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Thanks!
I said it might be a record for average age: I didn't cast aspersions on the wisdom of the selection. Though Jungels is much younger than I thought he was.Woo! I got a top ten on my first tour.
Thanks so much for doing this @Armchair cyclist even though you thought my team of old men was ridiculous
John Degenkolb (33) is younger than I thought he was. I should have picked someone older as he scored no points.
Rather later than I had intended, but let's see what the data tells us:
Green points
Riders scoring the equivalent to 2nd on a stage or higher:
As far as I can find, the best possible team targetted specifically at this classification would have been:
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
GROENEWEGEN Dylan
THOMAS Geraint
PIDCOCK Thomas
LAMPAERT Yves
HOULE Hugo
JUNGELS Bob
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
for 1049 green points
Top riders on top teams:
Pogacar did single handedly put a team into the top ten: had anyone selected van Aert that alone would have got them 8th in this table, without any other scorer.
Yellow points
Riders getting more than 100 points
Percentage return
Impeccable picks:
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
THOMAS Geraint
MEINTJES Louis
JUNGELS Bob
SCHULTZ Nicholas
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
MÜHLBERGER Gregor
FROOME Chris
JANSEN Amund Grøndahl
Best possible team (I think):
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
THOMAS Geraint
MEINTJES Louis
JUNGELS Bob
PIDCOCK Thomas
HOULE Hugo
PINOT Thibaut
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
costing 3979, scoring 2797, but only 57 in the popularity table.
Green points
Riders scoring the equivalent to 2nd on a stage or higher:
| VAN AERT Wout | 480 | 0 |
| POGACAR Tadej | 450 | 1 (Yellow Knight) |
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 343 | 6 |
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 313 | 1 (Jumbo Visma Fan) |
| MATTHEWS Michael | 182 | 0 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 160 | 0 |
| GROENEWEGEN Dylan | 148 | 5 |
| LAPORTE Christophe | 125 | 1 (Chris DK) |
| THOMAS Geraint | 125 | 26 |
| HOULE Hugo | 115 | 0 |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | 106 | 2 (18 Valve & DJSprtsch) |
| JAKOBSEN Fabio | 97 | 1 (Josedin) |
| CORT NIELSEN Magnus | 95 | 2 (DJSprtsch & Search) |
| SAGAN Peter | 90 | 15 |
| JUNGELS Bob | 82 | 7 |
| GAUDU David | 80 | 6 |
| LAMPAERT Yves | 80 | 1 (Bicycle Boy) |
| CLARKE Simon | 80 | 0 |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 67 | 3 |
| BETTIOL Alberto | 65 | 4 |
| JORGENSON Matteo | 65 | 3 |
| PINOT Thibaut | 61 | 11 |
| KRISTOFF Alexander | 60 | 0 |
| WRIGHT Fred | 57 | 1 (Blues in the Bottle) |
| MEINTJES Louis | 53 | 3 |
| VAN POPPEL Danny | 51 | 0 |
| CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan | 50 | 2 |
| GANNA Filippo | 50 | 2 |
| SCHULTZ Nicholas | 50 | 0 |
| MADOUAS Valentin | 50 | 1 (Redhead Dane) |
| POWLESS Neilson | 50 | 0 |
| VAN DER HOORN Taco | 50 | 0 |
As far as I can find, the best possible team targetted specifically at this classification would have been:
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
GROENEWEGEN Dylan
THOMAS Geraint
PIDCOCK Thomas
LAMPAERT Yves
HOULE Hugo
JUNGELS Bob
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
for 1049 green points
Top riders on top teams:
1 | 18Valve | 818 | Vingegaard/Groenewegen/Thomas/Pidcock/Sagan |
2 | Northerner | 678 | Vingegaard/Thomas/Sagan/Jorgenson |
3 | BluesInTheBottle | 646 | Vingegaard/Groenewegen/Jungels/Wright |
4 | LosBrolin | 616 | Vingegaard/Thomas/Sagan/Castroviejo |
5 | Lecko | 549 | Vingegaard/Thomas/Bettiol |
6 | DJSprtsch | 513 | Thomas/Pidcock/Cort/Jungels/Castroviejo |
7 | Carrick_on_Seine | 512 | Groenewegen/Thomas/Sagan/Jungels |
8 | DJW | 478 | Vingegaard/Thomas |
9 | Yellow_Knight | 450 | Pogacar |
10 | Kazistuta | 422 | Thomas/Sagan/Quintana/Bettiol/Pinot |
Yellow points
Riders getting more than 100 points
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 1208 | 6 |
| POGACAR Tadej | 1060 | 1 |
