2025 Vuelta CQ game

Devil's Elbow · Sep 5, 2025

And now the CQ points allocation for stage 11 has been changed again, taking out all the stage points but reassigning Vingegaard his red jersey points. They have gone through four different options now, really don't understand what they're doing.

Armchair Cyclist · Sep 5, 2025

Devil's Elbow said:
And now the CQ points allocation for stage 11 has been changed again, taking out all the stage points but reassigning Vingegaard his red jersey points. They have gone through four different options now, really don't understand what they're doing.

I think that that is probably what I would have done: there was no official result in terms of placings, but there was a race leader. I'll wait, as I said, until Monday and add them in then if CQ has stabilised its position.

Devil's Elbow · Sep 5, 2025

Armchair Cyclist said:
I think that that is probably what I would have done: there was no official result in terms of placings, but there was a race leader. I'll wait, as I said, until Monday and add them in then if CQ has stabilised its position.

It is what I would have done had there been no precedent, but it makes no sense to do it like this when Bernal still has 80 points in 2019 for his stage 'win' on Iséran.

Netserk · Sep 5, 2025

Devil's Elbow said:
It is what I would have done had there been no precedent, but it makes no sense to do it like this when Bernal still has 80 points in 2019 for his stage 'win' on Iséran.

While the decision of the jury was the same (or equivalent) both times, Tissot has registered the two stages differently. The published result sheet has a stage order in 2019, and the one two days ago has all riders in the same position on the stage. But there's nothing from the jury to say that one is different from the other.

Armchair Cyclist · Sep 5, 2025

Netserk said:
While the decision of the jury was the same (or equivalent) both times, Tissot has registered the two stages differently. The published result sheet has a stage order in 2019, and the one two days ago has all riders in the same position on the stage. But there's nothing from the jury to say that one is different from the other.

I agree it is inconsistent.
We don't know how much feedback he/they (I sort of assume CQ is a one guy in his back room operation) got for allocating stage points in 2019 when there was no official stage result (for green jersey/UCI pts), so him changing his approach wouldn't surprise me.
Or maybe Tissot determines his choices, as his will determine mine. We'll see.

Strange presentation at the moment though: no stage winner is interpreted as "put the guy who crossed the line 1st as having come second", with the result that Archie Ryan is recorded as coming 165th in a race with 164 starters.

RedheadDane · Sep 5, 2025

I have a full team for - almost - 13 stages...
And then I lose two guys in the span of minutes.

Armchair Cyclist · Saturday at 12:25 PM

Stage 13
Angliru (please don't be an angry Lou over the delay in posting this) (God, now I feel as though I have lowered myself to Adam Blythian levels of pun)

Green points

This is probably the most picks we have had in a stage top ten for quite a while

ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	70	2
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	40	25
HINDLEY Jai	25	13
KUSS Sepp	15	8
GALL Felix	10	2
PELLIZZARI Giulio	7	12
PIDCOCK Thomas	5	0
RICCITELLO Matthew	3	10
CICCONE Giulio	2	1
BALDERSTONE ROUMENS Abel	1	0

That Almeida/Vingegaard combination was bound to come off eventually for TRiley. Maglia Nera has a rare four scorers with 3 of the top 4 (Vingegaard, Hindley, Kuss, Riccitello): I also had 3 of the four but without a 4th man. Peixotini is the other Almeida owner..

1	Triley36	110
2	MagliaNera	83
3	Armchair_Cyclist	80
3	Peixotini	80
5	Hayneplane	68
5	Hfgon1	68
5	Madrazo	68
8	Bminchow	65
8	Del1962	65
8	DevilsElbow	65
8	LosBrolin	65
8	Rufs	65
8	Shakes	65
14	DJW	62
14	JumboVismaFan	62
14	YellowKnight	62
17	Onizuka999	57
18	EvansIsTheBest	55
19	AmisVelo	50
19	BluesInTheBottle	50
19	Ingsve	50
19	Kazistuta	50
19	Leadbelly	50
24	NBFC1962	47
24	Vladimir	47
26	BicycleBoy	40
26	DJSprtsch	40
26	QueenStagiaire	40
29	Nevs	7
30	Search	5
31	even on this stage, 3 teams manage 0	0
	Collective_Wisdom	75
	Default	0

Standings

Some big jumps in placement, but none at the top. Evans slightly extends his lead, but it is still less than the points for a second place.

1	EvansIsTheBest	426	(-)
2	DJSprtsch	391	(-)
3	QueenStagiaire	367	(-)
4	Triley36	366	(+2)
5	Del1962	342	(-)
6	LosBrolin	305	(+3)
7	Kazistuta	299	(-)
8	MagliaNera	294	(+10)
9	Armchair_Cyclist	291	(+9)
10	BicycleBoy	289	(-3)

Red points

Two of the popular picks scoring big points today (Vingegaard is now 2nd in both minor jersey standings), but the salad days look to be over for those that picked Traeen

HINDLEY Jai	125	13
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	106	25
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	92	2
PELLIZZARI Giulio	87	12
RICCITELLO Matthew	73	10
KUSS Sepp	54	8
VERMAERKE Kevin	18	1
CICCONE Giulio	17	1

BARCELO ARAGON Fernando	-15	2
CHUMIL GONZALEZ Sergio Geovani	-15	2
RYAN Archie	-15	2
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	-16	4
CASTRILLO ZAPATER Pablo	-22	2
ROMO OLIVER Javier	-26	2
TRAEEN Torstein	-115	3

This will make the points total look a lot better for most of us, even if not our place on the table. Collective Wisdom is top scorer on the day, so maybe we can all* claim a victory.

