Alberto Contador and Doping

[Moose McKnuckles]

Question on Berto. What was the nature of his condition that he collapsed and almost died?

He read one of your stupid posts.

 

[Ferminal]

Contador was one of nine riders expelled from the TDF years ago at one point after being linked to a blood-doping ring in the Spanish capital. I wouldn't doubt he still cheats today.

Menchov has never been linked to doping by the way.

You mean to tell me that most if not all of the top 10 in a GT are transfusing their own blood?

What a breakthrough.

 

[scribe]

He read one of your stupid posts.

Easy does it, bro. Your post is so sensy, you must have been a major Armstrong fan years ago.

 

[Cozy Beehive]

His power/weight over the years

I took values user Halamala provided me in a previous thread on power and average values from an individual named "Thomas" and an anonymous character on Science of Sport's post comments. Here's a plot I was able to put together. Interpret what you want.

 

[saganftw]

I took values user Halamala provided me in a previous thread on power and average values from an individual named "Thomas" and an anonymous character on Science of Sport's post comments. Here's a plot I was able to put together. Interpret what you want.

pretty much normal...apart from 6,4 this year
btw how much was andy doin on the tourmalet if AC did 5,8 and he was on his wheel all the time

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Easy does it, bro. Your post is so sensy, you must have been a major Armstrong fan years ago.

Yeah, I actually a big Armstrong fan, honestly.

I withdraw my "stupid post" comment.

 

[Ferminal]

I took values user Halamala provided me in a previous thread on power and average values from an individual named "Thomas" and an anonymous character on Science of Sport's post comments. Here's a plot I was able to put together. Interpret what you want.

Great, thanks for that.

So his head-to-head with the Chicken is more or less the same as his efforts this year.

Seems to dispel any talk of Contador not being "at his best" this year.

 

[Cozy Beehive]

pretty much normal...apart from 6,4 this year
btw how much was andy doin on the tourmalet if AC did 5,8 and he was on his wheel all the time

Anonymous had calculated 6.68 W/kg for that climb, and Thomas got 6.33. I took the average. Every person has a different value in his calculations. Might as well take all the averages and work with that.

 

[Pedaaldanser]

With something like that, it makes taking blood transfusions to be unthinkable.

Do you have a medical reason for saying that?

 

[craig1985]

I took values user Halamala provided me in a previous thread on power and average values from an individual named "Thomas" and an anonymous character on Science of Sport's post comments. Here's a plot I was able to put together. Interpret what you want.

How do you interpret such results? Are they indication of clean riding or blood doping? How many variables come into play when trying to understand those figures?

 

[scribe]

Do you have a medical reason for saying that?

I wouldn't do it if I was predisposed to any such event. I wouldn't if I was a cancer survivor either.

 

[Ferminal]

I wouldn't do it if I was predisposed to any such event. I wouldn't if I was a cancer survivor either.

Conversely, having been through those experience it could make them less risk averse.

(All up to the individual).

 

[Cozy Beehive]

How do you interpret such results? Are they indication of clean riding or blood doping? How many variables come into play when trying to understand those figures?

I'll leave that to others. I personally can't say much looking at this. What would have been interesting was to superimpose total times of the climbs and grade along with power to weight info. You're welcome to help me.

 

[khardung la]

world cup,nadal dominating tennis world,contador cycling world...seriously what are they doin down there?

Well, you can have serious doubts regarding cycling, or even with Nadal (although the guy is as technical as anyone or more). But I don´t think they won the footbal WC (or basketball worlds, handball worlds, motorbike worlds in different categories, F1, indoor football world champs etc....) thanks to any doping. Those other sports require basically technique or skills, something that cannot be given by a doping programme. In fact the Spanish footbal team was clearly in bad physical condition this year. They just had more technique than any other team, and certainly some luck.

What about the 5 wins in the last 6 years at the TdF by 3 different riders?? I personally believe doping plays a role, as much as in the rest of the countries. Cyclists in general share the same doctors, and those Spanish cyclists rode in often foreing teams...

 

[Paco_P]

Indurain (and the very personable Delgado) inspired many a Spanish adolescent to take up cycling. The tremendous success of current Spanish cyclists owes a lot to their inspiration, although Spain has a long history in the sport, e.g. Bahamontes.

 

[halamala]

Giro 2008, Stage 16, Plan de Corones (ITT)

Contador: VAM 1597 m/h, 5.61 w/kg

Giro 2008, Stage 19, Monte Pora (last 5,0 km)

Contador: VAM 1597 m/h, 5.87 w/kg

Giro 2008, Stage 20, Passo del Mortirolo

Contador: VAM 1673 m/h, 5.38 w/kg

 

[roundabout]

Contador was 40 seconds faster than the winning time this year on the Kronplatz despite the improvements made to the surface.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Contador was 40 seconds faster than the winning time this year on the Kronplatz despite the improvements made to the surface.

Wind blowing the same direction and speed?

 

[DAOTEC]

Contador was one of nine riders expelled from the TDF years ago at one point after being linked to a blood-doping ring in the Spanish capital. I wouldn't doubt he still cheats today.

so, you were right on the money