73ª Volta a Portugal 2.1 04/08 - 15/08

[Libertine Seguros]

Radio Macau ftw.

Though if they want music in Portuguese, then they could just hit us with a four-hour blast of Brazilian Tropicália music.

 

[trevim]

Bernabeu awarded the first yellow jersey as the best placed rider from last year.

 

[jens_attacks]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!?????


mods please?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!?????


mods please?

Terrible music is every bit as much a part of the tradition of the Volta a Portugal as heat, Serra da Estrela and doping.

 

[jens_attacks]

dude have you seen the picture above?

 

[trevim]

Terrible music is every bit as much a part of the tradition of the Volta a Portugal as heat, Serra da Estrela and doping.

Ahaha you're right. The music from the pre stage show at RTP is so awful

 

[trevim]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!?????


mods please?

Well know the Volta is facing financial problems!

 

[jens_attacks]

new podium girls.sums up the financial problems they have.
one of the countries with the most beautiful girls and they have chosen that.almost had a heart attack

 

[hrotha]

new podium girls.sums up the financial problems they have.
one of the countries with the most beautiful girls and they have chosen that.almost had a heart attack

Remember Chuck Garabedian's Mega-Savings Seminar?

 

[Sem Travões]

Terrible music is every bit as much a part of the tradition of the Volta a Portugal as heat, Serra da Estrela and doping.

Yap all that, but our doping is a very bad one never works, that's why we compesate in the Red Wine very good, unfortunately for all you "camones" we drink it all in Portugal

Talking about Minho, I'm from Lisbon and live in Ribatejo, but my mother is from tras-os-montes, my father from Alentejo almost Algarve, so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQi4FTO3fM

 

[trevim]

Yap all that, but our doping is a very bad one never works, that's why we compesate in the Red Wine very good, unfortunately for all you "camones" we drink it all in Portugal

Talking about Minho, I'm from Lisbon and live in Ribatejo, but my mother is from tras-os-montes, my father from Alentejo almost Algarve, so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQi4FTO3fM

That's a true classic of the portuguese "light" music

 

[canyonball]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!?????


mods please?

I assume my initial post intended to be a little bit provocative. You think it's off-topic. Fair enough. I think otherwise. It's about the way public television sells Volta a Portugal.

In all honesty, sometimes I think the Volta is an excuse to put yet another show with the same PIMBA artists. It's not just the presentation. It happens everyday before they get on air (late). Scheduling is flooded with shows offering this kind of entertainment. Isn't that enough?

In light of the recent struggle for financing, with would be important to think about the way we are going to sell the sport on Portugal; to understand wether this "popular" approach is working or not. Times are a'changing and there's need to keep up with that.

Anyway, this is nothing but a rant. As a cycling fan I would want this competition to be treated a little bit more like a sport and a little bit less like a circus. But if if the current system is working well and viewers are satisfied, I'm more than happy to take back my position.

Edit: Credit for some things on the live coverage, though. The reporter added a couple of years (?) back to the moto actually cares about his job and does his homework. Marco Chagas has some flaws on world cycling, but Is pretty good on the portuguese circuit and I enjoy his analysis. He also comes across as very humble for the viewers and I appreciate that.

 

[trevim]

I assume my initial post intended to be a little bit provocative. You think it's off-topic. Fair enough. I think otherwise. It's about the way public television sells Volta a Portugal.

In all honesty, sometimes I think the Volta is an excuse to put yet another show with the same PIMBA artists. It's not just the presentation. It happens everyday before they get on air (late). Scheduling is flooded with shows offering this kind of entertainment. Isn't that enough?

In light of the recent struggle for financing, with would be important to think about the way we are going to sell the sport on Portugal; to understand wether this "popular" approach is working or not. Times are a'changing and there's need to keep up with that.

Anyway, this is nothing but a rant. As a cycling fan I would want this competition to be treated a little bit more like a sport and a little bit less like a circus. But if if the current system is working well and viewers are sastified, I'm more than happy to take back my position.

I think the target of this shows is the occasional fan of cycling (Tour and Volta). In that sense maybe it works just fine to have this shows.

But I agree with you, it's really boring and annoying no doubt.

 

[jens_attacks]

man i don't care about those shows although i remember barbosa treated like a rock star last years.i don't care about portuguese music although i hear pretty much more and more portuguese lyrics in the clubs,it seems the language is going well with house music.that's fine.
my post was meant to show my outrage about that photo.it should be deleted,there's a lot of people entering here.

