79th Dwars door Vlaanderen - A travers la Flandre ME (1.UWT) April 2nd 2025

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I call it Dwarfs of Vlanderen

 

[E_F_]

It used to be "Dwars door België", when the race literally went through the middle of Belgium, close to the language barrier.

Nowadays the race is completely on Flemish territory, but it would have to go from Roeselare to Hasselt or something to be truly "Across Flanders".

Well, I'm not sure all Belgians are into the whole thing with calling all of Dutch-speaking Belgium Flanders. It takes place in East- and West Flanders, just like de Rone (used to).

 

[gavia88]

It used to be "Dwars door België", when the race literally went through the middle of Belgium, close to the language barrier.

Nowadays the race is completely on Flemish territory, but it would have to go from Roeselare to Hasselt or something to be truly "Across Flanders".

it was even a 2 days race

 

[Pantani_lives]

"Dwars" also means "contrary".

 

[E_F_]

Apparently "Flanders" has even denoted the whole large parts of the Low Countries...

However, the term came to be used for a bigger territory, and this is critical to the evolution of modern terminology. Once the Counts of Flanders (who were also Dukes of Burgundy) expanded their regional power to create the bigger entity, now referred to by historians as the Burgundian Netherlands, "Flanders", along with Latin "Belgium", were the first two common names to describe this regional block. With the breakaway of the northern Netherlands in the early modern period, the term Flanders continued to be associated with the whole southern part of the Low Countries—the Southern, Spanish or Austrian Netherlands, which were the successors of the Burgundian state, and also predecessors of modern Belgium. The restriction of the term Flanders to the Germanic speaking part of the population occurred later.

 

[tobydawq]

Same as tour, giro, oomloop, vuelta, etc in abbreviated form. Who got time for the extra words

Those are all nouns, Dwars isn't, that's the difference.

 

[scribers]

It is an abbreviation of a thing. Same as those other abbreviations of things.

 

[E_F_]

Same as tour, giro, oomloop, vuelta, etc in abbreviated form. Who got time for the extra words

Tour, tour, roundtrip, tour, straight... One of these is not like the others. I don't have a problem with it, but I think there's a distinction. Also those are all native terms, which I doubt "Dwars" is.

 

[scribers]

Tour, tour, roundtrip, tour, straight... One of these is not like the others. I don't have a problem with it, but I think there's a distinction. Also those are all native terms, which I doubt "Dwars" is.

They all are like each other in context though. I don’t begrudge anyone’s use myself either interesting points none the less. I respect your knowledge

 

[Boehmand]

I must admit I question Lidl-Trek entering Mads Pedersen for this race, especially after his effort Sunday.

Pogacar and MvdP are not racing until Sunday and have not raced since MSR and E3 respectively.

To me Pedersen racing today is Lidl-Trek admitting they can't win Ronde.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Those are all nouns, Dwars isn't, that's the difference.

So do you object to surnames like Strong, Van Aert, Swift, Ventoso, Fortunato....

Where would Carlton Kirby be if there were no proper nouns derived from other parts of speech?

 

[tobydawq]

So do you object to surnames like Strong, Van Aert, Swift, Ventoso, Fortunato....

What do you think?

Dwars is not the name of a race, it is a word used in a description of how they're riding in Flanders, which in turn is the name of the race.

This is not a hill I'm willing to die on but it seems rather stupid to compare it with given names.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

What do you think?

Dwars is not the name of a race,

It's an abbreviation of the name of the race which, in context, identifies it precisely, and therefore acts as a proper name. Not a formal name, but the same could be said of 'Pog', 'Vinge' and 'Rogla'. Applied linguistics.

 

[gavia88]

I must admit I question Lidl-Trek entering Mads Pedersen for this race, especially after his effort Sunday.

Pogacar and MvdP are not racing until Sunday and have not raced since MSR and E3 respectively.

To me Pedersen racing today is Lidl-Trek admitting they can't win Ronde.

yes, it's weird indeed. He already did P-N, Milano - San Remo, E3 Harelbeke en Gent - Wevelgem. And raced all of them on full force. Add the crash (Petersen was in there as well) of last year in this race, what actually ruined his RVV last year and there are reasons enough to just do the last finetuning for RVV in training instead of another race.

 

[Didinho]

A lot of wind again today. More than in the weekend. Hope it will make the race.

 

[danielovichdk2]

I must admit I question Lidl-Trek entering Mads Pedersen for this race, especially after his effort Sunday.

Pogacar and MvdP are not racing until Sunday and have not raced since MSR and E3 respectively.

To me Pedersen racing today is Lidl-Trek admitting they can't win Ronde.

If he really races today, then yes.

If he stays calm, then no.

Leaning more to yes since he never takes it easy.

 

[MJR]

It's an abbreviation of the name of the race which, in context, identifies it precisely, and therefore acts as a proper name. Not a formal name, but the same could be said of 'Pog', 'Vinge' and 'Rogla'. Applied linguistics.

Agreed. It's an easy and short nickname for those of us who don't speak the language it was named in.

Is it silly and incorrect? Probably, but there it is.

 

[Netserk]

Van Aert with an early bike change in both E3 and here.

 

[tobydawq]

Van Aert with an early bike change in both E3 and here.

Are you suggesting he has a motor in the spare bike?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Bettiol already a DNF, normal service has sadly resumed for him this spring.

 

[Netserk]

Are you suggesting he has a motor in the spare bike?

So you hate waffles?

 

[MJR]

Bettiol continues to be a mystery this spring.

 

[Netserk]

Magnier crashed on his right side, with wounds on both thigh and shoulder:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907400815846854953

View: https://x.com/vic_D1891/status/1907400815846854953

 

[tobydawq]

Magnier crashed on his right side, with wounds on both thigh and shoulder:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907400815846854953

View: https://x.com/vic_D1891/status/1907400815846854953

Not a lucky spring for him.

 

[topcat]

The race is really kicking off now