1	MagliaNera	371
2	AmisVelo	358
3	Hfgon1	314
4	Madrazo	313
5	Hayneplane	297
6	Armchair_Cyclist	294
7	BluesInTheBottle	272
8	Ingsve	266
9	DJW	257
10	Peixotini	252
11	YellowKnight	247
12	Shakes	244
13	JumboVismaFan	237
14	DevilsElbow	236
15	Rufs	235
16	Bminchow	232
17	LosBrolin	230
18	Vladimir	227
19	Del1962	215
20	Leadbelly	208
21	NBFC1962	199
22	Triley36	195
23	Onizuka999	178
24	Kazistuta	151
25	EvansIsTheBest	144
26	Search	115
27	BicycleBoy	102
28	DJSprtsch	97
29	Nevs	49
30	QueenStagiaire	-15
31	SamuCuenca	-17
32	RedheadDane	-61
33	Laarsland	-143
	Collective_Wisdom	391
	Default	-27

*: apart from the two teams that have none of those more popular riders

Standings
Kazistuta stood up to the decline of Traeen's days of glory better than other teams that picked him, but not well enough to hold the lead, as the rookie regains top spot.

1	MagliaNera	1800
2	Kazistuta	1741
3	Hfgon1	1623
4	Ingsve	1619
5	Madrazo	1597
6	Hayneplane	1566
7	Armchair_Cyclist	1561
8	Onizuka999	1532
9	Del1962	1528
10	Triley36	1528
11	YellowKnight	1519
12	JumboVismaFan	1479
13	LosBrolin	1467
14	QueenStagiaire	1459
15	Shakes	1425
16	DevilsElbow	1414
17	BluesInTheBottle	1404
18	NBFC1962	1397
19	Bminchow	1389
20	Vladimir	1378
21	DJW	1369
22	EvansIsTheBest	1351
23	BicycleBoy	1331
24	Rufs	1322
25	DJSprtsch	1226
26	AmisVelo	1105
27	Peixotini	984
28	Leadbelly	974
29	Laarsland	797
30	Search	653
31	Nevs	547
32	RedheadDane	360
33	SamuCuenca	183
	Collective_Wisdom	1790
	Default	321

New ideas vs consensus and compromise (Maglia Nera vs Collective Wisdom) looks to be the battle to watch.

Armchair Cyclist · Saturday at 7:56 PM

Stage 14
Same team, different rider

Green points

Slightly more top ten picks than yesterday's stage, which I said was probably the most for some time.

SOLER Marc	70	3
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	40	25
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	25	2
HINDLEY Jai	15	13
GALL Felix	10	2
PELLIZZARI Giulio	7	12
RICCITELLO Matthew	5	10
PIDCOCK Thomas	3	0
KUSS Sepp	2	8
PICKERING Finlay	1	1

Bicycle Boy manages a 1-2, but Devil's Elbow nudges him off the top with a 1-2-4

1	DevilsElbow	125
2	BicycleBoy	110
3	RedheadDane	70
4	Triley36	65
5	MagliaNera	62
6	Madrazo	61
7	Hayneplane	60
7	Hfgon1	60
9	Armchair_Cyclist	57
9	Onizuka999	57
11	Bminchow	55
11	Del1962	55
11	LosBrolin	55
11	Rufs	55
11	Shakes	55
16	BluesInTheBottle	52
16	Ingsve	52
16	Kazistuta	52
19	DJW	49
19	JumboVismaFan	49
19	YellowKnight	49
22	NBFC1962	47
22	Vladimir	47
24	EvansIsTheBest	42
25	DJSprtsch	40
25	QueenStagiaire	40
27	Peixotini	37
28	AmisVelo	29
29	Leadbelly	27
30	Nevs	7
31	Search	5
32=	Oh dear, you know who you are	0
	Collective_Wisdom	67
	Default	0

Standings

Tiebreaker applied twice in the top five, but Evans remains clear

1	EvansIsTheBest	468	(-)
2	Triley36	431	(+2)
3	DJSprtsch	431	(-1)
4	QueenStagiaire	407	(-1)
5	DevilsElbow	407	(+7)
6	BicycleBoy	399	(+4)
7	Del1962	397	(-2)
8	LosBrolin	360	(-2)
9	MagliaNera	356	(-1)
10	Kazistuta	351	(-3)

Red points

For the most part, gains on the stage points will cover up losses on the GC front

SOLER Marc	89	3
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	58	25
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	35	2
KUSS Sepp	32	8
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso	24	2
PICKERING Finlay	20	1
HINDLEY Jai	18	13

HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres	-15	5
FORTUNATO Lorenzo	-20	1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	-38	19
CICCONE Giulio	-81	1

The second most popular selection lost 21 minutes and 6 places: Vingegaard sort of applies make-up over the wounds for most of us.

