86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

[BR2]

People have different ways of dealing with things they have zero influence over. You are not the benchmark for right and wrong here.

I thought it was generally normal decent behaviour. If you need to talk about something else to deal with it, okay, but making jokes about riders legs in the very same thread right now?
I'm really disgusted and yes, I'm gone now. Have fun.

 

[Scarponi]

I just woke up and haven’t watched the stage yet , was the descent dangerous or just a mistake from the riders?

 

[Faserr]

I just woke up and haven’t watched the stage yet , was the descent dangerous or just a mistake from the riders?

I would say a fast but normal descent, where things like that happen unfortunately from time to time. Like Jens Voigt at the Tour 12 years ago or so.

 

[Rackham]

I just woke up and haven’t watched the stage yet , was the descent dangerous or just a mistake from the riders?

Based on the view from my sofa I've seen way worse descents than this one. I thought the climb was spectacular & Ayuso's performance (& his descent) was amazing. He deserves huge credit for that ride & it's a shame this is all overshadowing the sport aspect this evening.

I don't think anyone even knows how the riders fell either (& neither had any reason to be pushing hard at that point anyway).

 

[RedheadDane]

good riddance

That's not nice. It's one thing to not have an issue with that kind of talk in the current situation. But you can't expect everyone else to be fine with it.
We all react differently to these sort of news.

 

[kingjr]

That's not nice. It's one thing to not have an issue with that kind of talk in the current situation. But you can't expect everyone else to be fine with it.
We all react differently to these sort of news.

I believe that's the point I was making. I wasn't the one to suggest something is wrong with somebody.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Remco's take in this matter is so idiotic. So talented but a bit of a knucklehead. And it shows.

 

[search]

I don't think anyone even knows how the riders fell either (& neither had any reason to be pushing hard at that point anyway).

in happened in this lefthander (Video of Ayuso, not the crash itself):

Watch TDS01 | Streamable

Watch "TDS01" on Streamable.

streamable.com

The article on Blick.ch has some pictures which were taken afterwards:

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Remco's take in this matter is so idiotic. So talented but a bit of a knucklehead. And it shows.

It‘s just opportunism, he can maybe convince people to include less descents and it helps him as a bad descender. He really isn‘t that dumb. Also, that one corner looks deceptive and challenging but I don‘t think you should take this climb out of competition because of one corner.

 

[Extinction]

PLUS, the racers determine the speed of the descent.

That does not change my concern for injured riders though.

But you are flying down and, all of a sudden, you realize your trajectory is wrong. Sometimes in the moment you can correct it, sometimes you can't. I hope he pulls through.

 

[RedheadDane]

I believe that's the point I was making. I wasn't the one to suggest something is wrong with somebody.

You still implied it would be good if someone left the forum for having a more emotional reaction... including a knee-jerk "What's wrong with you?" question. Let's just hope she doesn't delete her account, again...

 

[Hugh Januss]

Remco's take in this matter is so idiotic. So talented but a bit of a knucklehead. And it shows.

I believe I saw Skjelmose or Ayuso quoted saying something similar.

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[Jagartrott]

It‘s just opportunism, he can maybe convince people to include less descents and it helps him as a bad descender. He really isn‘t that dumb. Also, that one corner looks deceptive and challenging but I don‘t think you should take this climb out of competition because of one corner.

He stated he found the descent dangerous immediately after the finish, thus before news of the seriousness of Mäder's crash. I like descending on the bike myself, but I have to agree that this descent is fairly risky, mostly because of the high speed coupled with a combination of fast turns. Come in too fast into such a combination, and you may still make the first turn, but at the cost of a wrong trajectory and then you miss the second one. Nothing super-exceptional, but still quite tricky.

 

[Big Doopie]

You can’t take the blame off yourselves, you’ve done this because of your insane hype…

Lol. Your insane hate. Truly fascinated by your investment in one person‘s failure.

humans are truly mysterious.

”ignore“? Check.

love this feature.

ba-bye

 

[Berniece]

Remco's take in this matter is so idiotic. So talented but a bit of a knucklehead. And it shows.