 

[canyonball]

@ jens: fair enough. I take my rant back and agree with you on the point of your post

On topic:

The startlist is not top-notch, but I'm trying to see that as something positive. For the last few years, we always had one or plus faces for the race, the ones you would put side by side on the poster. Weather it was David Blanco or the (not so) great Cândido Barbosa*. They are gone. And now we'll have to see who's going to step up.

*Many others deserve mention of course

I doubt any cycling fan wouldn't want to see a win from Andre Cardoso, the faithful lieutenant. We also need to painfullyget in the list João Cabreira, who's been on a roll this season. And why not the "old dog" Rui Sousa, getting five minutes in the crazy stage into Torre with a surprise break and taking the big prize home? I leave the foreigners out. I'll admit that I never watched most of them racing. So I leave you experts with the honor: who should I look for? Who's going to try something?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Hernâni Broco is a man to watch. He was 5th last year - 2nd before the final ITT, where he suffered like a dog and had a real jour sans. He will be undisputed leader at LA-Antarte this year, whereas last year that wasn't the goal. He missed out on a couple of Voltas with Liberty Seguros because he "didn't fit in" (read into that what you will); got into a good position by attacking on the Alto Campanhó and then having the strength to stay with the big guns on Senhora da Graça. He was climbing brilliantly in the Vuelta a Asturias and will be a big prospect for this race.

Also in Asturias, eternal breakaway artist Sérgio Sousa found himself climbing like an angel; he's always wasted his energy on breakaways in the past, but has shown that when he puts his mind to it he can climb very well, and maybe it's a good time for him to step up (the same way as André Cardoso should after being the KOM as a breakaway guy all the way back in 2007). Working against him is the fact that he'll be on the same team as Santi Pérez, though Santí always seems to have a collapse on one day these days. Daniel Silva was the best climber on Loulé last year, very surprising to those weaned on Santi and Tino Zaballa dominating for the team - maybe he can do something. And of course David Bernabéu, though now riding for Andalucía - he's been 2nd the last 2 years, now that Blanco's not there can he step up one place? He won the race once upon a time, but that was all the way back in 2004...

The race could still be a very good and exciting one. It's just that its level is going to be lower this year. Where are the Sellas, the Pardillas, the Sinkewitzes?

Oh, and on the commentary: Marco Chagas is awesome.

 

[canyonball]

Wow, how on earth did I miss Hernâni Broco. I guess I didn't soak in his last year's performance yet. I was on the side of the road, cheering for him during the ITT, although it was pretty clear on his face and on the time gaps it wasn't his day.

 

[Sem Travões]

In any case the national peloton miss or lacks a Portuguese big name, and liking it or not, Barbosa was the last one, we always had big names, the diference is that they start to went abroad to foreign teams (something I couldn't understand why had not happened before, even in the time of Acacio da Silva we had good racers), it seems that thye couldn't race straight in the peloton, at least that was the complain.
Strange enough, it seems that is the best chance for a national to win the race (without doping ) int he last years.
Let's see

 

[Libertine Seguros]

To be honest, a lot of the time in the past, people didn't really look to Portugal because
a) the scene was full of doping
b) the good national talent was obscured by being domestiques for bigger-name riders exiled by Puerto or other reasons
c) the Portuguese scene has traditionally been relatively well-paid in comparison to some of its neighbours

 

[Sem Travões]

To be honest, a lot of the time in the past, people didn't really look to Portugal because
a) the scene was full of doping
b) the good national talent was obscured by being domestiques for bigger-name riders exiled by Puerto or other reasons
c) the Portuguese scene has traditionally been relatively well-paid in comparison to some of its neighbours

Yes all that is correct (and I won't even talk about doping in the MTB races ), but I was going back a bit further, to the 80's after Agostinho died, cycling was more popular than ever, (we even had cyclo cross races, I've seen a few when I was a kid), and we had talent, but I guees we didn't had the mentality back then.

 

[Havetts]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!?????


mods please?

Hahaha oh wow this made me laugh so hard after reading your 2nd post

 

[trevim]

Hernâni Broco is a man to watch. He was 5th last year - 2nd before the final ITT, where he suffered like a dog and had a real jour sans. He will be undisputed leader at LA-Antarte this year, whereas last year that wasn't the goal. He missed out on a couple of Voltas with Liberty Seguros because he "didn't fit in" (read into that what you will); got into a good position by attacking on the Alto Campanhó and then having the strength to stay with the big guns on Senhora da Graça. He was climbing brilliantly in the Vuelta a Asturias and will be a big prospect for this race.