1	DevilsElbow	156
2	BicycleBoy	108
3	Triley36	96
4	Vladimir	85
4	MagliaNera	85
6	DJW	83
7	EvansIsTheBest	82
8	JumboVismaFan	73
9	RedheadDane	69
10	YellowKnight	63
10	Onizuka999	63
12	Armchair_Cyclist	61
13	BluesInTheBottle	60
14	Madrazo	58
15	Rufs	53
15	Peixotini	53
17	Hayneplane	43
18	Bminchow	39
19	Ingsve	36
20	DJSprtsch	35
21	Shakes	33
21	Hfgon1	33
23	Kazistuta	32
24	Del1962	27
25	QueenStagiaire	15
25	LosBrolin	15
27	NBFC1962	2
28	AmisVelo	1
29	Leadbelly	-10
30	Nevs	-20
31	SamuCuenca	-33
32	Search	-75
33	Laarsland	-80
	Collective_Wisdom	54
	Default	-1

Standings

Those gaps between first and second, and second and third, need not be insurmountable, but even if they are, the battle for the third podium spot is ultra tight.

1	MagliaNera	1885	(-)
2	Kazistuta	1773	(-)
3	Hfgon1	1656	(-)
4	Ingsve	1655	(-)
5	Madrazo	1655	(-)
6	Triley36	1624	(+4)
7	Armchair_Cyclist	1622	(-)
8	Hayneplane	1609	(-2)
9	Onizuka999	1595	(-1)
10	YellowKnight	1582	(+1)
11	DevilsElbow	1570	(+5)
12	Del1962	1555	(-3)
13	JumboVismaFan	1552	(-1)
14	LosBrolin	1482	(-1)
15	QueenStagiaire	1474	(-1)
16	BluesInTheBottle	1464	(+1)
17	Vladimir	1463	(+3)
18	Shakes	1458	(-3)
19	DJW	1452	(+2)
20	BicycleBoy	1439	(+3)
21	EvansIsTheBest	1433	(+1)
22	Bminchow	1428	(-3)
23	NBFC1962	1399	(-5)
24	Rufs	1375	(-)
25	DJSprtsch	1261	(-)
26	AmisVelo	1106	(-)
27	Peixotini	1037	(-)
28	Leadbelly	964	(-)
29	Laarsland	717	(-)
30	Search	578	(-)
31	Nevs	527	(-)
32	RedheadDane	429	(-)
33	SamuCuenca	150	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	1844
	Default	320

Tomorrow is likely to be about those fairly random mid budget picks that we all (I assume) end up with on the basis that "they might get in a break". If the red points move much more than the green ones do, it will probably mean that someone has had a catastrophe.

Kazistuta · Sunday at 3:16 PM

I'm sorry, but why did Titan want his team removed???

Netserk · Sunday at 3:17 PM

Kazistuta said:
I'm sorry, but why did Titan want his team removed???

It seems to be for non-game related reasons, but rather to do with his opinion of the host.

Armchair Cyclist · Sunday at 11:19 PM

Stage 15
Revenge of yesterday's dropped riders

Green Points
only two selected riders in the top ten, and not very high in it, but at least one of them was a popular pick

PEDERSEN Mads	70	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	40	0
FRIGO Marco	25	0
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago	15	0
DUNBAR Edward	10	2
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	7	19
VERVAEKE Louis	5	0
VINE Jay	3	0
SHEFFIELD Magnus	2	0
SEGAERT Alec	1	0

Maglia Nera and Shakes both had Dunbar and Bernal ,17 other teams had just Bernal. Scarcely worth a daily table.

Standings
Only one of the top 5 (Queen Stagiaire) got any points today.
In honour of rest day, the whole table:

1	EvansIsTheBest	468	(-)
2	Triley36	431	(-)
3	DJSprtsch	431	(-)
4	QueenStagiaire	414	(-)
5	DevilsElbow	407	(-)
6	BicycleBoy	406	(-)
7	Del1962	404	(-)
8	MagliaNera	373	(+1)
9	LosBrolin	367	(-1)
10	Kazistuta	358	(-)
11	Armchair_Cyclist	355	(-)
12	Shakes	349	(+4)
13	Hayneplane	348	(-)
14	Hfgon1	347	(-)
14	Madrazo	347	(-)
16	Onizuka999	344	(-4)
17	Bminchow	338	(-)
18	JumboVismaFan	335	(-)
19	Ingsve	324	(-)
20	YellowKnight	317	(+1)
21	Rufs	311	(-1)
22	NBFC1962	299	(+1)
23	Vladimir	294	(-1)
24	DJW	292	(-1)
25	BluesInTheBottle	291	(-)
26	Laarsland	285	(-)
27	Nevs	237	(-)
28	RedheadDane	214	(-)
29	Peixotini	189	(-)
30	Leadbelly	143	(-)
31	AmisVelo	126	(-)
32	Search	99	(-)
33	SamuCuenca	5	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	364
	Default	105

Red points

A thirteen minute gap to the main field will generate a bit of GC movement, though not very high in the table.

LECERF William Junior	46	2
CICCONE Giulio	35	1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	29	19
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	18	25
DUNBAR Edward	16	2
VERMAERKE Kevin	6	1

AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	-5	4
SOLER Marc	-7	3
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso	-8	2
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	-10	2
TRAEEN Torstein	-15	3

Both Lecerf teams also have Bernal, so they hold off the Dunbar and Bernal teams.

