32 may be indicted in Mantua Investigation

[ElChingon]

Hope CONi ban them all for min 2 years.

Realistically, two non-factor riders will probably be banned for 2 months. All these cases are really coming to nothing, either banning retired riders which makes no sense or fining riders for what their bikes are worth on the open market (aka drop in the bucket).

Doping pays and no recent case has proved otherwise (yet!).

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I said last year october(when they were supposed to release everything) they have nothing and so far I"m right as always typical italian macho talk from prosecutors, in the end 2 or 3 riders get suspended 3 months for talking to a doctor.

 

[MarkvW]

Looks like those Italian prosecutors don't be having themselves some good snitches. Me likes me some snitches . . ..

Omerta, going strong!

 

[WildspokeJoe]

Nothing will come from this.

I still think I'm right.

 

[Benotti69]

Petacchi resigning now seems very suspicious.

 

[Hematide]

Petacchi resigning now seems very suspicious.

Wasn't he only named in Padua & not Mantova. (at least, publicly)

 

[L'arriviste]

Wasn't he only named in Padua & not Mantova. (at least, publicly)

Yes. Mantova concerns Lampre-NGC in 2009 and Guido Nigrelli the pharmacist.

There has been a huge diaspora of Lampre riders since then. Almost all of those named (wisely) went to other teams, some quicker than others.

Of the original list of indicted riders, only Cunego remains with the team, while Pietropolli joined Lampre. He was with LPR when originally targeted by the prosecutors.

 

[Michele]

Cunego was supposed to go (Ive been told it was set to leave for Garmin) but he choosed to remain in the team.

 

[ElChingon]

Petacchi resigning now seems very suspicious.

He should of resigned after someone else had, then he'd of gotten second and no one would of noticed.

 

[spalco]

Bump I guess, or someone could open a new thread too:

From CN liveticker:

11:56:09 GMT

Unfortunately we have some doping news for you. The judges in the Mantova investigation has sent 27 people to trial. That includes 18 riders, amongst them Damiano Cunego and Alessandro Ballan.

 

[GuyIncognito]

I'm sure Santambrogio is going to be extremely worried about being caught in this.

 

[Eshnar]

CONI request 2 years ban for Ballan. http://www.coni.it/attivit%C3%A0-istituzionali/antidoping/19605-antidoping-inchiesta-di-mantova,-la-procura-deferisce-il-ciclista-alessandro-ballan-e-chiede-2-anni-di-squalifica-proposta-inibizione-a-vita-per-il-dottor-guido-nigrelli-e-7-anni-per-il-dottor-fiorenzo-egeo-bonazzi.html

 

[Dazed and Confused]

CONI request 2 years ban for Ballan. http://www.coni.it/attivit%C3%A0-istituzionali/antidoping/19605-antidoping-inchiesta-di-mantova,-la-procura-deferisce-il-ciclista-alessandro-ballan-e-chiede-2-anni-di-squalifica-proposta-inibizione-a-vita-per-il-dottor-guido-nigrelli-e-7-anni-per-il-dottor-fiorenzo-egeo-bonazzi.html

well, its something. Perhaps Ballan needs to head for Cookson's T&R.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

CONI request 2 years ban for Ballan. http://www.coni.it/attivit%C3%A0-istituzionali/antidoping/19605-antidoping-inchiesta-di-mantova,-la-procura-deferisce-il-ciclista-alessandro-ballan-e-chiede-2-anni-di-squalifica-proposta-inibizione-a-vita-per-il-dottor-guido-nigrelli-e-7-anni-per-il-dottor-fiorenzo-egeo-bonazzi.html

We are the leaders again when it comes to anti-doping. Other countries should learn from CONI.

 

[blackcat]

Cunego was supposed to go (Ive been told it was set to leave for GARMIN) but he choosed to remain in the team.

that is hilarious,

not surprising tho, but risible still

imagine a lineup with Contador, Cunego, Hesjedal, Millar, Danielson

 

[Benotti69]

that is hilarious,

not surprising tho, but risible still

imagine a lineup with Contador, Cunego, Hesjedal, Millar, Danielson

Not hard to imagine it. Garmin spend $500,000 to keep the riders on the negative side of testing.

 

[blackcat]

Not hard to imagine it. Garmin spend $500,000 to keep the riders on the negative side of testing.

i actually think jv wants a clean sport, and clean team.

but he cant reconcile the cognitive dissonance, and a professional sports circuit and competition that has clean sport at tension with doping for performance.

I think the term "clean" and "doper" are cruel euphemisms that will never sketch the nuance of the sport.

 

[sniper]

i actually think jv wants a clean sport, and clean team.

but he cant reconcile the cognitive dissonance, and a professional sports circuit and competition that has clean sport at tension with doping for performance.

I think the term "clean" and "doper" are cruel euphemisms that will never sketch the nuance of the sport.

looking at the rotten state of cycling, i think he saw a niche there that he could exploit.

all in all, i think JV's interest is his bank account, and having a bit of fun while filling it.
of course, if he can promote clean cycling and take credit for that, he'll do that.
like few others, i think he's understanding how in the long run clean(er) cycling is the best sellable product.
vaughters has seen the ****storm coming long before many others.
i think he, unlike some others in cycling, has anticipated a lot of the current developments, including of course Pat's downfall.
in the land of the blind...

 

[Dazed and Confused]

CONI request 2 years ban for Ballan. http://www.coni.it/attivit%C3%A0-istituzionali/antidoping/19605-antidoping-inchiesta-di-mantova,-la-procura-deferisce-il-ciclista-alessandro-ballan-e-chiede-2-anni-di-squalifica-proposta-inibizione-a-vita-per-il-dottor-guido-nigrelli-e-7-anni-per-il-dottor-fiorenzo-egeo-bonazzi.html

Ballan never tested postive.
Where are all the "evidence first" posters?

 

[Puckfiend]

Ballan never tested postive.
Where are all the "evidence first" posters?

I wonder if he could go to the USADA apology generator web site and get it reduced to a 6 month winter vacation?

 

[BroDeal]

Ballan never tested postive.
Where are all the "evidence first" posters?

They are all in Ireland and England. The desperate need for evidence way above and beyond common sense and rationality does not apply to non-Anglos.

 

[sniper]

Ballan never tested postive.
Where are all the "evidence first" posters?

interesting is that ballan doesn't even say "i never tested positive".
rather, he says "look at my passport, nothing to see there".
"just look at my passport" is the new "never tested positive".
these guys have figured out how to circumvent the passport long ago.

 

[the sceptic]

Ballan never tested postive.
Where are all the "evidence first" posters?

Probably busy trolling the Walsh thread.

I am eagerly awaiting their thoughts on Ballan though.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

interesting is that ballan doesn't even say "i never tested positive".
rather, he says "look at my passport, nothing to see there".
"just look at my passport" is the new "never tested positive".
these guys have figured out how to circumvent the passport long ago.

Plus when the finally try and nail a rider based on a dodgy passport the excuse list is long: virus, parasites, overtraining, stress, general dislike of the cold weather etc.

The anti doping system needs an overhaul methinks.

 

[skidmark]

Plus when the finally try and nail a rider based on a dodgy passport the excuse list is long: virus, parasites, overtraining, stress, general dislike of the cold weather etc.

The anti doping system needs an overhaul methinks.

What do you think would be a more effective and airtight system? What kind of 'overhaul' would avoid such excuses?