Yeah, so weird that the guy that almost died during a dangerous descent has a comment on other dangerous descents. What a knucklehead...

 

[Volderke]

Remco's take in this matter is so idiotic. So talented but a bit of a knucklehead. And it shows.

Remco saw one of them crashing. Remco himself had a life-threatening crash.
I don’t think Remco had any other motive than speaking out for rider’s safety. These kind of crashes can kill you.

I hope Mader fully recovers. I think / hope Sheffield came out relatively good, given how much worse this could have ended.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I’m not a bike racer, have never been and will never become. I’m just sitting in my sofa watching these gladiators, and I loved Alaphilippe down from Galibier. I loved Savoldelli in 2005. Crazy downhills has been a part of the sport for a century.

But I do feel that if the guys that are the ones who have to do it doesn’t like it, they are entitled to say so. If they don’t want downhill finishes they are entitled to say so.

It’s easy for us to say that “lol you know you need to descend after a climb”, but there is always a slight difference from having a big descent in the middle of a stage and to have it straight into the finish, so I can understand what they are thinking. And I think they are entitled to dislike and speak out their feelings about downhill finishes.

 

[kingjr]

You still implied it would be good if someone left the forum for having a more emotional reaction... including a knee-jerk "What's wrong with you?" question. Let's just hope she doesn't delete her account, again...

Not at all. First, if anything, it was about the thread, not the forum as such. Second, you make it sound like I said it was objectively a good thing. It's safer to assume that I was merely subjectively glad about someone having left the room, and expressing this by way of an emotional knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Didinho]

He stated he found the descent dangerous immediately after the finish, thus before news of the seriousness of Mäder's crash. I like descending myself on the bike, but I have to agree that this descent is fairly risky, mostly because of the high speed coupled with a combination of fast turns. Come in too fast into such a combination, and you may make the first turn, but in a wrong trajectory and then you miss the second one. Nothing super-dangerous, but still quite tricky.

The average speed looked way higher than out-of-Suisse descents, less time to react or avoid a mistake. These pictures looks so far down, I’m really hoping he gets through this.

With Remco I think he was just a bit behind the Sheffield group so maybe he saw it happen in the distance or so. Don’t know why you would react immediately like that after the stage, because I didn’t even noticed that someone crashed or was missing from that group.

Don’t care about the race anymore, his health is what matters now.

 

[Netserk]

You still implied it would be good if someone left the forum for having a more emotional reaction... including a knee-jerk "What's wrong with you?" question. Let's just hope she doesn't delete her account, again...

No, not for having an emotional reaction.

Rather for a toxic need to police the emotions of others.

 

[Boes]

Remco's take in this matter is so idiotic. So talented but a bit of a knucklehead. And it shows.

Such an idiotic remark just to have a go at remco.
He saw Sheffield crashing (not even Mäder) and the first thing he said after his finish is that there's no need for a steep descent after a climb because it creates dangerous situation with exhausted riders. He completely has a point. You're the knucklehead and this is putting it mildly.

 

[Brullnux]

Any updates on Mäder?

 

[Bonimenier]

Any updates on Mäder?

Still nothing on Bahrain's twitter.

 

[Extinction]

Finishing descents and descending in general are part of the sport, with their inherent dangers. At some point something horrible happens. It's a statistical thing, but you can't eliminate risk. Sprinters are at risk, any descent is risky, Downpours can cause crashes, stray dogs, cats, errant vehicles, poor route indications, entering straight cobbled sections too at 60 km per hour. It's nuts. But it's cycling.

 

[Boehmand]

in happened in this lefthander (Video of Ayuso, not the crash itself):

Watch TDS01 | Streamable

Watch "TDS01" on Streamable.

streamable.com

The article on Blick.ch has some pictures which were taken afterwards:

That's a long fall

Is there a sharp corner right before where they went off?

I'm asking because from the pictures it looks like a fairly weak curve, that they went off the inside off, which sounds more like a riding error than the descent being dangerous?