1	Ingsve	90
2	BicycleBoy	79
3	Shakes	62
4	MagliaNera	58
5	Hayneplane	46
6	Armchair_Cyclist	45
6	JumboVismaFan	45
8	Bminchow	43
8	LosBrolin	43
10	NBFC1962	41
11	YellowKnight	40
12	Hfgon1	39
13	Madrazo	38
14	Del1962	34
15	Kazistuta	32
16	QueenStagiaire	28
17	AmisVelo	23
18	Search	22
19	Leadbelly	18
20	BluesInTheBottle	17
21	DJW	14
21	Onizuka999	14
23	EvansIsTheBest	12
23	Rufs	12
23	Vladimir	12
26	DJSprtsch	6
27	DevilsElbow	5
27	Triley36	5
29	Laarsland	2
30	Nevs	-1
31	SamuCuenca	-9
32	Peixotini	-11
33	RedheadDane	-15
	Collective_Wisdom	43
	Default	35

Standings

That lead stretches out a little further: Igsve puts a bit of daylight between himself ant the other podium chasers.

1	MagliaNera	1943	(-)
2	Kazistuta	1805	(-)
3	Ingsve	1745	(+1)
4	Hfgon1	1695	(-1)
5	Madrazo	1693	(-)
6	Armchair_Cyclist	1667	(+1)
7	Hayneplane	1655	(+1)
8	Triley36	1629	(-2)
9	YellowKnight	1622	(+1)
10	Onizuka999	1609	(-1)
11	JumboVismaFan	1597	(+2)
12	Del1962	1589	(-)
13	DevilsElbow	1575	(-2)
14	LosBrolin	1525	(-)
15	Shakes	1520	(+3)
16	BicycleBoy	1518	(+4)
17	QueenStagiaire	1502	(-2)
18	BluesInTheBottle	1481	(-2)
19	Vladimir	1475	(-2)
20	Bminchow	1471	(+2)
21	DJW	1466	(-2)
22	EvansIsTheBest	1445	(-1)
23	NBFC1962	1440	(-)
24	Rufs	1387	(-)
25	DJSprtsch	1267	(-)
26	AmisVelo	1129	(-)
27	Peixotini	1026	(-)
28	Leadbelly	982	(-)
29	Laarsland	719	(-)
30	Search	600	(-)
31	Nevs	526	(-)
32	RedheadDane	414	(-)
33	SamuCuenca	141	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	1887
	Default	355

Enjoy your rest day.

Armchair Cyclist · Monday at 10:59 PM

Rest Day 2
I managed to spill tea over my laptop this morning (not for the first time), so I'm doing this on the less than ideal combination of the google sheets version of the spreadsheet and my cheap work chromebook. So if I get fed up of either, you might never see these words.

Who is getting us the points?

Green points

	Gn pts	teams	Significance in classification
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	255	25	Every team with him above every team without
PHILIPSEN Jasper	180	0
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	160	4	Evans (1st), DJSprtsch (3rd) and the top two among the non-Ving teams
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	149	2	TRiley (2nd)
VINE Jay	143	0
PEDERSEN Mads	135	0
SOLER Marc	96	3	Devil's Elbow & Bicycle Boy (5th & 6th)
GAUDU David	95	0
VERNON Ethan	95	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	76	0
CICCONE Giulio	75	1	Search has no-other main scorers
TURNER Ben	75	1	Queen Stagiaire (5th)
ROMO OLIVER Javier	66	2	Del1962 (7th)
FRIGO Marco	65	0
PIDCOCK Thomas	62	0
HINDLEY Jai	56	13	Kazistuta (10 th) only one in top 15 without him or one of the above. But only 1 of the top 6
CASTRILLO ZAPATER Pablo	52	2

Red points

I have applied what seems to be CQ's settled position for stage 11: red jersey bonus to Vingegaard, no stage placing points. Doesn't make a lot of difference: all teams in the top 25 are 18 points farther ahead of all teams in the bottom eight. But there was already about 140 points between those groups.

VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	997	25	All who have him are above all without
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	546	2	TRiley is 8th, Peixitini lacks Ving
PIDCOCK Thomas	382	0
HINDLEY Jai	323	13	5 of the top 7, including leader Maglia Nera
GALL Felix	283	2	Gets Onizuka into 10th
VINE Jay	256	0
TRAEEN Torstein	247	3	Kazistuta (2nd)
PELLIZZARI Giulio	232	12	Kazistuta and Ingsve (2nd & 3rd). Bicycle Boy (16th) is highest without him or any other named above (except Ving)
PHILIPSEN Jasper	223	0
PEDERSEN Mads	220	0
CICCONE Giulio	204	1
RICCITELLO Matthew	198	10
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan	185	4
KUSS Sepp	182	8
SOLER Marc	169	3
LECERF William Junior	152	2
JORGENSON Matteo	135	0
GAUDU David	128	0
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso	127	2
VERNON Ethan	125	0
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	123	19
FRIGO Marco	115	0
ARMIRAIL Bruno	106	0

Maglia Nera's leading team:

VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	997
HINDLEY Jai	323
RICCITELLO Matthew	198
KUSS Sepp	182
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	123
MEINTJES Louis	74
DUNBAR Edward	64
CARR Simon	0

That's what you need to catch up to.

