Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Angliru]

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i don't understand this 1st place or bust mentality, imo it's a lack of respect for the employer. 2nd place is better than 10

Anyone see Quintana and Contador talking on the warm down? What were they planning or plotting? I like the nice relationship between them, almost wants me accept Quintana as an alternate winner if Bertie cannot take it...almost.

they were probably giggling about how they made Froome chased them... :lol:

they can giggle as much they want, atm Froome has more Tdf"s than both Contador and Quintana combined.

It seems to be a philosophy that has gained him more than it's cost him. He won a Vuelta when it seemed lost
with that philosophy. Also no one knows what could've transpired this year. Froome and his team was caught sleeping and if Astana didn't have Scarponi in the top ten, Froome could've dropped from the podium. The attention it brought the sponsors is immense and I'm sure greatly appreciated. Much more screen time and time in the media than if they had ridden conservatively to maintain their positions.

 

[Electress]

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i don't understand this 1st place or bust mentality, imo it's a lack of respect for the employer. 2nd place is better than 10

Anyone see Quintana and Contador talking on the warm down? What were they planning or plotting? I like the nice relationship between them, almost wants me accept Quintana as an alternate winner if Bertie cannot take it...almost.

they were probably giggling about how they made Froome chased them... :lol:

they can giggle as much they want, atm Froome has more Tdf"s than both Contador and Quintana combined.

In which universe is the man who plays the percentages to come a dull second more revered and respected than the guy who'll lay it all on the line to win? The sponsors know EXACTLY what they're getting: association with the greatest GT racer of his generation who even when not on form will try everything and anything to win. Not to mention understands that part of his job as a sportsman is to entertain, because merely winning ISN'T enough. And said sponsors get all this without having any loose cannon antics to deal with off the bike. Lack of respect my arse.

IMO, for what that's worth, there is little more disrespectful to the sport of cycling than the belief that the only thing worth winning is the TdF. Fabian Cancellara, Peter Sagan, Tom Boonen et al all say 'Hello'.

 

[DFA123]

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i don't understand this 1st place or bust mentality, imo it's a lack of respect for the employer. 2nd place is better than 10

Anyone see Quintana and Contador talking on the warm down? What were they planning or plotting? I like the nice relationship between them, almost wants me accept Quintana as an alternate winner if Bertie cannot take it...almost.

they were probably giggling about how they made Froome chased them... :lol:

they can giggle as much they want, atm Froome has more Tdf"s than both Contador and Quintana combined.

It seems to be a philosophy that has gained him more than it's cost him. He won a Vuelta when it seemed lost
with that philosophy. Also no one knows what could've transpired this year. Froome and his team was caught sleeping and if Astana didn't have Scarponi in the top ten, Froome could've dropped from the podium. The attention it brought the sponsors is immense and I'm sure greatly appreciated. Much more screen time and time in the media than if they had ridden conservatively to maintain their positions.

That's a completely different situation than Amnes2015 was referring to. He wasn't risking a podium at all with his attack on the Fuente Dé stage; he had a four minute cushion over a fourth place who had completely blown up in the race. He had absolutely nothing to lose with that attack. If it failed he would have lost very little time, possibly none on such an easy climb.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Look how similar Chavito's expressions are to Berto's Thought that was funny

 

[Scarponi]

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i don't understand this 1st place or bust mentality, imo it's a lack of respect for the employer. 2nd place is better than 10

Anyone see Quintana and Contador talking on the warm down? What were they planning or plotting? I like the nice relationship between them, almost wants me accept Quintana as an alternate winner if Bertie cannot take it...almost.

they were probably giggling about how they made Froome chased them... :lol:

they can giggle as much they want, atm Froome has more Tdf"s than both Contador and Quintana combined.

Froome is 1-3 years of cracking. He will fall so far short of Alberto's palmAres. 5 tours is so far short of 9-10 GTs in my book

 

[Jelantik]

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i don't understand this 1st place or bust mentality, imo it's a lack of respect for the employer. 2nd place is better than 10

Anyone see Quintana and Contador talking on the warm down? What were they planning or plotting? I like the nice relationship between them, almost wants me accept Quintana as an alternate winner if Bertie cannot take it...almost.

they were probably giggling about how they made Froome chased them... :lol:

they can giggle as much they want, atm Froome has more Tdf"s than both Contador and Quintana combined.

Sure Contador can. He has more GT win than Froome and Quintana combined. I don't think Froome will reach the same amount of GT win in his life time :lol:

 

[jsem94]

Exactly. Success is not only measured in TdF victories. Froome should go do the Giro this coming year or the year after that imo. I like the fact that he's at least trying the Vuelta a lot, given that he broke through in this race it's not so strange that he likes it.