| VAN AERT Wout | 720 | 0 |
| THOMAS Geraint | 506 | 26 |
| GAUDU David | 400 | 6 |
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 383 | 1 |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 327 | 3 |
| VLASOV Aleksandr | 315 | 7 |
| BARDET Romain | 279 | 8 |
| MEINTJES Louis | 258 | 3 |
| JUNGELS Bob | 212 | 7 |
| LUTSENKO Alexey | 208 | 1 (Search) |
| MATTHEWS Michael | 205 | 0 |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | 194 | 2 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 190 | 0 |
| MADOUAS Valentin | 190 | 1 |
| HOULE Hugo | 176 | 0 |
| YATES Adam | 175 | 2 |
| POWLESS Neilson | 173 | 0 |
| PINOT Thibaut | 171 | 11 |
| LAPORTE Christophe | 170 | 1 |
| GROENEWEGEN Dylan | 169 | 5 |
| SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon | 145 | 0 |
| LAMPAERT Yves | 140 | 1 |
| JAKOBSEN Fabio | 132 | 1 |
| JORGENSON Matteo | 132 | 3 |
| SCHULTZ Nicholas | 113 | 0 |
| SAGAN Peter | 112 | 15 |
| KONRAD Patrick | 109 | 0 |
| MCNULTY Brandon | 107 | 0 |
Percentage return
| JANSEN Amund Grøndahl | 200.0 | 8 |
| KRIEGER Alexander | 125.0 | 2 |
| MÜHLBERGER Gregor | 115.9 | 4 |
| THOMAS Geraint | 110.0 | 26 |
| JUNGELS Bob | 103.9 | 7 |
| TORRES BARCELO Albert | 95.2 | 1 |
| FROOME Chris | 89.7 | 3 |
| CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan | 77.4 | 2 |
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 75.4 | 6 |
| VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume | 74.1 | 1 |
| DUCHESNE Antoine | 71.4 | 2 |
| SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon | 69.7 | 0 |
| BAUER Jack | 69.0 | 1 |
| HOULE Hugo | 68.8 | 0 |
| LECROQ Jérémy | 68.6 | 0 |
| SCHULTZ Nicholas | 66.9 | 0 |
| LEMOINE Cyril | 66.7 | 0 |
| GRADEK Kamil | 60.6 | 1 |
| MEINTJES Louis | 57.8 | 3 |
| JORGENSON Matteo | 55.2 | 3 |
| LAMPAERT Yves | 50.0 | 1 |
| GRUZDEV Dmitriy | 50.0 | 0 |
| NIV Guy | 50.0 | 0 |
| ROWE Luke | 50.0 | 0 |
Impeccable picks:
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
THOMAS Geraint
MEINTJES Louis
JUNGELS Bob
SCHULTZ Nicholas
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
MÜHLBERGER Gregor
FROOME Chris
JANSEN Amund Grøndahl
Best possible team (I think):
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
THOMAS Geraint
MEINTJES Louis
JUNGELS Bob
PIDCOCK Thomas
HOULE Hugo
PINOT Thibaut
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
costing 3979, scoring 2797, but only 57 in the popularity table.
First, the data I hadn't given at the end of the Tour, which I had decided a while ago I would put up today as a prompt for your Vuelta game entries.
Inter-Forum challenge
CN 1182
VR 1027
A resounding, if rare, victory for the team in purple.
4 seasons title
Points from the two GTs so far and the Spring Classics game, with the Vuelta to decide the honours. Leader BitB already has his team in for the Vuelta, but we shouldn't let him have a free run at it.
El Tramodolito update
But then we had yesterday's news about Quintana. I always regard whatever is the state of play at the end of the event according to CQ as the official record for the purposes of these games (to my own cost, blooming Roson). I don't apply the same reasoning outside of the games, it is just a matter of being able to put a game into history and move on.
So the changes noted below will not be in the the archived results or affect the 4 seasons challenge, but for interest only.
Quintana, who was on three teams, loses all 327 points. Those who benefited most are:
and in terms of the teams' results:
Leadbelly, with Bardet, Yates, Pinot and Thomas, would have seen the biggest boost to his score. The highest placed of the Quintana teams had been in 12th, so the major positions would not affected: DJSprtsch is the only manager in the top ten to gain a place when this is taken into account.
Inter-Forum challenge
CN 1182
VR 1027
A resounding, if rare, victory for the team in purple.
4 seasons title
Points from the two GTs so far and the Spring Classics game, with the Vuelta to decide the honours. Leader BitB already has his team in for the Vuelta, but we shouldn't let him have a free run at it.