DNFs
There are 12 selected riders among the 27 who have withdrawn.

	points won	teams	cost
CASTRILLO ZAPATER Pablo	52	2	524
BARCELO ARAGON Fernando	0	2	420
ZINGLE Axel	0	3	364
RYAN Archie	17	2	347
PARET PEINTRE Valentin	0	3	346
HARPER Chris	0	1	319
GARCIA PIERNA Raul	35	1	297
HIGUITA GARCIA Sergio Andres	0	5	237
VAN UDEN Casper	0	6	202
VERGALLITO Luca	0	3	123
BOUWMAN Koen	0	2	41
CARR Simon	0	12	15

Deducting the stage points that they won (which are not dependent on finishing the race) so that eg Castrillo has a net cost of 472, the damage to each team is:

	DNFs	Net cost	position in game
RedheadDane	2	892	32
Nevs	3	832	31
Bminchow	2	665	20
SamuCuenca	2	657	33
Peixotini	3	581	27
Rufs	2	566	24
Hayneplane	2	548	7
DJW	2	379	21
Shakes	2	360	15
YellowKnight	1	346	9
JumboVismaFan	1	330	11
QueenStagiaire	1	330	17
EvansIsTheBest	1	262	22
DevilsElbow	2	243	13
Leadbelly	1	237	28
NBFC1962	1	237	23
Kazistuta	2	217	2
Search	2	217	30
BluesInTheBottle	1	123	18
DJSprtsch	2	56	25
Del1962	1	15	12
Hfgon1	1	15	4
LosBrolin	1	15	14
Madrazo	1	15	5
MagliaNera	1	15	1
Triley36	1	15	8
Vladimir	1	15	19
Amis Velo	0	0	26
Armchair_Cyclist	0	0	6
BicycleBoy	0	0	16
Ingsve	0	0	3
Laarsland	0	0	29
Onizuka999	0	0	10
Collective_Wisdom	1	15
Default	2	884

So, any ambitions left for your team in the final week?

Devil's Elbow · Monday at 11:23 PM

Armchair Cyclist said:
I managed to spill tea over my laptop this morning (not for the first time)

I do sometimes wonder whether spilling tea over things that aren't waterproof has a measurable effect on the British economy. Would be a great research topic if you were trying to win the Ig Nobel Prize.

Armchair Cyclist · Wednesday at 12:41 AM

Stage 16

Foreshortened again, but this time with a full result at least

Green points

Front two riders very popular characters and popular in the game too

BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	70	19
LANDA MEANA Mikel	40	12
ROLLAND Brieuc	25	3
DENZ Nico	15	0
BRAZ AFONSO Clément	10	0
JUNGELS Bob	7	0
VERMAERKE Kevin	5	1
PICKERING Finlay	3	1
QUINN Sean	2	3
MOLARD Rudy	1	0

Five teams would (game wise at least) have been equally happy whichever of the front pair won; two of those that picked Braz Afonso also had Bernal. SamuCuenca, meanwhile, multiplies his score by nine.

1=	AmisVelo, Del1962, Hfgon1, Leadbelly, NBFC1962	110
6=	Laarsland, LosBrolin	95
8	Madrazo	73
9=	Armchair_Cyclist, BicycleBoy, Bminchow, Hayneplane, Ingsve, JumboVismaFan, Kazistuta, MagliaNera, QueenStagiaire, Shakes, YellowKnight	70
20	Vladimir	45
21	DJSprtsch	42
22=	DJW, RedheadDane, Rufs, SamuCuenca, Search	40
27	Onizuka999	25
28=	BluesInTheBottle, Triley36	2
30=	DevilsElbow, EvansIsTheBest, Nevs, Peixotini	0
	Collective_Wisdom	70
	Default	0

Standings

Evans had been top here for a while, but was one of the few teams not to score: TRiley, who had been 2nd, fared only 2 points better. Del was the only one in the mornings top ten to have the Bernal/Landa pairing, and takes full advantage of it.

1	Del1962	514	(+6)
2	QueenStagiaire	484	(+2)
3	BicycleBoy	476	(+3)
4	DJSprtsch	473	(-1)
5	EvansIsTheBest	468	(-4)
6	LosBrolin	462	(+3)
7	Hfgon1	457	(+7)
8	MagliaNera	443	(-)
9	Triley36	433	(-7)
10	Kazistuta	428	(-)

Red points (corrected on the following morning)

There were GC changes, and maybe some relief or frustration for the riders that no final climb prevented them from being bigger.

BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	91	19
LANDA MEANA Mikel	51	12
ROLLAND Brieuc	39	3
PELLIZZARI Giulio	25	12
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	18	25
TRAEEN Torstein	15	3
PICKERING Finlay	11	1

LECERF William Junior	-15	2
CICCONE Giulio	-20	1
ROMO OLIVER Javier	-21	2
CAMPENAERTS Victor	-23	1
GALL Felix	-25	2

One of those rare occasions when everyone gets a positive score. I appreciate that that might not be enough to make everyone fool positive about the way the day went.

1	NBFC1962	187
2	AmisVelo	171
3	Hfgon1	164
4	LosBrolin	152
5	Kazistuta	149
6	Del1962	146
7	YellowKnight	139
7	Laarsland	139
9	JumboVismaFan	136
10	QueenStagiaire	134
11	Madrazo	129
12	Leadbelly	126
13	Ingsve	124
14	Armchair_Cyclist	113
14	Bminchow	113
16	MagliaNera	110
16	Shakes	110
18	Hayneplane	108
19	DJW	94
20	Vladimir	93
21	BicycleBoy	79
22	Rufs	73
22	DJSprtsch	73
24	Onizuka999	57
25	SamuCuenca	55
26	BluesInTheBottle	50
27	RedheadDane	35
28	Search	28
29	Triley36	25
29	DevilsElbow	25
31	Peixotini	23
32	Nevs	19
33	EvansIsTheBest	18
	Collective_Wisdom	138
	Default	-12

Standings

The leader's margin drops inside 100 points, but is still fairly daunting; Hfgon closes in on the podium; Del replaces TRiley in the top ten.

