Ben
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
BARTA William

Kazistuta
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
BENNETT Sam
ARU Fabio
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander *
PADUN Mark
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
BAUHAUS Phil

Koronin
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
ARU Fabio
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis *
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
KUSS Sepp *
SAMITIER SAMITIER Sergio
OWEN Logan *

Laarsland
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
MAJKA Rafal
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio

Leadbelly
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
MAJKA Rafal
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
BAUHAUS Phil

Los Brolin
ROGLIC Primoz
MAJKA Rafal
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul
LATOUR Pierre
BAUHAUS Phil
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio

Melllow Velo
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix *
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
BAUHAUS Phil
BICO Nuno Miguel Alves Matos

Northerner
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
ARU Fabio
PADUN Mark
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar
SAMITIER SAMITIER Sergio

Premier Andrew
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
BENNETT Sam
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin
MEINTJES Louis

Ripley
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
URAN URAN Rigoberto
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
BIZKARRA ETXEGIBEL Mikel *
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
BAUHAUS Phil

Rote Laterne
ROGLIC Primoz
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
LATOUR Pierre
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
PARDILLA BELLON Sergio
CUBERO GALVEZ Jorge *
BARTA William
BICO Nuno Miguel Alves Matos

Salvarani
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
BAUHAUS Phil
BARTA William

Scrool07
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
KRUIJSWIJK Steven
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
LATOUR Pierre
BATTAGLIN Enrico *
MARCATO Marco *
ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

Search
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon *
LATOUR Pierre
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
BARTA William

Shalgo
ROGLIC Primoz
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres
PADUN Mark
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
THEUNS Edward *
LATOUR Pierre
ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin
BARTA William

Tobydawq
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
URAN URAN Rigoberto
ARU Fabio
PADUN Mark
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul
LATOUR Pierre
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

Total Package
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
MEINTJES Louis

Triley36
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
URAN URAN Rigoberto
RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar
ARU Fabio
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco Jose *
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

Vladimir
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
ARU Fabio
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
LATOUR Pierre
GESINK Robert
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel

Yellow Knight
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
BENNETT Sam
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
MARCZYNSKI Tomasz
POLJANSKI Pawel *
BARTA William


*** (nine names submitted: I have omitted the cheapest, but if the manager wants to omit another and bring Latour in, I'll allow it up to tomorrow's)

Some observations:
Rote Laterne, hot from victory in the Tour game, is the only one to have gone with the big two of Lopez and Roglic.
Many teams have not bothered at all with a big name (or even a small name) sprinter, but Yellow Knight has both Bennett and Gaviria.
Googolplex seems to have his eyes on the initial lead, with hopes, I presume, for Tony Martin as the first red jersey.
Hakkie may have prioritised national pride over realistic chance in the game.
 
Riders

61 seems like a lower than usual number of the field to have represented, but that is probably because a few mid-price riders were very popular.

How many teams selected each rider

30 teams: CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban, LATOUR Pierre
26: ARU Fabio
20: LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
12:GEOGHEGAN HART Tao, NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel
9: ROGLIC Primoz
8: BAUHAUS Phil, MEINTJES Louis, PADUN Mark
7: BARTA William, BENNETT Sam, MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe, SOLER GIMENEZ Marc

The bolded riders make up the Collective Wisdom team. Roglic would have put it way over budget, and taking two of the men on 8 teams would be very much under budget, so I have lifted Bennett from the group below to make a very plausible spend of 3486.

6: GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando, HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres
5: QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander, RODRIGUEZ GARAICOECHEA Oscar
4: ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin, GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Werkilul, MAJKA Rafal
3: BICO Nuno Miguel Alves Matos, KRUIJSWIJK Steven, O'CONNOR Ben, PARDILLA BELLON Sergio, URAN URAN Rigoberto
2: BOASSON HAGEN Edvald, DE LA PARTE GONZALEZ Victor, FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar, GESINK Robert, HOFSTEDE Lennard, KELDERMAN Wilco, KNOX James, MARCZYNSKI Tomasz, MEZGEC Luka, POELS Wout, POGACAR Tadej, SAMITIER SAMITIER Sergio, VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro


Riders on just one team are noted above.
 
Team popularity
1 Comodoro 139
2 Salvarani 138
3 Leadbelly 137
4 AmisVelo 134
5 Tobydawq 133
6 Armchair_Cyclist 132
6 Vladimir 132
8 Kazistuta 130
9 TotalPackage 129
10 PremierAndrew 127
10 Triley36 127
12 DJSprtsch 125
13 Del1962 124
13 Mellow_Velo 124
15 Googolplex 123
15 Northerner 123
17 Bminchow 120
18 BikeRacer33 115
18 Ripley 115
20 Laarsland 113
21 Search 110
22 Carlo_Algatrensig 108
23 Fauniera 102
23 Jakob747 102
25 LosBrolin 100
26 BicycleBoy 98
27 Shalgo 95
28 Koronin 93
29 Rote_Laterne 85
29 Yellow_Knight 85
31 BluesInTheBottle 84
32 ArchieBoy 79
32 Josedin 79
34 Scrool07 77
35 JustSomeGuy 72
36 Hakkie 13
Collective_Wisdom 145

Hakkie's Dutchmen are not very popular on any other team: 4 unique picks there. Koronin has 3 and Scrool 2.