 

[Mr.White]

He will finish second in Madrid. The only thing that can stop him is attacking from a far in Aitana stage.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He will finish second in Madrid. The only thing that can stop him is attacking from a far in Aitana stage.

We all know that's pretty likely

 

[DFA123]

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He will finish second in Madrid. The only thing that can stop him is attacking from a far in Aitana stage.

Agree; think he knows it as well. He's been grooming Quintana as an ally rather than a rival in these last few days. The two of them working together definitely have a chance of distancing Froome at Aitana.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Bummer about the TTT. He'd be in second with a much better - but still outside - shot at overhauling Quintana with a strong ITT and a little luck.

 

[Escarabajo]

We are not talking about the same rider who defeated Cancellara in the TT in 2009.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

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We are not talking about the same rider who defeated Cancellara in the TT in 2009.

somehow some people seem to think that he was better in the 11 giro

 

[Cookster15]

Well if AC attacks a long way from the finish on Aitana then I for one hope Chaves is able to stay with him. In that case Froome could even miss out on the podium. Unlikely yes but would make for huge excitement.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Bummer about the TTT. He'd be in second with a much better - but still outside - shot at overhauling Quintana with a strong ITT and a little luck.

Yep, super unlucky

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Plus the crash. People are acting like he is toast and should retire immediately. The reality is he lost a minute in the TTT, suffered a crash, had to recover from a couple Tour crashes, and is STILL barely behind Froome and Chavez. I for one am impressed and even more of a fan every day.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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We are not talking about the same rider who defeated Cancellara in the TT in 2009.

somehow some people seem to think that he was better in the 11 giro

Pretty equal I'd say, we didn't really get to see that much in 2009. 2 weeks of snoozing and then, bam, Verbier - race over in 20 minutes.

I really like the little relationship him and Quintana seems to develop, an alliance in the moment. I don't think Quintana is fond of Froome, but he respects him - I think Contador probably does that as well, but he dislikes him more than Quintana does. After seeing how everything panned out on stage 15, I have an assumption Contador was pretty amused; its the only time such an attack have even remotely succeeded against Sky and Froome. Not to mention Froome won't do the double.. possibly a little plus in Contador's book as well. #QuererEsPoder. A motto that has grown on me and I use daily. Altho I would be very surprised to see Contador attack all out on Saturday - he will probably try a little before Aitana, but not anything more once he realises its pretty dumb and is risking his podium place, 99%.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Plus the crash. People are acting like he is toast and should retire immediately. The reality is he lost a minute in the TTT, suffered a crash, had to recover from a couple Tour crashes, and is STILL barely behind Froome and Chavez. I for one am impressed and even more of a fan every day.

I agree. Of course many of us really wanted and expected him to take the win here, so it's a little disappointing, but considering the circumstances he is by no means doing badly.

 

[Forever The Best]

What a legend he is.He exploded the race on stage 15.Hoping that he wins the whole race but not gonna happen

 

[jilbiker]

No bandage on the leg today and he was riding strong. Could we see an alien ITT? I won't say no to that. Do an Indurian like ITT where he would win by 2-3minutes. That could make saturday a very nervous day for a whole lot of people....

 

[Valv.Piti]

He was still hurting like a dog, but this was the first time he attacked, recovered, managed his effort. Question is why this only happened so deep into the race. I was pretty sure he was going to be just fine after his showing in Burgos, especially considering he was going up against Quintana and Froome from the Tour and the only other with a reasonable shot to challenge him was Chaves. It reminded me of Froome back in 2014 - on paper, he should be better than Contador, like Contador should've been better than Quintana and Froome in 2016 and like Froome, he seemed undercooked going in and only found his form at the end. Obviously, the crash in the Vuelta didn't help, but after his crash he looked better in Camperona (2nd best), got st. in Naranco and managed his effort like an amateur on Covadonga, so I think it's fair so say that really didn't play a big role. On stage 11, according to the team, he was back at 100% again which explained why they believed so much in him at Cabarga and chased the break.

 

[jens_attacks]

i hope alberto is just putting nairo in a false sense of security and destroys him in these last stages

sadly, movistar is uber strong...

 

[MacBAir]

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i hope alberto is just putting nairo in a false sense of security and destroys him in these last stages

sadly, movistar is uber strong...

Me too. Hopefully he is lying to him or trying to fool him. Is there any descent where it could be a group of the top4, no movistar, and Alberto goes all Savoldelli?

 

[Singer01]

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i hope alberto is just putting nairo in a false sense of security and destroys him in these last stages

sadly, movistar is uber strong...

Me too. Hopefully he is lying to him or trying to fool him. Is there any descent where it could be a group of the top4, no movistar, and Alberto goes all Savoldelli?

Alberto 'falls off his bike on a regular basis' Contador, doing a Savoldelli? What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Miburo]

Contador lost Froome the vuelta in a descent mate.