1	MagliaNera	2071	(-)
2	Kazistuta	1972	(-)
3	Ingsve	1887	(-)
4	Hfgon1	1877	(-)
5	Madrazo	1840	(-)
6	Armchair_Cyclist	1798	(-)
7	Hayneplane	1781	(-)
8	YellowKnight	1779	(+1)
9	Del1962	1753	(+3)
10	JumboVismaFan	1751	(+1)
11	LosBrolin	1695	(+3)
12	Onizuka999	1684	(-2)
13	Triley36	1672	(-5)
14	QueenStagiaire	1654	(+3)
15	Shakes	1648	(-)
16	NBFC1962	1645	(+7)
17	DevilsElbow	1618	(-4)
18	BicycleBoy	1615	(-2)
19	Bminchow	1602	(+1)
20	Vladimir	1586	(-1)
21	DJW	1578	(-)
22	BluesInTheBottle	1549	(-4)
23	EvansIsTheBest	1481	(-1)
24	Rufs	1478	(-)
25	DJSprtsch	1358	(-)
26	AmisVelo	1300	(-)
27	Leadbelly	1108	(+1)
28	Peixotini	1049	(-1)
29	Laarsland	858	(-)
30	Search	628	(-)
31	Nevs	545	(-)
32	RedheadDane	449	(-)
33	SamuCuenca	196	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	2043
	Default	343

All hoping for a more satisfactory race tomorrow, and there should be capacity for relevant GC action.

RedheadDane · Wednesday at 6:43 AM

Armchair Cyclist said:
32 RedheadDane 443 (-)
33 SamuCuenca 191 (-)

Uhm @Samu Cuenca how did you manage to pick a team that's so much worse than mine? Especially considering that we have half our teams in common...

Armchair Cyclist · Wednesday at 10:29 AM

I had been a bit thrown by the lack of change in red points yesterday. Turns out that I had made a mess up of pasting the GC standings (they don't map onto the Google Sheets version when I copy and paste from PCS in the same way as happens with the Excel version that was washed away on Monday morning's flood of tea, and I made a pig's ear of the extra steps necessary.

All now corrected in that post: didn't make any difference to positions in the top ten.

Samu Cuenca · Wednesday at 10:57 AM

RedheadDane said:
Uhm @Samu Cuenca how did you manage to pick a team that's so much worse than mine? Especially considering that we have half our teams in common...

As I explained earlier in the thread, I decided to select the 8 Basque-ish riders purely in disbelief over the start list. Had I picked the team I actually wanted, with Aular and Silva among others, I would have been in the lead after stage 1, but would probably still have been near the bottom now.

Armchair Cyclist · Wednesday at 12:09 PM

Samu Cuenca said:
As I explained earlier in the thread, I decided to select the 8 Basque-ish riders purely in disbelief over the start list. Had I picked the team I actually wanted, with Aular and Silva among others, I would have been in the lead after stage 1, but would probably still have been near the bottom now.

If you, or anyone else, wants to send in an alternative team on any future game, I can put it in the spreadsheet but not in the table. I changed my mind about my team (I dropped Landa in view of his announced stages only intentions, and made changes enabled by that), and also vaguely considered a Vingegaard+Almeida twin headed beast of a team (such as @triley36 went with): the fortunes of both abandoned line-ups can be seen in my tab on the spreadsheet, but don't interfere in the results. I can happily do that for others in future events (though I'm not responsible for the trauma if your rejected selection would have won)

Armchair Cyclist · Wednesday at 10:45 PM

Stage 17

A climb through the ashes

Green points

Largely the riders that would have been expected, but in a rather unexpected order.

PELLIZZARI Giulio	70	12
PIDCOCK Thomas	40	0
HINDLEY Jai	25	13
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	15	25
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	10	2
RICCITELLO Matthew	7	10
GALL Felix	5	2
TRAEEN Torstein	3	3
KUSS Sepp	2	8
JORGENSON Matteo	1	0

Amis Velo has 4 of the top ten, but so does the Collective Wisdom group, so no surprise that most of us have more than one scorer.

1	AmisVelo	104
2	Kazistuta	95
3	Ingsve	92
3	BluesInTheBottle	92
5	Onizuka999	90
6	YellowKnight	87
6	JumboVismaFan	87
6	DJW	87
6	Peixotini	87
10	NBFC1962	85
10	Vladimir	85
12	Nevs	70
13	MagliaNera	49
14	Hfgon1	47
14	Madrazo	47
14	Hayneplane	47
17	Armchair_Cyclist	42
18	Del1962	40
18	LosBrolin	40
18	Shakes	40
18	DevilsElbow	40
18	Bminchow	40
18	Rufs	40
24	Leadbelly	32
25	Triley36	25
26	QueenStagiaire	18
27	EvansIsTheBest	17
28	BicycleBoy	15
28	DJSprtsch	15
30	Search	7
31	Laarsland	3
32	RedheadDane	0
32	SamuCuenca	0
	Collective_Wisdom	117
	Default	0

Standings

A big jump up to second for Kazistuta: this classification is much more competitive than usual.