Very unusual for me to be so high in the popularity rankings: my team was lodged with Search early in the week though, lest anyone be suspicious.


Major picks
Riders costing 500 points or more:
(Bennett in all cases refers to Sam)

Valverde: Koronin, Search

Roglic and Lopez: Rote Laterne
Roglic and Bennett: Bicycle Boy
Roglic and Majka: Los Brolin
Roglic and Higuita: Shalgo
Roglic and Kelderman: Del1962
Roglic: Amis Velo, BikeRacer33, Bminchow, Googolplex


Kruijswijk, Poels and Jakobsen: Hakkie
Kruijswijk, Bennett and Kelderman: Just Some Guy

Lopez, Kruijswijk and Gaviria: Scrool07
Lopez and Uran: Tobydawq, Triley36
Lopez and Quintana: Northerner, Salvarani, Vladimir
Lopez, Pogacar and Gaviria: Blues in the Bottle
Lopez, Bennett and Gaviria: Yellow Knight
Lopez and Bennett: Armchair Cyclist, Kazistuta, Premier Andrew
Lopez, Grossschartner and Gaviria: Mellow Velo
Lopez and Majka: Leadbelly, Laarsland
Lopez and Higuita: Archieboy, Comodoro, Fauniera, Jakob747,
Lopez and Gaviria: Total Package


Quintana and Uran: Ripley
Quintana and Bennett: DJSprtsch

Pogacar and Higuita: Josedin

Poels, Majka and Gaviria: Carlo Algatrensig
 
Stage 1 Team Time Trial


CQ haven't posted completely yet, but I believe their formula is 1/4 of the points, rounded down.
Astana 17 points for each man who finished in the group.
DQT 10
Sunweb 6
Ed First 3
Bora 2
CCC 1
Movistar 1

Green points

1 ArchieBoy 33 (One Astana, one DQT and 2 Ed Firsts)
2 Comodoro 23 (One Astana, one DQT and 2 Ed Firsts)
2 Laarsland 23 (One Astana, one Ed Firsts, one Bora and a Movistar)
4 Fauniera 21
5 Armchair_Cyclist, Jakob747, Leadbelly, Triley36, Tobydawq, TotalPackage, Yellow_Knight 20
12 Kazistuta, Mellow_Velo, PremierAndrew, Salvarani, Vladimir 19
17 BluesInTheBottle, Northerner, Rote_Laterne 18
20 Scrool07 17
21 Josedin 16
22 BikeRacer33 11
23 Hakkie 10
24 JustSomeGuy 9
25 Del1962 7
26 BicycleBoy, DJSprtsch 6
28 Ripley, Shalgo 4
30 AmisVelo 3
31 Carlo_Algatrensig, LosBrolin, Search 2
34 Googolplex, Koronin 1
36 Bminchow 0
Collective_Wisdom 19

Standings
The GC rankings at the moment are fairly irrelevant (although Lopez topping them might be noteworthy), but that's what gets added in at this stage to make the very early standings, along with the 18 points Lopez has for being Red Jersey wearer.
No sprint or climbing points included yet, they will begin to appear tomorrow.

1 ArchieBoy 853
2 Laarsland 744
3 Comodoro 741
4 Armchair_Cyclist 714
5 Fauniera 711
6 Yellow_Knight 710
7 Triley36 697
7 Tobydawq 697
9 Leadbelly 696
10 Jakob747 693
11 TotalPackage 691
12 Kazistuta 686
12 PremierAndrew 686
14 Salvarani 680
15 Mellow_Velo 676
16 Vladimir 674
17 Rote_Laterne 664
18 BluesInTheBottle 661
19 Northerner 656
20 Scrool07 640
21 Josedin 348
22 Hakkie 280
23 JustSomeGuy 274
24 BikeRacer33 266
25 BicycleBoy 236
26 Del1962 228
27 DJSprtsch 227
28 Shalgo 197
29 Ripley 190
30 AmisVelo 171
31 Search 167
32 Carlo_Algatrensig 158
32 LosBrolin 158
34 Koronin 143
35 Googolplex 141
36 Bminchow 123
Collective_Wisdom 686

It'll be some time before this tells us much: all it does so far is to show which 20 managers are getting 535 points (and probably a few days' worth of 18 point bonuses to come) from MA Lopez.
 
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That's interesting. I'm higher than typical on the popularity chart with only 3 unique picks. Be interesting to see what happens. It's la Vuelta, Valverde is as good of a pick as a sprinter as any actual sprinter is. :)

Thanks for the updates. Always interesting to see everyone's teams.
 
That's interesting. I'm higher than typical on the popularity chart with only 3 unique picks. Be interesting to see what happens. It's la Vuelta, Valverde is as good of a pick as a sprinter as any actual sprinter is. :)

Thanks for the updates. Always interesting to see everyone's teams.
This is my fifth CQ game. I have never had a unique pick.
 
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And just shoot me. Right where I belong in last place. And no sprinters. Serves me right for twice changing my line up. I'm all in on Padun and O'Connor for the stage wins now. or maybe Roglic will be so pissed he wins the rest of the stages.
 

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