| Pos | pre TdF | Total | change | |
1 | 6 | BluesInTheBottle | 4330 | 5 |
2 | 5 | Comodoro | 4131 | 3 |
3 | 3 | Leadbelly | 3944 | 0 |
4 | 9 | Kazistuta | 3756 | 5 |
5 | 1 | Josedin | 3747 | -4 |
6 | 2 | Search | 3692 | -4 |
7 | 11 | EvansIsTheBest | 3628 | 4 |
8 | 4 | AmisVelo | 3596 | -4 |
9 | 15 | Armchair_Cyclist | 3508 | 6 |
10 | 12 | Vladimir | 3502 | 2 |
11 | 7 | Rufs | 3455 | -4 |
12 | 16 | Del1962 | 3250 | 4 |
13 | 10 | Laarsland | 3158 | -3 |
14 | 13 | Triley36 | 3045 | -1 |
15 | 18 | Bminchow | 2974 | 3 |
16 | 14 | Otoxiep87 | 2825 | -2 |
17 | 23 | DJSprtsch | 2753 | 6 |
18 | 8 | Rote_Laterne | 2727 | -10 |
19 | 17 | Salvarani | 2683 | -2 |
20 | 22 | Scrooll07 | 2649 | 2 |
21 | 20 | BicycleBoy | 2616 | -1 |
22 | 21 | Mellow_Velo | 2512 | -1 |
23 | 19 | JumboVismaFan | 2243 | -4 |
24 | 24 | RedheadDane | 1131 | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 4087 |
El Tramodolito update
But then we had yesterday's news about Quintana. I always regard whatever is the state of play at the end of the event according to CQ as the official record for the purposes of these games (to my own cost, blooming Roson). I don't apply the same reasoning outside of the games, it is just a matter of being able to put a game into history and move on.
So the changes noted below will not be in the the archived results or affect the 4 seasons challenge, but for interest only.
Quintana, who was on three teams, loses all 327 points. Those who benefited most are:
| BARDET Romain | 46 | 8 |
| MEINTJES Louis | 30 | 3 |
| YATES Adam | 25 | 2 |
| LUTSENKO Alexey | 22 | 1 |
| MADOUAS Valentin | 20 | 1 |
| THOMAS Geraint | 10 | 26 |
| GAUDU David | 10 | 6 |
| JUNGELS Bob | 10 | 7 |
| POWLESS Neilson | 10 | 0 |
| PINOT Thibaut | 10 | 11 |
| SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon | 10 | 0 |
| TEUNS Dylan | 10 | 0 |
and in terms of the teams' results:
| Pos | Name | NQ effect | Score without NQ | Diff in rank |
1 | Northerner | 66 | 2369 | 0 |
2 | 18Valve | 21 | 2256 | 0 |
3 | LosBrolin | 20 | 2015 | 0 |
4 | Lecko | 16 | 1881 | 0 |
5 | DJW | 17 | 1832 | 0 |
6 | BluesInTheBottle | 16 | 1758 | 0 |
7 | Comodoro | 69 | 1547 | 0 |
8 | DJSprtsch | 74 | 1507 | 1 |
9 | Bonimenier | 61 | 1503 | -1 |
10 | Carrick_on_Seine | 70 | 1435 | 0 |
11 | Titan31 | 67 | 1427 | 0 |
12 | Evans_is_the_Best | 37 | 1285 | 1 |
13 | Leadbelly | 91 | 1278 | 2 |
14 | Armchair_Cyclist | 20 | 1267 | 0 |
15 | Del1962 | 55 | 1224 | 2 |
16 | Yellow_Knight | 7 | 1180 | 0 |
17 | PostmanHat | 58 | 1126 | 2 |
18 | Bminchow | 16 | 1041 | 3 |
19 | Rufs | 48 | 1004 | 3 |
20 | Kazistuta | -302 | 992 | -8 |
21 | Search | 35 | 958 | 4 |
22 | AmisVelo | 21 | 956 | 1 |
23 | ArchieBoy | 12 | 947 | 0 |
24 | Mellow_Velo | 58 | 945 | 4 |
25 | BicycleBoy | 12 | 926 | 1 |
26 | Josedin | 16 | 916 | 1 |
27 | ZigZagWanderer | 52 | 848 | 2 |
28 | Vladimir | -316 | 808 | -10 |
29 | Laarsland | 16 | 773 | 1 |
30 | SamuCuenca | 21 | 766 | 1 |
31 | Triley36 | 12 | 752 | 1 |
32 | ChrisDK | 17 | 741 | 1 |
33 | Scrooll07 | -317 | 709 | -13 |
34 | Salvarani | 22 | 704 | 0 |
35 | Otoxiep87 | 2 | 531 | 0 |
36 | JumboVismaFan | 0 | 488 | 0 |
37 | RedheadDane | 26 | 405 | 0 |
38 | Rote_Laterne | 3 | 234 | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 66 | 1190 |
Leadbelly, with Bardet, Yates, Pinot and Thomas, would have seen the biggest boost to his score. The highest placed of the Quintana teams had been in 12th, so the major positions would not affected: DJSprtsch is the only manager in the top ten to gain a place when this is taken into account.
Thanks for running the game. Absolutely thrilled that I managed to end up in the top ten!
About time I had a look at the Vuelta.
About time I had a look at the Vuelta.
I'll have to quote your words of wisdom to promote the next game (Vuelta in late August)
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