1	Del1962	554	(-)
2	Kazistuta	523	(+8)
3	Hfgon1	504	(+4)
4	QueenStagiaire	502	(-2)
5	LosBrolin	502	(+2)
6	NBFC1962	494	(+9)
7	MagliaNera	492	(+11)
8	JumboVismaFan	492	(+1)
9	BicycleBoy	491	(-6)
10	DJSprtsch	488	(-6)

Red points

PELLIZZARI Giulio	70	12
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	33	25
HINDLEY Jai	26	13
VERMAERKE Kevin	12	1
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	10	2

ROLLAND Brieuc	-13	3
AZPARREN IRURZUN Xabier Mikel	-15	3
LECERF William Junior	-15	2
CICCONE Giulio	-18	1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	-24	19

Many of the top green scorers on the day also had Bernal, so different names at the top here:

1	Vladimir	124
2	BluesInTheBottle	113
3	DJW	109
4	Onizuka999	99
5	Kazistuta	89
6	YellowKnight	86
7	AmisVelo	85
8	Peixotini	84
9	JumboVismaFan	77
10	Nevs	72
11	Ingsve	69
12	NBFC1962	66
13	Rufs	60
14	DevilsElbow	57
15	MagliaNera	54
16	Hfgon1	44
16	Shakes	44
18	Hayneplane	42
19	Triley36	41
20	EvansIsTheBest	36
21	Del1962	34
21	Madrazo	34
23	Bminchow	33
24	DJSprtsch	32
25	LosBrolin	25
26	Armchair_Cyclist	22
27	QueenStagiaire	10
28	Leadbelly	9
29	Search	1
30	RedheadDane	-5
31	BicycleBoy	-11
32	SamuCuenca	-14
33	Laarsland	-34
	Collective_Wisdom	113
	Default	-17

Standings

Kazistuta takes back another 35 points, there are now just 5 points between the lowest Vingegaard team and the hghest without him, and Collective Wisdom outscores any of us individually.

1	MagliaNera	2125	(-)
2	Kazistuta	2061	(-)
3	Ingsve	1956	(-)
4	Hfgon1	1921	(-)
5	Madrazo	1874	(-)
6	YellowKnight	1865	(+2)
7	JumboVismaFan	1828	(+3)
8	Hayneplane	1823	(-1)
9	Armchair_Cyclist	1820	(-3)
10	Del1962	1787	(-1)
11	Onizuka999	1783	(+1)
12	LosBrolin	1720	(-1)
13	Triley36	1713	(-)
14	NBFC1962	1711	(+2)
15	Vladimir	1710	(+5)
16	Shakes	1692	(-1)
17	DJW	1687	(+4)
18	DevilsElbow	1675	(-1)
19	QueenStagiaire	1664	(-5)
20	BluesInTheBottle	1662	(+2)
21	Bminchow	1635	(-2)
22	BicycleBoy	1604	(-4)
23	Rufs	1538	(+1)
24	EvansIsTheBest	1517	(-1)
25	DJSprtsch	1390	(-)
26	AmisVelo	1385	(-)
27	Peixotini	1133	(+1)
28	Leadbelly	1117	(-1)
29	Laarsland	824	(-)
30	Search	629	(-)
31	Nevs	617	(-)
32	RedheadDane	444	(-)
33	SamuCuenca	182	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	2156
	Default	326

Armchair Cyclist · 2025-09-12T01:00:55+0100

Stage 18
Like a prologue, but later in the race

Green points

Time trial specialists are often too expensive to get picked much.

GANNA Filippo	70	0
VINE Jay	40	0
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	25	2
ARMIRAIL Bruno	15	0
OLIVEIRA Ivo Emanuel Alves	10	0
KÜNG Stefan	7	0
O'BRIEN Kelland	5	1
SEGAERT Alec	3	0
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	2	25
HOOLE Daan	1	0

1	Triley36	27
2	Peixotini	25
3	JumboVismaFan	7
4=	23 other Vingegaard teams	2
27=	7 other teams	0

Standings

Jumbo Visma Fan moves up 2 to 6th, as the only O'Brien owner. The teams with Almeida are 13th and 29th.

1	Del1962	556	(-)
2	Kazistuta	525	(-)
3	Hfgon1	506	(-)
4	LosBrolin	504	(-)
5	QueenStagiaire	504	(-)
6	JumboVismaFan	499	(+2)
7	NBFC1962	496	(-1)
8	MagliaNera	494	(-1)
9	BicycleBoy	493	(-)
10	DJSprtsch	490	(-)

Red points

The TT was short, so time gaps fairly small, so few GC changes (but one fairly significant). Almeida moves up a couple of places in points classification (though that might be reversed in a sprinty stage today)

ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	33	2
RICCITELLO Matthew	25	10
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	20	25
O'BRIEN Kelland	5	1

BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	-7	19
GALL Felix	-26	2

The Almeida/Ricitello combination bears dividends

1	Peixotini	58
2	Triley36	53
3	BluesInTheBottle	43
4	Ingsve	38
4	Kazistuta	38
6	Hayneplane	37
6	Madrazo	37
6	MagliaNera	37
9	Hfgon1	35
10	Search	23
11	DJSprtsch	20
11	Vladimir	20
13	DevilsElbow	19
13	Rufs	19
15	DJW	18
15	EvansIsTheBest	18
15	JumboVismaFan	18
18	AmisVelo	15
19	NBFC1962	14
5	QueenStagiaire	13
21	Armchair_Cyclist	12
21	Bminchow	12
21	Del1962	12
24	BicycleBoy	11
24	YellowKnight	11
26	LosBrolin	10
26	Shakes	10
28	SamuCuenca	1
29	RedheadDane	0
30	Nevs	-2
31	Onizuka999	-8
32	Laarsland	-9
33	Leadbelly	-34
	Collective_Wisdom	35
	Default	-5

Standings

Among the top 5, the range of daily scores was just 3.

