Froome is not going to fade as much as we would like I'm afraid... he is in monster form, better than in Tour. Maybe he will not dominate in last week, but he won't lose the 3 odd minutes either to any of the meaningful competitors.
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Matteo. said:rick james said:eh cause this 2012 froome not 2016 froomeMatteo. said:HelloDolly said:Froome will fade ...the question is can Contador not fade ?
I also think Chaves will fade on the longer climbs .....so hard to see who can beat Froome
I suppose Contdor can try ....Nibali is key if he can get better by week 2
Why should Froome fade? Last year he didn't
With all the short climbs that we are getting to reach, nibali can lose some minutes
Ahahah. And why not the 2011.
2014? Noi, it's better the beginning 2015
All' this debate is meaningless
bambino said:Froome is not going to fade as much as we would like I'm afraid... he is in monster form, better than in Tour. Maybe he will not dominate in last week, but he won't lose the 3 odd minutes either to any of the meaningful competitors.
+ 1Climber123 said:Impressed with Alberto today, this is like his spring form. Not sure he can win it from here, but a podium is on for sure. Mostly because of his time trial, which is second only to Froome if on form. It was magnificent to watch him duel it out with Froome et al. Just like old times...
Matteo. said:rick james said:eh cause this 2012 froome not 2016 froomeMatteo. said:HelloDolly said:Froome will fade ...the question is can Contador not fade ?
I also think Chaves will fade on the longer climbs .....so hard to see who can beat Froome
I suppose Contdor can try ....Nibali is key if he can get better by week 2
Why should Froome fade? Last year he didn't
With all the short climbs that we are getting to reach, nibali can lose some minutes
Ahahah. And why not the 2011.
2014? Noi, it's better the beginning 2015
All' this debate is meaningless
...although he does tend to run out ofstamina/endurance on the longer climbs - doesn't he?Ariane said:+ 1Climber123 said:Impressed with Alberto today, this is like his spring form. Not sure he can win it from here, but a podium is on for sure. Mostly because of his time trial, which is second only to Froome if on form. It was magnificent to watch him duel it out with Froome et al. Just like old times...
Matteo. said:Debates are based on evidence, facts, clues. Not on unlikely comparisons without a minimum of evidence. Anyway after 2 climbing stages I do not understand how to make such definitive judgments
Ps: in 2012 he was not the strongest before fading, and he never came in front of everyone
gunara said:bambino said:Froome is not going to fade as much as we would like I'm afraid... he is in monster form, better than in Tour. Maybe he will not dominate in last week, but he won't lose the 3 odd minutes either to any of the meaningful competitors.
Froome in monster form should drop anyone anywhere whenever he tries, shouldn't he? Or is it 2013/2015 Froome? Maybe Tour Froome was so bad he looks really good now, but he won that one. Maybe Froome is always at this level in the Vuelta, it's his rivals' forms who made the difference to his results. Maybe guessing and comparing forms in the Vuelta is a crazy game.
My excuse? What do you mean?HelloDolly said:Matteo. said:Debates are based on evidence, facts, clues. Not on unlikely comparisons without a minimum of evidence. Anyway after 2 climbing stages I do not understand how to make such definitive judgments
Ps: in 2012 he was not the strongest before fading, and he never came in front of everyone
Gosh you better stay off here then ...and not post yourself
This forum is full of hype and bias ...very little evidence
but when I say this I am told i am spoiling the fun !! what is your excuse
Ariane said:...although he does tend to run out ofstamina/endurance on the longer climbs - doesn't he?Ariane said:+ 1Climber123 said:Impressed with Alberto today, this is like his spring form. Not sure he can win it from here, but a podium is on for sure. Mostly because of his time trial, which is second only to Froome if on form. It was magnificent to watch him duel it out with Froome et al. Just like old times...
bambino said:gunara said:bambino said:Froome is not going to fade as much as we would like I'm afraid... he is in monster form, better than in Tour. Maybe he will not dominate in last week, but he won't lose the 3 odd minutes either to any of the meaningful competitors.
Froome in monster form should drop anyone anywhere whenever he tries, shouldn't he? Or is it 2013/2015 Froome? Maybe Tour Froome was so bad he looks really good now, but he won that one. Maybe Froome is always at this level in the Vuelta, it's his rivals' forms who made the difference to his results. Maybe guessing and comparing forms in the Vuelta is a crazy game.
Nah not really, although he was very close to do that in Stage 3 wasn't he? Only Chaves without any real racing fatique could follow.
Remember todays climb wasn't really well suited for Froome if you look his history. Still he was the deciding factor to split the main favorites apart. Look and compare to the ones that could follow him in TDF (i.e Bardet).
He will probably fade a little, but by the end of muritos, he will have par 3 minutes to everyone counting the likely ITT results. He will never fade that much.
Berto is heading for possible podium if he can keep the stamina also in 15 km tough climbs to come.
Climber123 said:Froome will win this one for sure, but Alberto could win hearts and a place on the podium. Vamos!
Blanco said:Climber123 said:Froome will win this one for sure, but Alberto could win hearts and a place on the podium. Vamos!
Alberto won hearts long time ago..
Climber123 said:Blanco said:Climber123 said:Froome will win this one for sure, but Alberto could win hearts and a place on the podium. Vamos!
Alberto won hearts long time ago..
More hearts
He was 37th on stage 3. He finished more than a minute behind Nelson Oliveira.Valv.Piti said:Not unexpected he would do a lot better, especially on an easier, one-effort stage. He will probably do the same on Cati and Sol and sneak into the top-10 going in the 2nd week at some time, but it remains to be seen what his level is on harder stages where Sky goes gas. There is lots of stages this year where he cracked hard after a hard day and lost a bunch of time in a very, very short time - the Dauphine stage, Chat, Peyragudes and 2 days ago altho that admittedly was a much easier stage than those 3 hard stages. Still Rabassa was raced pretty hard according to many riders.
I think he lost 2'40" or something, the rest he lost in the downhill and run in to the finish.Valv.Piti said:I know, I know. Still, I think he lost like 3-4 minutes on 5 kilometres on Chat. 2 minutes on 3 kilometres on Peyragudes etc. It has happened for him regularly this year is all I try to say.