Also in Asturias, eternal breakaway artist Sérgio Sousa found himself climbing like an angel; he's always wasted his energy on breakaways in the past, but has shown that when he puts his mind to it he can climb very well, and maybe it's a good time for him to step up (the same way as André Cardoso should after being the KOM as a breakaway guy all the way back in 2007). Working against him is the fact that he'll be on the same team as Santi Pérez, though Santí always seems to have a collapse on one day these days. Daniel Silva was the best climber on Loulé last year, very surprising to those weaned on Santi and Tino Zaballa dominating for the team - maybe he can do something. And of course David Bernabéu, though now riding for Andalucía - he's been 2nd the last 2 years, now that Blanco's not there can he step up one place? He won the race once upon a time, but that was all the way back in 2004...

The race could still be a very good and exciting one. It's just that its level is going to be lower this year. Where are the Sellas, the Pardillas, the Sinkewitzes?

Oh, and on the commentary: Marco Chagas is awesome.

At first I hated Cardoso because he won that KOM sprinting for 3rd and 4th category prizes

 

[trevim]

Prologue start times:


15:30:00 Dmitriy KOSYAKOV Itera/Katusha
15:31:00 Thomas SCULLY Chipotle Development Team
15:32:00 Serhat SERT Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
15:33:00 Toms SKUJINS Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
15:34:00 Javier CHACON Andalucia/Caja Granada
15:35:00 Diego MILAN Caja Rural
15:36:00 Otavio BULGARELLI Farnese Vini/Neri
15:37:00 Guilherme LOURENÇO Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
15:38:00 Alberto MORRAS ONDA/Boavista
15:39:00 Rui VINHAS LA/Antarte
15:40:00 Carlos BALTAZAR Barbot/Efapel
15:41:00 Henrique CASIMIRO Tavira/Prio
15:42:00 Andrei KRASILNIKAU Chipotle Development Team
15:43:00 Alexandr PRISHPETNYY Itera/Katusha
15:44:00 Daniel PETROV Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
15:45:00 Justin JULES Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
15:46:00 Eloy RUIZ Andalucia/Caja Granada
15:47:00 Oleg CHUZHDA Caja Rural
15:48:00 Gianluca MIRENDA Farnese Vini/Neri
15:49:00 Thomas TIOZZO Lampre/ISD
15:50:00 Valter COUTINHO Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
15:51:00 Delio FERNANDEZ ONDA/Boavista
15:52:00 Bruno SANCHO LA/Antarte
15:53:00 César FONTE Barbot/Efapel
15:54:00 Daniel MESTRE Tavira/Prio
15:55:00 Jacob RATHE Chipotle Development Team
15:56:00 Mikhail ANTONOV Itera/Katusha
15:57:00 Selcuk TURKCETIN Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
15:58:00 Evaldas SISKEVICIUS Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
15:59:00 Pablo LECHUGA Andalucia/Caja Granada
16:00:00 Julien SANCHEZ Caja Rural
16:01:00 Davide RICCIBITTI Farnese Vini/Neri
16:02:00 Balint SZEGHALMI Lampre/ISD
16:03:00 Helder LEAL Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
16:04:00 Jon PARDO ONDA/Boavista
16:05:00 Hernâni BRÔCO LA/Antarte
16:06:00 Sérgio SOUSA Barbot/Efapel
16:07:00 Tomás SWIFT-METCALFE Tavira/Prio
16:08:00 Raymond KREDER Chipotle Development Team
16:09:00 Viacheslav KUZNETSOV Itera/Katusha
16:10:00 Evgeni GERGANOV Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
16:11:00 Julien ANTOMARCHI Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
16:12:00 Sergio CARRASCO Andalucia/Caja Granada
16:13:00 Higinio FERNANDEZ Caja Rural
16:14:00 VONA Emanuel Farnese Vini/Neri
16:15:00 Massimo GRAZIATO Lampre/ISD