1	MagliaNera	2162	(-)
2	Kazistuta	2099	(-)
3	Ingsve	1994	(-)
4	Hfgon1	1956	(-)
5	Madrazo	1911	(-)
6	YellowKnight	1876	(-)
7	Hayneplane	1860	(+1)
8	JumboVismaFan	1846	(-1)
9	Armchair_Cyclist	1832	(-)
10	Del1962	1799	(-)
11	Onizuka999	1775	(-)
12	Triley36	1766	(+1)
13	Vladimir	1730	(+2)
14	LosBrolin	1730	(-2)
15	NBFC1962	1725	(-1)
16	DJW	1705	(+1)
17	BluesInTheBottle	1705	(+3)
18	Shakes	1702	(-2)
19	DevilsElbow	1694	(-1)
20	QueenStagiaire	1677	(-1)
21	Bminchow	1647	(-)
22	BicycleBoy	1615	(-)
23	Rufs	1557	(-)
24	EvansIsTheBest	1535	(-)
25	DJSprtsch	1410	(-)
26	AmisVelo	1400	(-)
27	Peixotini	1191	(-)
28	Leadbelly	1083	(-)
29	Laarsland	815	(-)
30	Search	652	(-)
31	Nevs	615	(-)
32	RedheadDane	444	(-)
33	SamuCuenca	183	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	2191
	Default	321

I suspect that stage 19 won't be much more dramatic in the tables, considering how few major sprinters feature in teams.

Armchair Cyclist · 2025-09-12T19:35:20+0100

Stage 19

That's a lot of watching for a 25 second hint of echelon action

Green points
As predicted, not a lot today

PHILIPSEN Jasper	70	0
PEDERSEN Mads	40	0
AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto	25	0
BIERMANS Jenthe	15	0
TURNER Ben	10	1
MARIT Arne	7	0
CHRISTEN Fabio	5	0
VERNON Ethan	3	0
GRUEL Thibaud	2	1
LABROSSE Jordan	1	0

So that's 10 points to Queen Stagiaire and 2 to Nevs. The latter is 28th in this ranking, but the former merits a shortened version of the table.
Standings

1	Del1962	556	(-)
2	Kazistuta	525	(-)
3	QueenStagiaire	514	(+1)
4	Hfgon1	506	(-1)

Red points

Very little GC variation (though I'm not sure what breakaway Bernal thinks he is losing time for at this stage); Almeida loses those points classification gains of yesterday.

VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas	18	25
TURNER Ben	10	1
MEINTJES Louis	6	3
PICKERING Finlay	4	1
VERMAERKE Kevin	4	1

ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves	-8	2
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley	-11	19
CICCONE Giulio	-15	1

These scores are not going to do much...

1	DevilsElbow	24
2	Vladimir	22
3	BluesInTheBottle	20
4	DJW	19
4	EvansIsTheBest	19
4	Onizuka999	19
7	DJSprtsch	18
7	QueenStagiaire	18
7	Rufs	18
10	YellowKnight	14
11	MagliaNera	12
12	Madrazo	11
13	NBFC1962	10
13	Triley36	10
15	BicycleBoy	8
15	LosBrolin	8
17	Armchair_Cyclist	7
17	Del1962	7
17	Hfgon1	7
17	Ingsve	7
17	JumboVismaFan	7
17	Kazistuta	7
17	Shakes	7
24	Bminchow	6
24	Hayneplane	6
26	Nevs	3
27	RedheadDane	2
28	SamuCuenca	0
29	Peixotini	-8
30	AmisVelo	-10
31	Laarsland	-11
31	Leadbelly	-11
33	Search	-13
	Collective_Wisdom	7
	Default	8

Standings
Nope: can't think of anything interesting to say.

1	MagliaNera	2174	(-)
2	Kazistuta	2106	(-)
3	Ingsve	2001	(-)
4	Hfgon1	1963	(-)
5	Madrazo	1922	(-)
6	YellowKnight	1890	(-)
7	Hayneplane	1866	(-)
8	JumboVismaFan	1853	(-)
9	Armchair_Cyclist	1839	(-)
10	Del1962	1806	(-)
11	Onizuka999	1794	(-)
12	Triley36	1776	(-)
13	Vladimir	1752	(-)
14	LosBrolin	1738	(-)
15	NBFC1962	1735	(-)
16	BluesInTheBottle	1725	(+1)
17	DJW	1724	(-1)
18	DevilsElbow	1718	(+1)
19	Shakes	1709	(-1)
20	QueenStagiaire	1695	(-)
21	Bminchow	1653	(-)
22	BicycleBoy	1623	(-)
23	Rufs	1575	(-)
24	EvansIsTheBest	1554	(-)
25	DJSprtsch	1428	(-)
26	AmisVelo	1390	(-)
27	Peixotini	1183	(-)
28	Leadbelly	1072	(-)
29	Laarsland	804	(-)
30	Search	639	(-)
31	Nevs	618	(-)
32	RedheadDane	446	(-)
33	SamuCuenca	183	(-)
	Collective_Wisdom	2198
	Default	329

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