16:16:00 Jóni BRANDÃO Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
16:17:00 Daniel SILVA ONDA/Boavista
16:18:00 Hugo SABIDO LA/Antarte
16:19:00 Bruno PINTO Barbot/Efapel
16:20:00 Luis SILVA Tavira/Prio
16:21:00 Robbie SQUIRE Chipotle Development Team
16:22:00 Sergei RUDASKOV Itera/Katusha
16:23:00 Muhammet ATALAY Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
16:24:00 Daniel DIAZ Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
16:25:00 José CANO Andalucia/Caja Granada
16:26:00 Ruben MARTINEZ Caja Rural
16:27:00 Matteo RABOTTINI Farnese Vini/Neri
16:28:00 Vitaly KONDRUT Lampre/ISD
16:29:00 Antonio CARVALHO Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
16:30:00 Hélder OLIVEIRA ONDA/Boavista
16:31:00 Vergílio SANTOS LA/Antarte
16:32:00 Filipe CARDOSO Barbot/Efapel
16:33:00 David LIVRAMENTO Tavira/Prio
16:34:00 Robert BUSH Chipotle Development Team
16:35:00 Pavel KOCHETKOV Itera/Katusha
16:36:00 Mustafa SAYAR Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
16:37:00 Eduardo GONZALO Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
16:38:00 Juan ESTRADA Andalucia/Caja Granada
16:39:00 Fabricio FERRARI Caja Rural
16:40:00 Roberto DE PATRE Farnese Vini/Neri
16:41:00 Aitor PEREZ ARRIETA Lampre/ISD
16:42:00 Luis AFONSO Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
16:43:00 Célio SOUSA ONDA/Boavista
16:44:00 Bruno SILVA LA/Antarte
16:45:00 António AMORIM Barbot/Efapel
16:46:00 André CARDOSO Tavira/Prio
16:47:00 Lachlan MORTON Chipotle Development Team
16:48:00 Sergey FIRSANOV Itera/Katusha
16:49:00 Svetoslav KIRILOV Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
16:50:00 Yohan CAUQUIL Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
16:51:00 Jose V. TORIBIO Andalucia/Caja Granada
16:52:00 Paul HENDRIK KNEPPERS Caja Rural
16:53:00 Alessandro BISOLTI Farnese Vini/Neri
16:54:00 Vitaliy BUTS Lampre/ISD
16:55:00 Bruno SARAIVA Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
16:56:00 Alejandro MARQUE ONDA/Boavista
16:57:00 Márcio BARBOSA LA/Antarte
16:58:00 Raul ALARCON Barbot/Efapel
16:59:00 Samuel CALDEIRA Tavira/Prio
17:00:00 Alex HOWES Chipotle Development Team
17:01:00 Andrei SOLOMENNIKOV Itera/Katusha
17:02:00 Stanislav ZARALIEV Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
17:03:00 Benjamin GIRAUD Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
17:04:00 Manuel ORTEGA Andalucia/Caja Granada
17:05:00 David DE LA CRUZ Caja Rural
17:06:00 Diego CACCIA Farnese Vini/Neri
17:07:00 Francesco GAVAZZI Lampre/ISD
17:08:00 Micael ISIDORO Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
17:09:00 Ricardo VILELA ONDA/Boavista
17:10:00 Hugo SANCHO LA/Antarte
17:11:00 Sergio RIBEIRO Barbot/Efapel
17:12:00 Ricardo MESTRE Tavira/Prio
17:13:00 Thomas DEKKER Chipotle Development Team
17:14:00 Timofey KRITSKIY Itera/Katusha
17:15:00 Danail PETROV Konya Torku Seker Spor/Vivelo
17:16:00 Thomas VAUBOURZEIX Velo Club la Pomme Marseille
17:17:00 Bravo GARIKOITZ Caja Rural
17:18:00 Andrea GUARDINI Farnese Vini/Neri
17:19:00 Alfredo BALLONI Lampre/ISD
17:20:00 Domingos GONÇALVES Selecção Nacional Portuguesa
17:21:00 João CABREIRA ONDA/Boavista
17:22:00 Edgar PINTO LA/Antarte
17:23:00 Rui SOUSA Barbot/Efapel
17:24:00 Nelson VITORINO Tavira/Prio
17:25:00 David BARNABEU Andalucia/Caja Granada



My pick: Filipe Cardoso

 

[Parrulo]

3 races i want to watch at the same time. . . . god damnit <_<

 

[Mellow Velo]

3 races i want to watch at the same time. . . . god damnit <_<

Me, too.
TV live, tv recording and net, no problem.
Watching Burgos, right now.....